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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Personally, i would say don't let the demo fool you. It's a great demo for a mediocre game imo.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I'd imagine Xbox will still get it, maybe a bit later, announced at TGS as some kind of wider partnership.
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Hot5pur
Member
As someone who quit FFXV midway due to the cringe worthy story and dialogue, semi automated fighting system, and boring world in general, I feel this DMC rendition will be a better fit for me. As long as the fighting is solid, the rest can be blah as long as it's a little better than dmc5 (terrible environments, likely the lowest effort world building ever too)
Little Chicken
Member
Oh boy, you're in for a rude awakening
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BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Dont expect Dante's multiple weapons and the fun that comes in learning each of them. There is only one weapon in 16.
The difficulty is piss easy and the game turns into the same mess as XV in the normal difficulty. And you cant select the highest difficulty at first, you have to play through the game 2.5(through a 60 hour game) times to unlock Ultimaniac and you can only fight Ultimaniac enemies in Arcade Mode.
Braag
Member
On sale then lol
BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Even the demo has mixed reviews. Which is weird because its supposed to hoodwink you into thinking this is a good game.
Tarnpanzer
Member
Maybe mods can fix the difficulty.
As long as the combat system is not worse than XV I can stomach the rest of XVIs flaws.
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BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Can the mods add RPG elements? Fix the horrendous characters mediocre dialogue and story? add party members and give them memorable dialogue?
Add new costumes and the chocobo theme? add platforming? add minigames?
This game is unsalvageable.
Hot5pur
Member
Really surprised by the feedback...
Is this one those of those cases like God of War where it gets a free pass from the media but is an otherwise mediocre game with flashy visuals? I mean FFXVI has very high critic scores so there is some fuckery going on? I'd imagine it would get eviscerated if it was a bad FF game given how beloved the franchise is (but then again they ruined god of war and no one seemed to mind...)
(All my opinions, calm down Sony diehards)
Is this one those of those cases like God of War where it gets a free pass from the media but is an otherwise mediocre game with flashy visuals? I mean FFXVI has very high critic scores so there is some fuckery going on? I'd imagine it would get eviscerated if it was a bad FF game given how beloved the franchise is (but then again they ruined god of war and no one seemed to mind...)
(All my opinions, calm down Sony diehards)
asdasdasdbb
Member
Game reviewers in general don't play the entire game unless like CoD short. And I bet they typically play on the easiest difficulty too.
Final Fantasy is in general an easy game franchise since it's been westernized. I've only played the original DMC (and that was a long time ago) so I can't really compare it to FF16's difficulty.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Definitely. But its a divisive game. Some people love it. I do feel a lot of press majorly overrate the game or just are blatantly bribed like Maximillian
Kiya's Guard
Member
Is this the one that has you collecting garlic?
OGM_Madness
Member
FFXVI had a lot of compelling moments for me.
Sure, the gameplay was subpar (no JRPG elements), but I wasn’t in the mood for a high-precision/execution type of game, so I put the auto-dodge ring on and played through the story (which I enjoyed… for the most part).
The visuals and audio were really special, and I’m hoping the team gets a second chance at a full-fledged title in the future… hopefully closer to the bones of Rebirth, which was more complete as a JRPG but was mired by the fact of being the middle child of a controversial saga.
Sure, the gameplay was subpar (no JRPG elements), but I wasn’t in the mood for a high-precision/execution type of game, so I put the auto-dodge ring on and played through the story (which I enjoyed… for the most part).
The visuals and audio were really special, and I’m hoping the team gets a second chance at a full-fledged title in the future… hopefully closer to the bones of Rebirth, which was more complete as a JRPG but was mired by the fact of being the middle child of a controversial saga.
BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Its flaws are the opposite of god of war. Decent combat but with absolutely disaster world, lore and characters.
Journalists dont want to get blacklisted from early review copies by giving a poor score.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sounds like shit.
Zathalus
Member
Pros:
- combat is flashy, nice moveset
- graphics are good
- soundtrack is great
- boss battles are a treat (visually that is)
- first villain setup is fantastic
- voice acting is top notch
Cons:
- combat is easy to the point of boredom
- zero point to explore
- no endgame / postgame
- sidequests are dull
- almost everything resembling a RPG is stripped out.
- main quest is middling
How this got the scores it did is beyond me.
- combat is flashy, nice moveset
- graphics are good
- soundtrack is great
- boss battles are a treat (visually that is)
- first villain setup is fantastic
- voice acting is top notch
Cons:
- combat is easy to the point of boredom
- zero point to explore
- no endgame / postgame
- sidequests are dull
- almost everything resembling a RPG is stripped out.
- main quest is middling
How this got the scores it did is beyond me.
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Rising_Hei
Member
FFXIII was much more divisive back in the day than what FFXVI is today.
To sum it up.
FFXIII had great ideas, bad execution and writing, the combat was good but the game was barebones, it needed a truly international version with lots of upgrades to make it shine, instead, they made it a trilogy no one asked for.
FFXIII-2 fixes some of its gameplay problems, combat had great additions, but also bad ones (that bleeding system was no good, IMO), the story was a mess and they tried to pull off an "MGS 2" with Lightning.
FFXIII LR was an interesting concept, but the story is even worse and convoluted, it made me puke and I couldn't bear myself to play much of this game because of this.
FFXVI has its own flaws and problems, but the GAME is in a much better position than XIII, but FFVII Rebirth just annihilates it (this is the direction SE should take from now on).
Overall, I'm feeling like many gamers don't remember how badly regarded FFXIII was, and I've been a huge FFXIII defender.
To sum it up.
FFXIII had great ideas, bad execution and writing, the combat was good but the game was barebones, it needed a truly international version with lots of upgrades to make it shine, instead, they made it a trilogy no one asked for.
FFXIII-2 fixes some of its gameplay problems, combat had great additions, but also bad ones (that bleeding system was no good, IMO), the story was a mess and they tried to pull off an "MGS 2" with Lightning.
FFXIII LR was an interesting concept, but the story is even worse and convoluted, it made me puke and I couldn't bear myself to play much of this game because of this.
FFXVI has its own flaws and problems, but the GAME is in a much better position than XIII, but FFVII Rebirth just annihilates it (this is the direction SE should take from now on).
Overall, I'm feeling like many gamers don't remember how badly regarded FFXIII was, and I've been a huge FFXIII defender.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Guaranteed we get a mod to unlock the difficulty.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I didn't attempt it, but IIRC it's meant to be played like NG+. Any mod would have to also increase your level too.
FewRope
Member
We are in the "X is a bad FF game" 20 fucking years already
Bojji
Member
Overall I really liked, I want to replay it on PC with good framerate and IQ. I think this game leaves better impressions than that mess - FFVII Rebirth...
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BehemothBlade
Neo Member
No?
XIII and XV were still Final Fantasy.
16 rejects the fans and its heritage by imitating game of thronns.
FewRope
Member
Have you even played FF XVI?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
>Final Fantasy name
>PlayStation exclusive
There's your answer. Same game as a multiplat from a no-name dev gets 75.
omegasc
Member
only guaranteed mod for any game is a nude mod
BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Levelling dosent mean anything in 16 because every enemy scales to you.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Oh, so hard is new game plus? It's mandatory to carry your progress over when selecting it?
BehemothBlade
Neo Member
Does it have minigames?
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Absolutely loved the demo. Preordered.
A Few of my shots:
A Few of my shots:
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Looks great. I love the model work of the main cast in XVI. Especially the characters further in the game.Absolutely loved the demo. Preordered.
A Few of my shots:
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asdasdasdbb
Member
I actually just started it up and looked to remind me.
You can create a Easy or Normal NG+ but that's where you would select the "Final Fantasy" difficulty, which is the Hard.
I think the Ultimaniacs difficulty is just FF except you only have one big potion and one small max.
Nothing that's not combat related, at least from what I remember.
BehemothBlade
Neo Member
These look worse than FFXV.Absolutely loved the demo. Preordered.
A Few of my shots:
The combat related ones are QTEs.
Also ifrit mode combat system is completely different from clive's base moveset and none of the base moveset carry through, meaning everything you learned with his base meveset is moot.
DMC5 was not like that. Sin form is optional and can be turned on and off as you fight the same enemies.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Hrk69
Gold Member
Shifty1897
Member
We get it, you don't like the game. Maybe take a break from replying to every post in the thread before you get a formal warning from the mods.
I am interested in the mod situation to see what can be done regarding the game pacing. I'd love to see a mod that cuts some of the slower quests out (Looking at you, Mid).
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It's a great game imo. I have played it through on ps5. The image quality here and the performance are awesome. I might play through it again on a sale.
SkylineRKR
Member
True.
Because while this game is very easy and its hard to lose, elites and bosses can take like 15 or 30 minutes to beat. Simply because your basic melee and magic damage is non existent. You need to wait for cooldowns to deal damage, rinse repeat. Even perfect evasions don't hand out a visible damage bonus. And you can't launch these kind of enemies either, not even when they're staggered.
Another issue is that there are eikon skills that charge very slow but deal good damage, and there are ones that barely deal damage but stagger enemies fast such as the projectile reversal. They all share the same skillslots though, so you have to choose.
If the damage was greatly boosted, or enemy health was cut the game was a bit less repetitive to play at least, probably for the better.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
The full Titian fight sequence I literally had to pause and come back later it was taking so long.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Really enjoying my time with this thus far. Visuals can be inconsistent but when they hit, they really hit. No major performance complaints either (maxed out, 4K DLAA, frame-gen, ~100fps average).
Couple more shots:
Couple more shots:
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Making me wanna replay it!Really enjoying my time with this thus far. Visuals can be inconsistent but when they hit, they really hit. No major performance complaints either (maxed out, 4K DLAA, frame-gen, ~100fps average).
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Drake
Member
Re-downloaded the demo because I just read they fixed the stuttering issue in cut scenes. After playing through it a bit I can say that the performance in cut scenes is definitely better, but its far from perfect. There are still stuttering issues. I want to say its 80% better than it was though.