GnomeChimpsky
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Hey, that kind of thinking might have been acceptable for 200 000 years but we live in current era 2024 now.
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Insanemaelstrom
Member
Talking about realism, irl you don't clash swords, as they would chip and break, especially swords like katana. It is highly unrealistic to clash swords, they should remove that. Which also means removing things like parry or long drawn out duels.
Also, holding bow with the arrow drawn for seconds or even longer.
If we start removing unrealistic things, we will be left with an incredibly dull game that is the opposite of fun to play. I thought people realised this especially after how unnecessarily realistic rdr 2 was.
Toons
Member
Valk was developed as a lesbian charatr and wasn't even the first LGBT character in the game, it already had at least a Non binary character and others before that. It was known she was a lesbian from the moment the character debuted. That had nothing to do with the actress, the devs wanted that for the character.
No she isn't tho? She's been in gaming for at least a decade maybe more and most of yall never heard of her.
I only know who she isn't because she played Valk in apex. Didn't even know she was in destiny.
You guys are being pointed and directed to be riled up about something when; in actuality you've likely already played games she is in and never batted an eye.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Women of status in Japan did wield power, and did talk down to samurai, especially when they were the consort to the home. As an extension to the shogun and/or hatamoto.
Females in bushō clans were trained in self defense since birth, usually in that of a naginata, ranged weaponry or stealth tantō. The reason, to protect the families and homes from bandits and raiders. when samurai were away for war or the like.
Modern grannies kill thieves all the time, that isn't woke. I hope more G-ma's exercise their rights of self autonomy and protection, since 99% of the time, nobody is coming to save you.
And lastly, you should hear what the bushō did with their koshō (young boy servants and guards), especially away at war without any concubines around.
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Fbh
Member
Nah I don't think so. In the blog post they specifically mentioned they built it from the ground up for Ps5 and mentioned stuff like bigger draw distances and a more reactive world.
The jump in actual graphics not being that big is good IMO. Hopefully it joints games like Spiderman 2 in that it offers a decent visual upgrade over the previous one while still being able to run at 60fps with a decent resolution on a base Ps5.
I'd much rather get that than a larger graphical jump that results in terrible IQ from using FSR to upscale some 720p source.
fallingdove
Member
Trivial is definitely the word but maybe selective outrage is a more accurate description.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I can't describe just how much I don't care about this sequel after playing original game. Even female MC is not going to make me at least try it cuz I just know it's going to be the exact same borefest as in original game.
TLOU P3 can't come soon enough
TLOU P3 can't come soon enough
mitch1971
Member
My point is that people see woman they immediately say woke. Returnal had a female lead, but she wasn't treading on a male leads place; she was just a woman lead. Lara Croft was the same. No complaining from men then because she had short shorts and big tits. Returnal woman, looks 40-50, apparently ugly without big tits: eww, woke. Ratchet was still in the game; again, no treading on toes. Horizon same again, no pushing out the male. Spiderman's MJ was in the first one to give a different game play aspect (yes it was shit gameplay and broke the flow of the game for me personally). Now she's in the 2nd game as a continuation of the character, woke!
GOT, different time period, meaning Jin still exists in his time line. But now it's woke because: woman. Jin has not been replaced.
TLOU2 changes was for the story. A story people may not of agreed with, but its the story to get a girl maturing and wanted revenge. Seems people would of prefered another male replaced joel and have him battle for joes death when he had no connection to him because Man good.
Uncharted lost legacy was based on legacy characters in the game, one being the brilliant Chloe who people warmed to in the previous games. Why is it woke to use a character people liked.
When Ripley was in Alien(s) it was perfectly fine. Now, if you stick a girl in an alien game, well it's woke bullshit. I understand we are being drowned in wokeness this present day, people on the extremes are just making it worse for everyone. I'm sick of it, too, when it's blatantly obvious. But my question still remains. At what point do people stop thinking it's woke just because I designer sticks someone with tits in and not a dick in a game. Seems to me this will never stop being the case for some people.
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Toons
Member
Well then you need to realize most gamers thankfully don't have as juvenile a perspective as this, and that not every game thus needs to be made exclusively to cater to this. Becauss frankly you're going to miss a lot of great games with this mindset; and entertainment in general. Women are the majority population of your species, its well past time you get used to being able to empathize with at least some of them. Even fictional ones.
I've been playing female leads since I was a child; raised in a conservative leaning household, never once bothered me. Metroid, mirrors edge, shiek and lucina and samus in smash bros, on and on. This is a strange complex you have and it's only going to limit your enjoyment of great media. I grew up watching girls beat up dudes in cartoons all the time, or guys and girls working together or a common goal. I love seeing badass women in games, movies and TV. Sometimes it excites me more than if it was a dude if done well.
Here's a woman beating a much smaller man in a knife fight. Thing about knives and swords is they are pretty good equalizers because last I checked getting sliced open is bad regardless of your gender.
Sorry you cant see that but thats not the correct framework to approach entertainment. Its your thing; should be THE thing
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Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Are we just at the point of diminishing returns with visuals, then? I haven't been blown away graphically by a single Sony Exclusive this generation (Demon's Souls in 2020 did look very good), like I was in the last few. To me on my monitor, watching the Ghost trailer in 4K, I just wasn't impressed the way I was expecting to be for a PS5, ground-up exclusive.
Trilobit
Member
I hope we get to see Jin alive and well in the sequel. I know it takes place several hundred years later, but as we are excusing all unrealistic things then I think we should include this one too.
touchfuzzy
Member
How does one pronounce 'Yotei'
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You might not be old enough to remember but questioning the casting of certain roles was common up until around 2015 - 2020.
We did not have people who said "Oh so you're outraged at the casting choice? It's all fantasy so casting doesn't matter in entertainment." That didn't exist.
No one is oUtRaGeD. We're just noticing a very lame trend.
Celcius
°Temp. member
The game looks awesome and you've literally never played it. What do you have against female protagonists?and it's a fucken girl boss, go figure.
She could be really cool... we literally know nothing about her yet.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
My grandmother killed a man back in the 1970s
My grandparents ran a large tavern and hotel and grandma was working the register and a guy came in with a pistol and tried to rob her and she just walked to where they kept the shotgun and put both barrels of 00 buckshot into his chest
She was a mean old bird
Lovely story about her while I was getting Baseball scholarships to college she kept telling me to get a real job
After getting drafted she kept telling me to get a real job
After retiring from playing 13 years in total her first question was if I was going to get a real job now
One of the last times I saw her was a Christmas and hadn't seen her in about 6 months or so and her first thing out of her mouth was "Getting a little fat arent ya?"
Loved and really disliked that old woman
ResilientBanana
Member
Are people mad because she’s wearing clothes? This game looks legit. There’s nothing wrong with a female led game unless there are actually DEI tropes in there. Everyone went hog-wild over that one Korean porn game. Why not this?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That type of brutal honesty is wholesome!My grandmother killed a man back in the 1970s
My grandparents ran a large tavern and hotel and grandma was working the register and a guy came in with a pistol and tried to rob her and she just walked to where they kept the shotgun and put both barrels of 00 buckshot into his chest
She was a mean old bird
Lovely story about her while I was getting Baseball scholarships to college she kept telling me to get a real job
After getting drafted she kept telling me to get a real job
After retiring from playing 13 years in total her first question was if I was going to get a real job now
One of the last times I saw her was a Christmas and hadn't seen her in about 6 months or so and her first thing out of her mouth was "Getting a little fat arent ya?"
Loved and really disliked that old woman
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Old German whose parents fled Germany when she was small, I guess according to my dad they were real gems to be around
mitch1971
Member
You know there are MEN in this thread that feel 'funny' having to even watch a trailer with 'WOMAN in it'. Don't be bringing in historic documents in here to scare the MEN.
Venom Snake
Member
That's a sick tsuba, i will order a similar one for my next blade.
nikolino840
Member
But is histoically accurate or not? Can someone link some essays about it? 
mindfreak191
Member
I refuse to believe that you actually think like this LMFAO
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
They've learned how to make games cinematic without cutscenes or hours of stiff dialog.
Gorging on kurosawa films nonstop for months probably helped hahaha.
As much as I am disappointed we're parting ways with jin, truth is I can't wait.
fallingdove
Member
You have it reversed, few people questioned cast before 2015. It ramped with woke and anti-woke.
I’m sure though that you were among the majority that complained about the size of Cloud’s sword given his scrawny arms, the distance that Lara Croft is able to jump, or in the ability for horses to run up a cliff face in Skyrim.
We need more accuracy in our video games dammit!
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Oh and btw anyone going kill bill sucks, uma thurman played a girlboss blergh blorgh can go suck it
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No, casting choice was a frequent topic of movie & tv criticism from as long as I can remember. It just wasn't politicized so you wouldn't be called a bigot if you took issue with it somewhere.
Physical roles demanded a physical presence. That's why Arnold Schwarzenegger was cast in action movies and not Helen Mirren.
Monkfish877
Member
I have absolutely no hatred or dislike for females, I love women, where would I be without my mother? probably dead. I don't believe in the absolute equality of males and females, men are good at some things, women are good at some things, my problem is this push to convince everybody that females are just as capable of doing the things that males are good at which is simply just blatantly not true, men are biologically stronger than women, it's just a fact, that's why in my eyes, especially in character action games, I don't want to play as anything other than a male, if it was cooking mama or animal crossing or something like that, then sure a female character makes sense, also the movie scene you posted is ridiculous , no way that's happening in real life, you know she'd get mauled to death, right? it's almost as stupid as this scene here,
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Monkfish877
Member
Honestly, I think I'm in the majority, especially in my age group who think like this.
LMJ
Member
Gee if only we had a good template of games with amazing stealth that didn't hold your hand and used both the environment and tools to your advantage
Seriously enough painted ledges, handholding experimentation is FUN devs...it is I swear
Fatbody
Member
Anyone who isn’t living in a vacuum can see the broader trend here. Most people are playing dumb with their “so is Metroid and Tomb Raider woke?!?” bad faith arguments. It’s blatantly obvious that for the past 5+ years in the AAA gaming scene that singular male leads, especially straight white ones, are becoming verboten.
And the reason why it’s absurd is because the main audience for these type of games are overwhelming male. No amount of fem-protags shoved down the audience’s throats are going to move the needle on that much. Most people strongly identify with their own sex. The followings and fandoms of movie stars, musicians, social media influencers, athletes, and fictional characters almost universally correlate to a same-sex audience. The only exceptions being opposite-sex sexual attraction (which of course is being rooted out by uglification), and physically/spiritually trans people.
And the reason why it’s absurd is because the main audience for these type of games are overwhelming male. No amount of fem-protags shoved down the audience’s throats are going to move the needle on that much. Most people strongly identify with their own sex. The followings and fandoms of movie stars, musicians, social media influencers, athletes, and fictional characters almost universally correlate to a same-sex audience. The only exceptions being opposite-sex sexual attraction (which of course is being rooted out by uglification), and physically/spiritually trans people.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Source?
I see people who are bitching about having to play a female samurai in a fictional world are also make belief historical experts in Japanese history. Were these same people bitching about Metal Gear Solid 3 where you played a spy in the Cold War era during the 1960's and had to battle a guy who controls bees.
semiconscious
Member
what? are you seriously claiming that that wasn't pretty common back then?...
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Metal Gear Solid was far more fantastical in nature than Ghost of Tsushima. The more fantastical your setting, the more you can get away with in terms of narrative believability.
Dr.brain64
Member
Day one. Looks amazing.
BattleScar
Member
Some of you in here are the most miserable fucks I've ever seen. Angry about absolutely nothing. Absolutely no joy in your lives, due to some pathological fear of the nebulous concept of "woke".
Not playing the game because there's a woman lead? By all means, its your loss. I'm sure there will be many millions of others who'll have a good enough time.
I think some would be best served spending less time on the internet and just go out and enjoy life, instead of letting your blood pressure get raised by innocuous bullshit.
Not playing the game because there's a woman lead? By all means, its your loss. I'm sure there will be many millions of others who'll have a good enough time.
I think some would be best served spending less time on the internet and just go out and enjoy life, instead of letting your blood pressure get raised by innocuous bullshit.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Are you willing to go further on what is and isn't "fantasy" sir? Or will you begin and end at a "FEMALE" samurai?
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! Many of them became the snowflakes that they hated 5 years ago.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Lunarorbit
Member
It's like in Afghanistan. Being gay would get you killed but you can totally rape that underage boy that followed you into war. There was a drone video of a Russian solider being forced to do things to a superior officer until the drone dropped a grenade on them.
And if you look thru history this sexual abuse happens all over. The Spartans were doing the same thing as modern taliban. Seriously messed up stuff
Umbral
Member
This reaction was inevitable. We have now entered the era where developers do not get the benefit of the doubt and must now demonstrate their games are free of the stuff they’ve been shoehorning in for the last decade or so. Trust is gone and justifiably so.
The assumption now is that your game is a vehicle for your ideology and you must show the customers that it is not. Word will get out if it is and it will hurt your sales. There are too many other games you are competing with.
Can we please stop pretending they didn’t do this to themselves? To those name calling, I hope you will eat your crow should the anti-woke prove themselves right on release.
The assumption now is that your game is a vehicle for your ideology and you must show the customers that it is not. Word will get out if it is and it will hurt your sales. There are too many other games you are competing with.
Can we please stop pretending they didn’t do this to themselves? To those name calling, I hope you will eat your crow should the anti-woke prove themselves right on release.
Zathalus
Member
Factually untrue. There have been something like 30+ AAA games (so not counting indies or AA or games that share protagonists like Ratchet or Alan Wake) in the past 5 years with male leads. Including Ghost of Tsushima funnily enough.
ElFenomeno
Member
male in appearance but pussified to hell and back.
geary
Member
We dont talk about it here unless is ACBut is histoically accurate or not? Can someone link some essays about it?
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Very rare and there were no where near the same number as their male counterparts, but there were women warriors in Japan.
There's even a book about the subject if you're interested.
