I'm not so sure it was scummy per se, I just think it was poorly thought out; it's not like they weren't paying them anything, and I don't think it's obvious how much signatures sales was going to net for each caster. I'm glad they were persuaded to rectify their mistake though.
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I'm not so sure it was scummy per se, I just think it was poorly thought out; it's not like they weren't paying them anything, and I don't think it's obvious how much signatures sales was going to net for each caster. I'm glad they were persuaded to rectify their mistake though.
You are reacting from a biased statement from James as well as a statement from Gabe who I don't believe has made any negative comment about others till now. I'm sure you are missing a bit from this story.
i think it is totally scummy. its like paying waitstaff entirely in tips. it is a zero risk pay structure for valve and that is totally disrespectful to their talent.
Man if you don't think that's scummy, apply that payment method to any job you've ever done.
Is the stream down again?
edit: http://www.twitch.tv/dotamajorru for the game.
I was watching a movie the other night that had this quote, You can either do good or you can do well. James seems to have gone to bat for pay and production issues. Others just kept their mouths shut and are doing well. Once you take these stances your colorful jokes are going to be a reason for someone else to do well.
Heavy's Sandvich
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that's really deep man.
call_kotaku
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paying talent in signatures seems like such a Valve thing, crowdsourcing something in the most tone-deaf and half-assed way possible.
They probably believed that everyone would've made way more money, but it's just completely out of touch with how DOTA casters actually work. It's like the secret prequel to skyrim mods.
They probably believed that everyone would've made way more money, but it's just completely out of touch with how DOTA casters actually work. It's like the secret prequel to skyrim mods.
Yea Valve probably thought they were doing them a favor and regardless of how much they ended up getting paid it's a bad fucking look on Valves part.
Well he is an ass.
Well he is an ass.
NormalFish
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1. Gabe's response was juvenile and uninformative. Basically karma bait from a wealthy-as-fuck meme millionaire
2. The whole thing (major, James getting fired, the response, the whatever) is a mess and I'm tired of it
3. Slark fucks on spectre in a 1v1 all things being equal, what sort of amphetamines do you have to be on to think otherwise gaddayum
2. The whole thing (major, James getting fired, the response, the whatever) is a mess and I'm tired of it
3. Slark fucks on spectre in a 1v1 all things being equal, what sort of amphetamines do you have to be on to think otherwise gaddayum
Is it really a surprise to you with the shit he said in the past? Just because people dont bring it up constantly compared to the toby stuff doesnt mean they dont have an opinion on it.
Procarbine
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Look out guys it's grand orator anbokr on a rampage.
u lied to me about nuclear throne. it is worse than isaac.
Gentle Rodriguez
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This post is silly once you realize who said this quote in what show: https://youtu.be/LoE8ZgzaX7A
The thing I don't get is why did Valve not inform James with simple instructions like, from now on can you please make it PG13 safe but then again that includes words like shit, bitch, asshole and a one time fuck? so I guess it should be PG/U or be like Purge.
The communication levels is absolutely absurd and I blame you Americans for this, us British are always evil in your eyes. You just don't understand our ways and culture.
I would love to see Valve give the host to Purge.
When you do that with hosts, and when you do things like that about a man like James Hard... I've kept really quiet but I'll tell you something, Gabe went down in my estimations when he said that. James did not resorted to that.
And I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if we get Purge. Love it.
The communication levels is absolutely absurd and I blame you Americans for this, us British are always evil in your eyes. You just don't understand our ways and culture.
I would love to see Valve give the host to Purge.
When you do that with hosts, and when you do things like that about a man like James Hard... I've kept really quiet but I'll tell you something, Gabe went down in my estimations when he said that. James did not resorted to that.
And I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if we get Purge. Love it.
normalfish, questionable taste? shurly no???
call_kotaku
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because the structure at Valve is "everyone is equal, except Gabe". A lot of people had a lot of different ideas of what DOTA esports looks like, and there was a lot of tolerance for James's antics because he had a lot of supporters in the company (like Bruno) and Gabe wasn't really involved. Once Gabe saw the stream and was like "what is this shit" he shut that shit down.
I just wonder how many times stupid drama is going to erupt out of Valve before they decide to hire a god damned community manager. The only time we ever hear from anybody at that company is when they are putting out fires.
Wok
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If Gabe did not speak, Perfect World would have taken the Reddit hits.
Bubbavelli
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Yeah that tidbit about the rape case is a bit... odd
do you really think that gabe watch dota 2 streams? lmao
i'm pretty sure it was just some guys complaining to him all the time about 2gd, including that ali guy, and since he probably doesn't want to deal with this shit he just fired him, it was the easier thing to do.
MurkyZebra2417
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My OG vs Alliance dream Grand Finale can still happen! Both looked strong!
Please
Please
Monochromaticx
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purge joins #TeamValve wohoo!
Pureauthor
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Also, while we're on the subject, smh at the Chinese teams getting their clocks cleaned on their home turf.
Bokr when you have liquid of all people taking your side you gotta know that you're wrong right?
And of course James was incorrect/lying about the payment stuff in his manifesto. It's the same reason he threw in the shit about his family member's rape case. To try and get sympathy from the community and show how great of a guy he actually is by looking out for people when everyone knows that he's just a shit heel who sometimes says funny things.
James was never as crass and obnoxious at the other events he hosted as he was at this major. When icefrog/whomever else said to be yourself I imagine that's what they were going off of.
I'm one of the people that want esports to be taken seriously by the general public so I like more of a professional cast but I can understand why people like to see James because he does a good job of making down time not seem so long. The problem is that he lost any bit of professionalism he had before this time around and took his jokes too far.
And of course James was incorrect/lying about the payment stuff in his manifesto. It's the same reason he threw in the shit about his family member's rape case. To try and get sympathy from the community and show how great of a guy he actually is by looking out for people when everyone knows that he's just a shit heel who sometimes says funny things.
James was never as crass and obnoxious at the other events he hosted as he was at this major. When icefrog/whomever else said to be yourself I imagine that's what they were going off of.
I'm one of the people that want esports to be taken seriously by the general public so I like more of a professional cast but I can understand why people like to see James because he does a good job of making down time not seem so long. The problem is that he lost any bit of professionalism he had before this time around and took his jokes too far.
LOL, I saw it in a cheesy action movie MI5, with Jon Snow. Anyway it seems like James is an asshole and got a few things done. Not surprised, because it today's business environment it is hard to be an asshole. Even though a lot of times things get better because there is an asshole around.
One other thing is that $12k figure is interesting. That along with the details on the autograph deal really make me think valve should look at the talent that directly communicates with the community. It also makes sense why we don't get better casters and panels sometimes.
Monochromaticx
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seriously what a shitty performance. especially vg.
What's the point of saying this? Fuck off.
Just that pretty much every post you've ever made in this thread has been incorrect. That's all.
call_kotaku
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gaben saved us from this drama, like how he saved gaming
misses bull
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Ur od is shit
ur fave hero is dumpster tier poor u
Imp the Dimp
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No r/Dota whine post will ever beat this CSGO Revolver drama post:
ROOOOOFFFFFFLLL
Single worst post in the history of the internet.
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ROOOOOFFFFFFLLL
Single worst post in the history of the internet.
signed up if it's not too late
So my agreeing with James in this case invalidates the opinion of the dozens of his peers and colleagues that have spoken in his favor? My, what power I hold! If I flip sides, denounce James and place Gaben's pecker in my mouth, does that make you wrong then? That might be worth my time, actually since I don't have any real investment in this drama aside from being bummed at missing out on what would have continued to be a fun panel amidst this garbage bin of a tournament.
Ghost is Bad
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why cant we all get along
like in the league of legends ot :^)
like in the league of legends ot :^)
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