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[Tomat]

I can only imagine the players that are now used to the nerfed T6-T8 shocked at T9 even with the 10% buff. That first ravensbeak that one shot kills the tank lol.

I'm waiting for this to happen. My "problem" with the nerfs isn't so much the nerfs itself, but the people who complain about content being too hard without taking any time to try and learn their class or learn the fights. I understand not being able to find a static and not being able to do coil because of it, that really sucks. Trying to get a static together and coordinate everyone's schedules can be a nightmare. I consider myself lucky to be in my static and if it suddenly fell apart I would probably have trouble finding a new one for a little while. These nerfs are good for that in the sense that you don't need a static for some of it, save for T9 (and maybe T8? I don't know how much it was changed). It's also good for those of us who don't have all of our gear from SCoB because farming is now easier.

My main problem is the people on the OFs who complain about coil being too hard after putting in minimal effort to try and learn their classes or the fight as if they're owed a clear. They'll soon be complaining about T9, and if they do make it to FCoB they go through the same thing all over again.

 

[Frumix]

The idea that they wont learn the skills needed to pass difficult content seems questionable at best, beyond the class specific rotations and priorities the majority of difficult endgame content is so idiosyncratic that useful skill transference between them is minimal at best.

A lot of mechanics are, if not outright reused, repurposed into other scripts.
The more you see of the game the more you understand the design approach.
As a result when we first went into T10 we weren't thinking "Oh god this guy hits for 80k what do we do", we were thinking "Okay, there's damage sharing, there's standing in particular places of the arena, there's LoS, there's x, y, z, what do we try first?"
I'd say the mechanics used throughout the game connect as far as levelling dungeons but because they don't cause wipes people rarely pay attention to them. Crystal Tower seems like deliberate training grounds for Coil.

I might be giving the devs too much credit though, it's not unlikely they just slap things together out of whatever assets they already have.

 

[scy]

My main problem is the people on the OFs who complain about coil being too hard after putting in minimal effort to try and learn their classes or the fight as if they're owed a clear. They'll soon be complaining about T9, and if they do make it to FCoB they go through the same thing all over again.

Coil is too hard -> does 250 DPS

;__;

 

[Altered Juice]

man i saw that thread on the official forums and the first thing did when i saw that "casual" post saying he was glad he didn't waste his time raiding when he could have waited. i ran to the nearest shoprite and bought myself three bags of popcorn


that was funny as hell but this community man i can't.

 

[dark_chris]

man i saw that thread on the official forums and the first thing did when i saw that "casual" post saying he was glad he didn't waste his time raiding when he could have waited. i ran to the nearest shoprite and bought myself three bags of popcorn


that was funny as hell but this community man i can't.

Sounds like an idiot.
But its the fun hard work of, essentially, climbing a difficult mountain before escalators are placed there. lol.

 

[studyguy]

Coil is too hard -> does 250 DPS

;__;

Spoiler

But what if it's the healer's DPS?

 

[scy]

Spoiler

But what if it's the healer's DPS?

Too bad it's the MNK and BLM.

 

[dark_chris]

Spoiler

But what if it's the healer's DPS?

Essentially, it boils down to

Spoiler

git gud

.
=p

 

[Drac]

T7 is my new favourite thing. Went full FC and did almost no mechanics because fuck it, huge hilarities and wipes at 1% ensued. Petrifying your team-mates is now a game on its own

 

[Tabris]

Thanks to all the server garbage, the last time we got to do a full session of Final Coil.

I'm excited for today

 

[Sorian]

Thanks to all the server garbage, the last time we got to do a full session of Final Coil.

I'm excited for today

And here I am like "raiding sounds cool and all but dragon age."

 

[dark_chris]

I'm waiting for this to happen. My "problem" with the nerfs isn't so much the nerfs itself, but the people who complain about content being too hard without taking any time to try and learn their class or learn the fights. I understand not being able to find a static and not being able to do coil because of it, that really sucks. Trying to get a static together and coordinate everyone's schedules can be a nightmare. I consider myself lucky to be in my static and if it suddenly fell apart I would probably have trouble finding a new one for a little while. These nerfs are good for that in the sense that you don't need a static for some of it, save for T9 (and maybe T8? I don't know how much it was changed). It's also good for those of us who don't have all of our gear from SCoB because farming is now easier.

My main problem is the people on the OFs who complain about coil being too hard after putting in minimal effort to try and learn their classes or the fight as if they're owed a clear. They'll soon be complaining about T9, and if they do make it to FCoB they go through the same thing all over again.

I really hope it doesn't come to be and that these players take the time to learn it and such. Im glad there were boos during the stream when they were talking about nerfing probably T9 and lo-and-behold, they didnt.
People should have a grasp that T9 is gonna be difficult and take time. T5 is still hard for people and i don't hear the complaints about that still. Its at 20% echo and its been nerfed, and yet people can't pass it. It should say something there. lol. People try to DF it and its the wrong way to go. If you can find willing people (which is the hardest part), then T5 can be done easily.

 

[Kanokare]

After many weeks RNGesus finally blessed me with a good PUG for Titan EX.
I feel Ifrit EXwill be harder for me as a healer :| Dis gun b gud.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

Finally saw the stats on the HA SMN book...who thought spell speed was a good idea? I no longer want it and will hope for another amazing book like the Book of Spades.

I feel like pugging 9 some more until I feel as comfortable with it as I do T5.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Finally saw the stats on the HA SMN book...who thought spell speed was a good idea? I no longer want it and will hope for another amazing book like the Book of Spades.

I feel like pugging 9 some more until I feel as comfortable with it as I do T5.

Got some bad news for you then if you've only seen the HA summoner book. Take a look at those Ironworks and Dreadwyrm books too. Unless you are willing to always be a step behind and use the relic weapon(whichever step it's at), there will be no other books itemized like BoS until the expac. I highly doubt even Odin will have anything higher than 115 and even then the relic will be further ahead by then.

There's a reason why Summoners aren't very noteworthy when it comes to final Coil and it's not just the stats on their weapons that gimp them, it's all of their gear which is loaded with SS and acc. Take their gear combined with all the multi dotting due to target switching, mobs not able to be tanked together for bane, and their pets having to be microed to hell and back to survive any aoe and you end up with one of the least favored classes in Coil 3.

 

[Tomat]

Do Summoners get ANY benefit from spell speed at all?

 

[tiggerkiddo]

Oh I already know how badly specced those books were lol. Might just do the relic quest again for SMN if push comes to shove.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Do Summoners get ANY benefit from spell speed at all?

It affects ruin....and it let's them get dots off faster, when by now any summoner worth their salt knows when to redo their dots without clipping too much or them falling off. If it was as much of a mana drain on them as SS is for bard's tp, then I'd honestly say it's on par for most shitty stat on a class next to SS is on bards.

 

[Tomat]

Wonder why they would keep putting it on their weapons if it's that bad.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Wonder why they would keep putting it on their weapons if it's that bad.

Mainly because if everything was always perfectly itemized for everyone, then there would never be any choice when it came to gearing up. Problem is that with Summoners they seem to have taken it to the extreme this tier and just forgotten that they exist entirely when it came to gear itemization. Blms actually seem to be pretty well off since they actually like SS and can work around the all the acc pieces, summoners on the other hand either have to go with SS wasting itemization or acc, one of which is worthless beyond the cap and the other does next to nothing for their abilities.

The dread book isn't terrible in this case since it gives crit on top of the SS, they however have to deal terrible weapon itemization until then.

 

[scy]

For all the doom and gloom about the gear, I can hit the Accuracy cap with all of like 3 slots of Spell Speed. It's not ideal, especially when it comes to finding pieces to buy with Tomes early on, but it's not the end of the world.

I think the bigger problem may be all the Accuracy required.

Take their gear combined with all the multi dotting due to target switching, mobs not able to be tanked together for bane, and their pets having to be microed to hell and back to survive any aoe and you end up with one of the least favored classes in Coil 3.

The only one that is a real issue is the multi dotting as it causes MP concerns. That's our real big concern, going full burn means I hit low MP early and need Energy Drains rotated in. Thankfully, there's some hard burn phases where I can take the slight DPS hit to get an Energy Drain in for the MP spike.

That said, MNK/NIN/BRD/BLM being basically the ideal setup kind of crowds out SMN. Still, I hit 400+ on most fights so it's whatever.

 

[MKAllDay]

I'm really confused with this whole ACT program and how to initially set it up. The only thing I could find was a Reddit thread that did not go into too much detail and was pretty dated based on some of the explanations.

Anyone got some tips/a useful link for me?

 

[Sorian]

Fuck you too SE. Bunch of pieces of shit.

 

[MKAllDay]

RIP servers (at least Ultros).

 

[kiryogi]

Yup Sargatanas down

 

[Devilgunman]

wtf is this? My awesome phone internet didnt stand a chance.

 

[QisTopTier]

Yup Sargatanas down

I was in the middle of a cutscene

 

[dark_chris]

wtf is this? My awesome phone internet didnt stand a chance.

I know! D= we almost had that boss too!

 

[Pellegri Testament]

But guys, it's obviously due to heavy server load....you know at midnight on a Tuesday. That is the excuse they will give again...and again...and again.

 

[iammeiam]

Korra this downtime is probably because you decided to foresaken pony farming for coil.

I really hope it doesn't come to be and that these players take the time to learn it and such. Im glad there were boos during the stream when they were talking about nerfing probably T9 and lo-and-behold, they didnt.
People should have a grasp that T9 is gonna be difficult and take time. T5 is still hard for people and i don't hear the complaints about that still. Its at 20% echo and its been nerfed, and yet people can't pass it. It should say something there. lol. People try to DF it and its the wrong way to go. If you can find willing people (which is the hardest part), then T5 can be done easily.

I DF'd T5 forever post-echo and post-nerf to get to a point where I was comfortable joining a clear PF and getting a clear that way. It would be spectacular to do the same thing with T9, except there are so many front loaded raid wipe mechanics in the first two phases I can't expect any useful practice out of DF because the lockout will probably end right around the time we get meteor placement down. All DF is going to get me is practice on the parts I know. I can't even go in to T9 with people who know it at this point because I will wipe them based on what I haven't seen.

So I'd like gentle nerfs to some of the instakill stuff--I'm not asking for anything that sucks all challenge out of it, and I don't want a repeat of what happened to 6 and 7. I just want a chance to see more stuff without having to either find a static (impossible), live in PF forever, or admit I can't do this and take a carry.

You yourself said they nerfed T5 but it remains potentially challenging--doing something to make T9 possible-but-challenging in DF doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

[Sorian]

But guys, it's obviously due to heavy server load....you know at midnight on a Tuesday. That is the excuse they will give again...and again...and again.

"Please understand, I'm an asshole and don't actually give a shit about the english infrastructure." - Yoshida

 

[tiggerkiddo]

Servers crashed underneath the weight of all those players after the best bloody robe in the entire game: High Allagan Healing Coat.

 

[Devilgunman]

C:\Users\DevilG>tracert 199.91.189.36

Tracing route to 199.91.189.36 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.asus.com [192.168.1.1]
2 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 74.7.198.97
3 9 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.69.55.21
4 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms 192.168.91.9
5 112 ms 148 ms 6 ms 192.168.39.126
6 109 ms 28 ms 61 ms 192.168.37.113
7 290 ms 269 ms 263 ms xe-8-3-0.bar1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.78.14.29]
8 282 ms 50 ms * ae-11-11.car2.Montreal2.Level3.net [4.69.141.1]

9 * 76 ms * ae-11-11.car2.Montreal2.Level3.net [4.69.141.1]

10 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms ORMUCO-COMM.car2.Montreal2.Level3.net [4.59.178.
74]
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms 192.34.76.2
13 53 ms 51 ms 51 ms 199.91.189.234
14 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 199.91.189.36

Trace complete.

C:\Users\DevilG>

What a fucking mess.

 

[kuroshiki]

Square doesn't get the most basic thing about MMO. Server.

Wtf. All those yoship fanboys about how he listens to fans and all that bs. If he can't even do the basic server thing sorted out then what's the point?

 

[dark_chris]

wtf is this? My awesome phone internet didnt stand a chance.

I got back in. You should be able to as well.

 

[Devilgunman]

I got back in. You should be able to as well.

"The world is currently full." lol

 

[studyguy]

T7 farming is hilarious.

 

[Devilgunman]

Wow, got kicked out again...

 

[Sorian]

God forbid we be allowed to raid. I'm sure if I went and complained on the OF, I'd get a healthy ban too.

 

[kiryogi]

And down again

 

[Azzurri]

Was doing my first primal to&#128542;

 

[dark_chris]

Wow, got kicked out again...

I did too. Now im back in. @_@ ugh

 

[alternade]

Was in the middle of doing my dailies and bam kicked out. Shit sux man.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

God forbid we be allowed to raid. I'm sure if I went and complained on the OF, I'd get a healthy ban too.

Hey now that mod got his first day of work cut out for him, nothing like silencing the masses instead of dealing with the real problem they don't care to do anything about.

 

[Devilgunman]

Somewhere in Montreal.

 

[Sorian]

Somewhere in Montreal.

Please, I wish they at least had a dog looking at this problem. I'm sure everyone in japan is sipping coffee, completely oblivious.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Somewhere in Montreal.

Fucking Canadian internet man.

 

[Kagari]

This is embarrassing.

 

[dark_chris]

Somewhere in Montreal.

@_@ man. I somehow still managed to stay on. lol.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

T7 farming is hilarious.

As WHM, it feels like I'm just trying to corral the chaos going on around me and not suffer a nervous breakdown!