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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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Not sure who you're directing it at yet since Kagari's group is progressing through Final Coil, and my group is about to make a concerted effort. It's about the long term push, not the short term.Not directed at you, Watson
It's incredibly low on my list of priorities, to be sure. The head/hands/feet/bow are way above that thing in priority order. It's much less likely that I'll necessarily -need- the i120 chest by the time my group is knocking at t13's door, but I also intend to purchase it for vanity once my important purchases are done. So I'll likely have it sitting around anyway.
Noted. Thank you for keeping me grounded, Stalkhawk.
Eh, people are free to blow their money however they see fit, I suppose.
tiggerkiddo
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It's a shame the allagan leather doesn't appear much as the other mats...
I said that a page ago bruh
Wouldn't it completely be about the short term? It's a little stop gap until more 120 and 130 pieces are slotted in which is going to happen consistently over time. Once you have a lot of slots in the 120 poetics stuff it's no longer a huge deal that you went out of your way to make a pentamelded HQ chest. Someone who just stayed in their HA or unweathered chest will have slightly less DPS than you but you'd both be well above what is required for FCoB. It only a few weeks before people are seeing the same gains from purchased gear and less if you luck out on drops too.
Yup, no disagreement there, I'm just commenting it's a waste in my opinion.
tiggerkiddo
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Be like Drama and hoard it all
Economy in this game is stupid thanks to them doing nothing to gil sellers. So the responsible thing to do is know what you can price gouge on and take in infinite gils then just spend on whatever.
Buy me fishing things!
HylianScribe
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I'm trying to figure out what to spend my Poetics on this week for my SCH. I've only glanced around a bit, and saw sadly the healer poetics chest is WHM...and I really wanted it since it looks awesome. Just as a caveat, anything with CRIT I lump in as SCH, anything with DET I lump in with WHM. Feel free to disagree with my assessment since I'm terrible with stats and what you should get, I end up asking people what I should be using and go from there.
Head is SCH, Chest is WHM, Gloves are WHM, Belt is SCH, Pants are WHM, and Boots are SCH. Bracelet is both (probably BiS), Choker is fine for either (but PIE/SS), Earrings are in the same boat (PIE/SS), and Ring is WHM.
So I can select from Head, Belt, Boots, Bracelet, Choker, and Earrings. I have the Shiva bracelet already, too, but that seems like it's better suited for WHM until they decide to replace it with the poetics one.
And though it's not happening for like 2 months at least, when I get the SCH book it at least isn't going to be garbage like Book of Diamonds. Thanks for the +33 Crit YoshiP.
EDIT: Also, if I were to do Penta-melded gear, what would I want to meld to each one (for SCH). Just curious.
Head is SCH, Chest is WHM, Gloves are WHM, Belt is SCH, Pants are WHM, and Boots are SCH. Bracelet is both (probably BiS), Choker is fine for either (but PIE/SS), Earrings are in the same boat (PIE/SS), and Ring is WHM.
So I can select from Head, Belt, Boots, Bracelet, Choker, and Earrings. I have the Shiva bracelet already, too, but that seems like it's better suited for WHM until they decide to replace it with the poetics one.
And though it's not happening for like 2 months at least, when I get the SCH book it at least isn't going to be garbage like Book of Diamonds. Thanks for the +33 Crit YoshiP.
EDIT: Also, if I were to do Penta-melded gear, what would I want to meld to each one (for SCH). Just curious.
The best way to make gil these days is to make other people craft stuff for you, pretending you're going to be using those items, and instead flip those items on the market board. If the tip does not even cover the discount the crafter provided on some of the materials, even better.
Get to 50 before next Thursday and I can probably make you the fisher AF set. But I probably already have all the mats, so alas not a gil sink.
Oh god did I commit some weird social faux pas sticking my NQ slops up on the MB
Want to craft some stuff for me for no tip?
Only if you don't mind the stuff being lined with Eorzean ricin.
EndcatOmega
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Deal!
I'd imagine that wouldn't lower the price that much with the way people are willing to throw gil at some of this stuff so deal!
I think he meant why didn't you use your upgrade item on the shield. Don't know how this answers that question.
TastyOreoFriend
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So I've got my Drg to almost lvl50 and I'm wondering how they're viewed at endgame. Spamming fates in the highlands i seem to be getting my ass beat quite a lot cause i always wind up at the top of the hate list after doing 2 or 3 rotations. Am I doing something wrong? Its beginning to happen in normal dungeons as well. I'm making full use of keen flurry, second wind and blood bath. I fear i might be pissing off my healers at this rate. Its caused me to slow down or potentially stop my melee rotation for fear of pissing someone off. Am i doing it right gaf?
irfaanator
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if you're not waiting for the tanks it's your fault, otherwise it's the tank's fault for not getting intial aggro. As in terms of endgame content, they're alright but not as good as monk or ninja
Devilgunman
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Look like this might be BRD BiS for 2.4 (without Dreadwyrm Longbow)
Augmented Ironworks Magitek Bow
Dreadwyrm Chapeau Of Aiming - T??
Augmented Ironworks Corselet Of Aiming
Dreadwyrm Bracers Of Aiming - T10
Dreadwyrm Sash Of Aiming - T10
Dreadwyrm Breeches Of Aiming (Godly) - T12
Augmented Ironworks Leg Guards Of Aiming (Godly)
Dreadwyrm Choker Of Aiming - T11
Augmented Ironworks Earrings Of Aiming
Dreadwyrm Bracelet Of Aiming
Augmented Ironworks Ring Of Aiming (Godly)
Ironworks Ring Of Aiming***
Dex-659
Acc-564
Cri-488
Det-263
SS-498
Vit-518
***Dreadwyrm Ring Of Aiming is teribad. I think it's better to keep using Ironworks Ring until a better ring comes out in the future.
Ironworks Gear Priority
1. Get Ironworks Leg Guards Of Aiming first no question.
2.*** Ironworks Corselet Of Aiming. DW Tabard is shit. If you only have HA Coat or HA Breeches, HA Coat + Ironworks Brais or HA Breeches + Ironworks Corselet are great combination for farming T12 until Dreadwyrm Breeches drops.
3. Ironworks Ring Of Aiming. Best end game ring for BRD atm.
4. Ironworks Earrings
Augmented Ironworks Magitek Bow
Dreadwyrm Chapeau Of Aiming - T??
Augmented Ironworks Corselet Of Aiming
Dreadwyrm Bracers Of Aiming - T10
Dreadwyrm Sash Of Aiming - T10
Dreadwyrm Breeches Of Aiming (Godly) - T12
Augmented Ironworks Leg Guards Of Aiming (Godly)
Dreadwyrm Choker Of Aiming - T11
Augmented Ironworks Earrings Of Aiming
Dreadwyrm Bracelet Of Aiming
Augmented Ironworks Ring Of Aiming (Godly)
Ironworks Ring Of Aiming***
Dex-659
Acc-564
Cri-488
Det-263
SS-498
Vit-518
***Dreadwyrm Ring Of Aiming is teribad. I think it's better to keep using Ironworks Ring until a better ring comes out in the future.
Ironworks Gear Priority
1. Get Ironworks Leg Guards Of Aiming first no question.
2.*** Ironworks Corselet Of Aiming. DW Tabard is shit. If you only have HA Coat or HA Breeches, HA Coat + Ironworks Brais or HA Breeches + Ironworks Corselet are great combination for farming T12 until Dreadwyrm Breeches drops.
3. Ironworks Ring Of Aiming. Best end game ring for BRD atm.
4. Ironworks Earrings
TastyOreoFriend
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Well thats the thing. I am waiting for the tanks. I can't think of anything else i can do. Im not entirely familiar with endgame hate tools for tanks, seeing how my war is only 19, im just trying to find a way to make sure this isn't a common occurrence for me so i dont look like another idiot Drg.
So long as you're not racing the tank's shield lob/tomahawk to the enemy on the first shot you're golden. If you're already engaged for a while and you rip hate, well shit that happens sometimes on trash. Hopefully the tank is there to back you up before you get wailed on too hard. Bosses/raids are never really anything like DF roulettes.
Pellegri Testament
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Way off there
, far too much acc also. No one should be using the HA chest either when the Auroral shits all over it. The Ironworks earrings are also terrible due to having SS over det.Without any t13 items the list should be:
Wep - Augmented Ironworks
Helm - Augmented Ironworks
Chest - Augmented Ironworks
Gloves - Augmented Ironworks
Legs - Dreadwyrm
Feet - Augmented Ironworks
Neck - Augmented Ironworks
Earrings - Dreadwyrm
Bracelet - Dreadwyrm
Rings - Ironworks/Augmented
Food - Apkallu Omelette
Dex - 659
Acc - 538
Crit - 528
Det - 318
SS - 439
Your list focuses far too much on acc and SS which are wasted stats beyond 535 acc or so(behind attacks for t13). It also loses quite a bit of det/crit for SS which is a wasted stat no matter what gear you have. This on the other hand priotizes crit and det over all else while still being acc capped in the end. It also minimizes SS to the point where it's not on anything other than what you absolutely need.
The best ironworks items are basically: head, arms, feet, choker and ring. Everything else - especially the chest - is pretty bland.
Devilgunman
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Way off there
Without any t13 items the list should be:
Wep - Augmented Ironworks
Helm - Augmented Ironworks
Chest - Augmented Ironworks
Gloves - Augmented Ironworks
Legs - Dreadwyrm
Feet - Augmented Ironworks
Neck - Augmented Ironworks
Earrings - Dreadwyrm
Bracelet - Dreadwyrm
Rings - Ironworks/Augmented
Food - Apkallu Omelette
Dex - 659
Acc - 538
Crit - 528
Det - 318
SS - 439
Is 535 already enough for T13? T10 already requires 513 for BRD so I thought T13 would be much higher. I have seen many debates concerning det vs SS for BRD and looking at how the new gears put so much stack on to SS I would imagine it will be useful if high enough.
Azzurri
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Is that every Theme Park MMO? lol
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Something I rather appreciate this time around, is that all the dreadwyrm and Ironworks tank pieces are, pretty decent.
All the parry/accuracy pieces, are essentially pieces of main tank gear. It's not at all sexy, but it helps learn a fight, and occasionally prevents damage spikes.
Then you have a lot of tank pieces with DPS stats on them, which is excellent for Off Tanks. For Ops, getting firm hate quickly can be the primary difference between a success and a wipe, and if your stacking nothing but parry and accuracy getting quick firm hate can be more difficult.
Took me awhile to learn this, kept taking my gearing advice from main tanks.
So, yeah, it looks like almost every piece of 130 tanking gear is going to worth collecting and holding onto this time around.
..... RIP in peace, armory chest. D:
All the parry/accuracy pieces, are essentially pieces of main tank gear. It's not at all sexy, but it helps learn a fight, and occasionally prevents damage spikes.
Then you have a lot of tank pieces with DPS stats on them, which is excellent for Off Tanks. For Ops, getting firm hate quickly can be the primary difference between a success and a wipe, and if your stacking nothing but parry and accuracy getting quick firm hate can be more difficult.
Took me awhile to learn this, kept taking my gearing advice from main tanks.
So, yeah, it looks like almost every piece of 130 tanking gear is going to worth collecting and holding onto this time around.
..... RIP in peace, armory chest. D:
I actually really like the Dreadwyrm Bard chest for vanity. Ironworks so boring and it's all anyone will be wearing eventually.
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TastyOreoFriend
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Ok, cause I have a friend whos psyching me out because Drgs die a lot and have low magic defense. Makes me nervous to do endgame as DRG lol
lolDRG is a joke that will never die.
Just try not to be too big of a lolDRG, every melee gets shit on in this game.
I'm doing T10 with 495 and not missing.
Pellegri Testament
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Only info I have really seen for t13 is that 560 is enough to never miss from the front, frontal attacks have always been 20-25 acc higher than back attacks when it comes to having 100% hit chance(aka you should be attempting to hit from the back as much as possible). The reason why the first groups to clear t13 have so much acc, is because they didn't want to have any chance to miss at all and they were going in blind when it came to what exactly they needed for it.
As for SS vs Det, det has always been weighted as 3x higher than SS, same with crit. No gear is going to have that much more SS than either of those stats to make it a worthwhile stat over the other 2. Also just because SS is on so much of our gear, doesn't mean it's a viable stat. It's viable in the form of, you're going to run out of tp far faster and have to stay in song longer because you can't stop running out of tp, which gimps our dmg. It's kind of like saying that SS must be good for summoners too because it's on literally everything for them, when in reality it's a joke of a stat that barely benefits them when compared to anything else.
Fair enough point. I suppose I was looking at the 8 weeks to get all the Poetics gear you'd need as a long term investment, since that's 8 weeks of coil to do. Seems like a long time, but in actuality it isn't really, I suppose.
No way, man.
This is still different than the gear I had reasoned out and pieced together.Way off there
This. This is basically my BiS list as well. All things considered the numbers you're looking at (ideal situation with Dread Bow and Chest)
Dex - 661 / Acc - 497 / Crit - 527 / Det - 360 / SS - 396
Acc is compensated by that stupid high Det, so you can throw on Lava Toad Legs to get up around 520 if needed. Odds are coil accuracy is gonna end up being a bit higher than that, maybe, so you can adjust pieces as needed. Like, for example, picking up the Ironworks pants over the Dread pants. Slots in +17 Acc +33 SS and -47 Crit, which hurts the most. However, if you need to hit that accuracy, it's a relatively easy choice to make. That, or going with Dread choker instead for +7 acc and 15 SS instead of 15 Det. You could always slot the Dread gloves in over the Ironworks ones, and I would shed a tear over such good dps stats going to waste.
There are options, but it's all dependent on what the acc cap for t13 turns out to be for Bardo.
Azzurri
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You can't call FFXI a traditional Theme Park tho, it's nothing like FFXIV in a lot of its mechanics.
Although I'm going to retire my DRG as soon as I find a DPS class I like better, I really hope the class shines after the expansion.
There's a lot to like about the class. Nice lore behind it, jumps as distance closers are a ton of fun, and a lot of their armor sets look sweet.
They just, you know, need enough Magic defense to make AoEs less terrifying, and need a slight boost to make passable DPS a bit easier to manage.
(note: from what I've seen, master DRG can get into roughly the same range as Monk DPS, it's just really hard to do so apparently.)
But yeah, hope the class gets some tweaks in the expansion. It'd be a good time to do it.
There's a lot to like about the class. Nice lore behind it, jumps as distance closers are a ton of fun, and a lot of their armor sets look sweet.
They just, you know, need enough Magic defense to make AoEs less terrifying, and need a slight boost to make passable DPS a bit easier to manage.
(note: from what I've seen, master DRG can get into roughly the same range as Monk DPS, it's just really hard to do so apparently.)
But yeah, hope the class gets some tweaks in the expansion. It'd be a good time to do it.
I agree, thus the need for the new HOW TO
I'm a big proponent of DRG dps, but let's not get carried away. before 2.4, DRG don't come close to MNK.
TastyOreoFriend
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How close can you get though? I'm hoping to be respectable enough to justify my place in the party.
And that 8 weeks is also assuming you get no drops from third coil at all. It's less when you start prioritizing replacing the only remaining 110 stuff. The only bard I know who never gets any drops from coil is Skoje.
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