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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale

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IvorB

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If you are level 50 then you have all of those abilities. Manawall and Manaward should be on your bar and easily clickable at any time, they can save run from a terrible tank.

Edit: I might have mis-read what you said. Don't mind me if I did. I can read what I quoted in two different ways.

Oh I have them. When I say I need them I mean I need to use them. I use all of them quite a bit. :)
 

Xux

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Ugh, two more tomestones and no other upgrade stuff from Syrcus. I need to figure how to roll more than 50 on stuff.
 
The five skills I currently have crossclassed are Internal Release, Second Wind, Invigorate, Blood for Blood, and Mantra.

Internal Release, Second Wind, and Invigorate are must haves. Blood for Blood is super important, I feel, for DPS to have because it's another straight up damage boost. In terms of cross class slots, why not use one on it? Mantra is a whatever choice, since the 5% healing is pretty laughable but whatever.


Think about it this way: You already level Lancer to like 22/24 or so for Invigorate. What's another ten levels for Blood for Blood?

Ah okay!! Thank you so much for being so helpful!! :)
 
Watching Prey laugh off my adlo'd targets made for a sad raid night for me.

Sounds like you forgot to turn off Cleric, I had that happen once, apparently didn't queue correctly, well turns out, it doesn't work well. Other thing that happens is someone standing in an aoe, the bubble won't pop necessarily if you crit, but the value on the absorb is too low. As a backup generally the WHM should be stoneskinning people during the transition and as much as he can to have pretty much everyone but the tanks stoneskinned in advance. This way even if you mess up an adlo, it doesn't pop.
 

Keyouta

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I'm playing this on a laptop with integrated and discrete graphics. I want to play it with the discrete, When I launch it with integrated I'm able to play, the client is fully updated. But when I launch it with discrete, it is asking me to install the client updates. How do I get around this?
 

Tabris

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Well the logic is that we wouldn't have even seen enrage start if people didn't start panicking around the fifth akh morn and failing to execute mechanics we've been doing for the last 13 minutes. It's not like "Oh no, we're hitting enrage, better scramble and put out all the dps, oh wait I got megaflared while trying to do that", it's more like "We died and now we lack the 20-30k damage and now enrage is starting and that's gg folks".

I guess by a strict definition we did hit enrage.

The counter to that argument is, if you are doing more DPS, then you have more tolerance for mistakes on mechanics.
 

dark_chris

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Had a run with a newbie tank today. told them not to always use the maim combo as a primary cause you need to gain hate from the enemy.
Didn't know what hate is and explained it.
The newbie was very thankful for the explanations. =)
I really enjoy helping new peoples.
 

Tabris

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Gotta tank those sins stacked together.

Yeah, that should help DPS via shadow flares and dot spreads. I'll be doing that next run. Also need to get 3rd Sin next to Storm. Videos I was watching before, to base our strat on, they didn't bother stacking the sins, but they were killing them faster, so they didn't need it like we do right now. Main issue is we need to clean up dive bombs though.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Yeah, that should help DPS via shadow flares and dot spreads. I'll be doing that next run. Also need to get 3rd Sin next to Storm. Videos I was watching before, to base our strat on, they didn't bother stacking the sins, but they were killing them faster, so they didn't need it like we do right now. Main issue is we need to clean up dive bombs though.
Easiest thing for dives is split into two groups of 4 and divide into right and left. Should eliminate some of the clipping damage.
 

Tash

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So yeah, RNG can go DIAF.
I say it again: at this point it's much more efficient to just fucking grind hunts and poetics and forget about coil.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
So I'm going for the Synthesize/mine/fish...etc 1,000 items trophies, I'll be buying all the shards from the MB & find a low level item to craft repeatedly, do you think 200k gil is enough?
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
So yeah, RNG can go DIAF.
I say it again: at this point it's much more efficient to just fucking grind hunts and poetics and forget about coil.

Not when most of the poetic gear for my class is garbage *-*.
That said, it is absolutely ridiculous we haven't seen a single bard item from Turn 10 3 months after killing it and continuing to do so every week. I'm pretty upset about this game's horrible loot system.
 

chrono01

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Fireweaving is using an off GCD ability(swiftcast, surecast, manawall, manaward, raging strikes, apopopopostasis etc) right after a Fire I to see if you got a Firestarter proc and hit it before casting another Fire I. This isn't particularily useful, other than on the last Fire 1 in your rotation. If it procs at that point, you're already casting Blizzard III, so you'll have to use it at the end of the mana regen rotation, with Transpose, meaning your Fire III will only get 1stack of Astral Fire damage bonus. If however you fireweave on that last Fire I, you can then hit the Fire III at 3stacks, then Blizzard III.

The gain is minimal, and if it doesn't proc, you just waste time, and a cooldown(which might or might not be relevant, depends on content). If it never procs over the course of a fight, you will do less damage than if you hadn't bothered at all. Same if it doesn't proc enough. It needs to proc several times and you need to catch the procs right away for it to be worth doing, and you're still potentially losing utility from dumping random abilities at the end of a rotation.

Out of the BLM tricks, it's probably the least useful.

This in a nutshell. Medium level BLMs will swear by the technique and while it is true that it can lead to some big DPS gains, it is all luck based (more so than BLM already is) and won't lead to anything significant overall. Super luck and this technique is how you end up with those super high DPS meters though.

This sounds intriguing but I need all of those abilities except surecast and the apopop-whatever. Maybe I'll try it out with surecast and see if there is any use to it. I guess it would need be executed super fast to have any point...
Some really good stuff here. I thought I'd weigh in on my stance on "fireweaving".

Let me get this right out of the way: I don't use Manaward/Manawall/Apocostasis/etc. for the sole purpose of fireweaving. If I do use these abilities [to deal with the mechanics of a fight] and Firestarter just happens to proc after my Fire I, that's of course ideal. However, I don't use it in my usual rotation to "hope" for a Firestarter proc.

That being said, I do still fireweave, using my Thundercloud proc. Basically, if I get a Thundercloud proc I'll wait until after a Fire I before I use it. This is to buffer the Fire I spell in-between the insta-cast Thunder III/Thundercloud, to see if a Firestarter will proc. If I have both Firestarter AND Thundercloud up at the same time, I'll use my Firestarter, then a Fire I, and THEN my Thundercloud.

I know what you're thinking. "But wait! The longer you go without using your Thundercloud proc the greater chance of another one proc'ing in its place effectively overwriting the first!" ...And you're correct in thinking so, however the odds of a Firestarter proc after a Fire I is much higher than a second Thundercloud proc, as I sometimes go through several rotations without a single Thundercloud. The chances of a second Thundercloud to proc within the 3-4 seconds of waiting to cast a Fire I before the Thundercloud is pretty unlikely. I'm not saying it can't happen [in fact, it's happened to me once or twice] but I personally feel the added benefit of using that Thundercloud to buffer Fire I spells [in the hopes for a Firestarter] to be much more valuable. I've gained many Firestarter proc's this way.
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
Yeah, that should help DPS via shadow flares and dot spreads. I'll be doing that next run. Also need to get 3rd Sin next to Storm. Videos I was watching before, to base our strat on, they didn't bother stacking the sins, but they were killing them faster, so they didn't need it like we do right now. Main issue is we need to clean up dive bombs though.

Divebombs were the relaxation time for me. There's little easier in this game than rotating the camera and getting the hell out of the way. This is just like a slightly faster Leviathan!


Phase 1 is zzzzzz
Phase 2 is actually surprisingly hard because Shadows don't screw around and flare stars are dicks.
Phase 3 is really not on healers so it's a respite
Phase 4 is weird though, it looks pretty easy and predictable on playback but then actual execution is tough as nails and you have to plan for more or less all the damage coming out

I think the best advice I can give to people struggling through the fight is to stop looking around and just do your own job and your job only. If somebody fucked up and went the wrong way it's their fault not yours!
 

Tabris

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Other than that, running to the left or right edge area first then spreading out to avoid the Storm should also help.

Yup, already doing that too. Just panic is all.

Outside of stacking sins, nothing to change unfortunately but practice. I watched our game tape and have specific points for each when dodging but it's just a practice to get rid of panic thing, everyone knows what to do.

We have 10+hrs dedicated next week to get er done.
 

CozMick

Banned
No-one runs Ultima Weapon trial?

I was sitting in the DF for 90min, tanks be joining and quitting to the point I actually thought they were trolling.
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
No-one runs Ultima Weapon trial?

I was sitting in the DF for 90min, tanks be joining and quitting to the point I actually thought they were trolling.

It's off the progression path and drops i80 accessories, so other than having fun with the best designed fight in the game, there's really not much to do there. Tanks might either be rotated between multiple duties they might've selected or dropping to go hunting.
 

Tabris

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No-one runs Ultima Weapon trial?

I was sitting in the DF for 90min, tanks be joining and quitting to the point I actually thought they were trolling.

0 point to doing Ultima HM except for clearing your first time. It's a shame as it's an excellent tool for new players to learn how to dodge. That's the big issue with the game right now, all the fights that would be perfect for new player learning curves have been invalidated or players are just carried through. So no one learns how to deal with mechanics until "oh shit this is really hard" coil mechanics. It's no wonder there are so many bad new players. It's not their fault, it's a game design issue. They need to separate players into easy, medium, and hard content (hopefully Alexander does this) and most importantly, give no reason for hard level players to do easy or medium content.

To solve your problem though, set up a PFer that says "SOLDIERY BONUS" and you'll probably get enough people.
 

WolvenOne

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Missing: One Mind, last seen tanking WoD for the hundredth odd time trying to get a Tank Coat. Answers to the NuNu, Tnak, and Scrub Bucket. If found, please do not approach, extremely dangerous if poked. May contain trace amounts of soy and gluten.
 

Tabris

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Missing: One Mind, last seen tanking WoD for the hundredth odd time trying to get a Tank Coat. Answers to the NuNu, Tnak, and Scrub Bucket. If found, please do not approach, extremely dangerous if poked.

I got it on my 2nd WoD, and got my DRG feet on my 3rd WoD. Basically done now except for weekly run + glamour pieces which I'll just randomly lot on. Feels good.

I feel bad for all the BRD's, tanks, and BLM's running for their body.
 

Qvoth

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1 method that seems to work for me when evading the storm dive on t13 (especially if it spawned on your opposite direction while evading bahamut's dive, this seems to be the hardest to evade for me) is to run diagonally towards the absolute left/right of the arena instead of running around the circular edge of the arena to evade

plenty of times i still got hit even if i moved quickly around the edge to evade, but so far haven't been hit yet with diagonal run

best case scenario you still have sprint/or still in sprint

if you're wiping at 1%, then it's best to change the timing of your cooldowns, if you used it on storm on 3rd phase you will only get 1 cd for last phase on the boss, but if you use it right at the start of the last phase you can use them twice (last phase is 4 minutes 30+ seconds i think, most cd are under 3 minutes)
and save the x-pot for last phase as well
 
That being said, I do still fireweave, using my Thundercloud proc. Basically, if I get a Thundercloud proc I'll wait until after a Fire I before I use it. This is to buffer the Fire I spell in-between the insta-cast Thunder III/Thundercloud, to see if a Firestarter will proc. If I have both Firestarter AND Thundercloud up at the same time, I'll use my Firestarter, then a Fire I, and THEN my Thundercloud.

Oh yeah I definitely do that, everyone should, but that's not really fireweaving since you have to wait a full GCD anyway, so you have plenty of time to see if you proced firestarter at that point.
 

chrono01

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Oh yeah I definitely do that, everyone should, but that's not really fireweaving since you have to wait a full GCD anyway, so you have plenty of time to see if you proced firestarter at that point.
True, but you'd be surprised how many BLM use Thundercloud before Firestarter. :(
 
you in cleric stance/b4b?

Sounds like you forgot to turn off Cleric, I had that happen once, apparently didn't queue correctly, well turns out, it doesn't work well. Other thing that happens is someone standing in an aoe, the bubble won't pop necessarily if you crit, but the value on the absorb is too low. As a backup generally the WHM should be stoneskinning people during the transition and as much as he can to have pretty much everyone but the tanks stoneskinned in advance. This way even if you mess up an adlo, it doesn't pop.

Nah, CS wasn't even on. It seemed to be a product of lag because the entire group was plagued by it. I didn't really use it since I'm still getting the hang of healing the fight.
 
Nah, CS wasn't even on. It seemed to be a product of lag because the entire group was plagued by it. I didn't really use it since I'm still getting the hang of healing the fight.

Well if it was on single prey, it must have been really bad lag cause there's ample time to get it done, even late and with a hardcast. That said, there is always lag on basically every heal, the heal will finish casting, visually heal for the amount, but only heal I don't know like .3secs later or something. This is most infuriating on tank deaths where you can see the popup for Physick 2800! Lustrate 2000! and the tank is as dead as a rock, or for WHMs when they use Benediction but the tank still dies.

This happens often with Adlo in general, where the shield applies after the hit you're trying to shield if you cast too late. Knowing in advance when the hit is coming helps a lot with that. At least for me as a euro, that's how it goes, like for Revelation I can adlo right after the cast starts and while on my screen I finish casting before Revelation ends/hits the tank, it'll generally heal the tank and shield him after the revelation hits.

Not a huge deal and haven't had an issue with single Prey though since you have like 6seconds to get Adlo off. Double prey on the other hand, even with Swiftcast on the 2nd one, it sometimes doesn't go through fast enough(though it's probably also me reacting too slow on the first cast and off GCD abilities> cast not queuing properly at times).

That said a lot of people have reported having terrible lag lately. From the sounds of it, a major router somewhere is fucked up. I remember several years ago when I was raiding in wow, I had to change ISP because Telia fucked up some crap in the Netherlands which I was routed through to the US and me and everyone else routed through that node would get unplayable lag and it lasted like 2months(I swapped after a week though). I changed ISP and didn't have a single issue after that. Changing ISP is easier over here, as we actually have choices though, from what I heard it's not an option in many places in the US. Could try using WTFast or whatever or another VPN solution to see if it fixes it.
 

Drac

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Why is it always Sastasha with low level roulette as a dps T_T ? And why was the conjurer in cleric stance the WHOLE run, never dpsing anything ? Had I not healed the tank as a thaumaturge (and doing better heal too >_>) some pulls we would have wiped multiple times. He then said he couldn't heal because he had no more mana, well no shit.
I don't rage but some people just make me sad...
 

chrono01

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