DeathGuise
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Dial back this juvenile rhetoric and discuss things like an adult.
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GTA VI should only run at 30fps on PS5 Pro, says Digital Foundry
Look at these two things:
Opinion - News - Game Dev - Former Rockstar Dev Warns GTA 6 Won’t Be Too Different From GTA 5
GTA 6 is undoubtedly the biggest game coming next year. Rockstar has made bold claims that hint GTA 6 will be revolutionary. However, a former Rockstar developer has warned fans to keep their expectations in check. The developer initially praised the trailer for its atmosphere and portrayal...
What CPU difference are you seeing that would be a major hindrance in achieving it? It's very much possible even if it may or may not happen.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The poster I'm quoting said the game will run at 1440p/60 on current consoles. The trailer shows is DRS 1440 30 at best.
GTA 5 is also a two generation old game.
Just the beach goer scene in the VI trailer alone has more going on than anything in V.
He's probably talking about mission structures etc.
GTA 6 won’t be ‘wildly different’ from GTA 5 says ex-Rockstar developer
A developer with more than 20 years’ experience at Rockstar Games suggests ‘people might be a little disappointed’ with GTA 6 at first.
metro.co.uk
Look at these two things:
Opinion - News - Game Dev - Former Rockstar Dev Warns GTA 6 Won’t Be Too Different From GTA 5
GTA 6 is undoubtedly the biggest game coming next year. Rockstar has made bold claims that hint GTA 6 will be revolutionary. However, a former Rockstar developer has warned fans to keep their expectations in check. The developer initially praised the trailer for its atmosphere and portrayal...www.neogaf.com
What CPU difference are you seeing that would be a major hindrance in achieving it? It's very much possible even if it may or may not happen.
1. See above
2. Deleted reply lol
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Radical_3d
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Wanna avatar bet? You look like you like Boji and I sure love my Raziel pic. What do you say?
RaySoft
Member
You misunderstand. That new core would also have to run compiled code for the original cpu in the PS5 as well. Code compiled for fixed hardware could often use techniques to squeeze out that extra perf. If you try to run that code on a different core, it could cause all sorts of problems. Just a difference in instruction cache size or behaviour could cause problems. Consoles are not PC's in that way.
I mean, saying that a technological miracle needs to happen for GTA VI to run at 60 FPS on PS5 Pro is a bit too much, but it looks like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting that PS5 Pro will have the same old Zen 2 CPU as base PS5. If GTA VI is so CPU intensive that the CPU can't manage 60 FPS, then the bigger GPU won't help much in terms of framerate. But obviously it's all speculation right now, only the devs know what is their target.
Mr Moose
Member
The game is still far from release, isn't the last thing done optimization?
No he wasn't
"Further explaining his point, the developer outlined that technology no longer evolves as quickly as it used to. He pointed to the massive jump between consoles like the PS1 and PS2.
On the other hand, the PS4 and PS5 are not nearly as different, making it difficult to achieve revolutionary leaps in gameplay and visuals."
He's saying it's not going to have anything that different due to tech leaps. If some "simulation or AI calls" isn't something that's gameplay dependent it can be cut back for performance mode.
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Astray
Member
DF have become completely stupid with this shit. They really need to quit with the quasi-console warring content because it's driving the entire gaming discourse downhill at this point.
You don't have access to the game (yet), what on earth makes you informed enough to make these proclamations?
"GTA 5 is CPU-bound, therefore GTA 6 will definitely be CPU-bound" is a baseless assumption at this point in time.
You don't have access to the game (yet), what on earth makes you informed enough to make these proclamations?
"GTA 5 is CPU-bound, therefore GTA 6 will definitely be CPU-bound" is a baseless assumption at this point in time.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes but we don't even know if the trailer was running on console hardware yet. And, again, it's just going by R*'s historical release records that they don't exactly do Performance modes in the first releases of games.
Probably next generation.\\
R* didn't make different performance modes with One X and its 30% faster CPU, the odds of them doing that with a Pro and its 10% or thereabout faster CPU are even lower. Even the 10% figure is from leaks, Cerny / Sony hasn't said absolutely anything about any improvement in CPU.
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Mr Moose
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Why would it be 1440p DRS/30fps on PC? The PC version isn't coming until about 2 years later.Yes but we don't even know if the trailer was running on console hardware yet. And, again, it's just going by R*'s historical release records that they don't exactly do Performance modes in the first releases of games.
Probably next generation.\\
R* didn't make different performance modes with One X and its 30% faster CPU, the odds of them doing that with a Pro and its 10% or thereabout faster CPU are even lower.
Bojji
Member
I'm in!
PS4 games were designed to run on jaguar and yet we have 99.9% backwards compatibility on PS5 without any specific patches, some games even run more than 2x faster thanks to better CPU.
Topher
Gold Member
Perhaps, but then why are we talking about Space Marines 2?
MMaRsu
Member
The difference is its not using pre 2011 tech??
Have you seen the graphics, the amount of NPC's on the beach for instance etc?
Do you seriously think Rockstar wont want to capitalize on PC launch?
With a 60fps+ version for the double dippers?
And GTA6 for PS6 / Xbox Series 1080?
Topher
Gold Member
Rocco Schiavone
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Strange that they doubled the framerates in quality mode for Horizon Forbidden West and TLOUII.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sequel to a big open world game that was CPU bound is also a big open world which is likely going to be CPU bound.
It's .. not really that difficult of an assumption to make.
SM2 is also a very CPU heavy game per DF and other(s). It has hundreds of enemies on screen at once etc.
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Topher
Gold Member
And GTA 6 does not. It is not similar to GTA 6 and should not be compared, much less be the basis of predictions for performance.
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Graphics on a yet unreleased more powerful machine that has nothing to do with CPU? Yes I have. I've already mentioned NPCs. You can reduce it in performance mode or on different systems like many games already have.
MMaRsu
Member
That's not Rockstars way. Look at RDR2.
Why would you put in extra work for a console thats not even going to sell above 10 million?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Strange that they doubled the framerates in quality mode for Horizon Forbidden West and TLOUII.
But those games already have 60 fps modes and PSSR is just increasing the resolution, like a bigger GPU would.
They're both CPU bound games (or rather will be since VI isn't out yet). No one said VI and SM2 are similar kinds of games or will play similarly.
Astray
Member
We simply don't know that tho. We don't know how Rockstar will optimize the game for Series and PS5 consoles. It's conjecture being propped up by "expert opinion" being posted next to it. The experts speaking not only have a super mixed record of success, but they also don't have access to the game or the device, their guess is as good as yours or mine rn.
Spiderman 2 managed to have multiple graphics modes on that same CPU (60hz with variable res, 4k30 and a VRR 40hz mode). It's not this impossible task they're trying to present it as.
Topher
Gold Member
That's pure speculation as far as GTA 6 is concerned. lol...you know this.
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Radical_3d
Member
I’ll look for something humiliating for you from now till 2026 when the game releases.
demigod
Member
Here bookmark this. DF will be wrong and there will be more than 30fps.
Those games already have a 60FPS performance mode on base PS5, wtf.Strange that they doubled the framerates in quality mode for Horizon Forbidden West and TLOUII.
LostDonkey
Member
So you can zoom in at 500% and get a boner over some small details in the distance.
Pretty cool, right
Yet people used RDR2 as a XOneX prime example game. That sold probably less than 3M. You don't need to put that much work if they aimed for 60fps on base PS5 but don't hit stable 60.
Back to the point why are people ignoring the fact that Rockstar has previously said that they aim for 60fps on base PS5 and they're confident, and the leak by that kid that had "Performance 1440p" in the screenshot?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Eh, sequel to open world CPU bound game likely being CPU bound is the least controversial assumption of all time.
When did "Rockstar" previously said that? And is that article or PR somewhere online?
It was one artist and that reply got deleted within a little while. If the artist was confident, the reply would still be there.
Yep.
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Topher
Gold Member
Current "open world CPU bound" game was running on hardware two gens ago and neither will have hundreds of enemies on the screen at the same time. You can spin it all you want, but Space Marines 2 is still a stupid basis for a prediction.
So you found it. Good. And the leaked screenshot just before the trailer with "performance" mentioned?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Which leaked screenshot, you should post it here if you want people to infer information from it.
I haven't seen that and if I'm assuming correct, it was from those very early dev leaks with untextured environments and assets, which was likely being run on some workstation.
ok?
GTA V took 2 generations beyond its original release to get a functional 60fps mode on console, so looking at it from either angle it's more likely that VI will only have a single 30 fps mode at launch.
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Topher
Gold Member
Maybe. That's certainly a better basis for speculation than Space Marines 2.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I haven't referred to SM2 2 of the last 3 posts lol, it was just one example of a recent game that hammered CPU.
There's a lot of other reasons to assume VI will not have a 60 fps mode.
Just going by R*'s track record, they've preferred fidelity over performance in console releases, so I don't think they're the kind of devs who will do a stripped down version to try and do a Performance mode.
Astray
Member
Sony is almost certainly treating DF like mushrooms at this point.. They feed them shit and keep them in the dark.
Topher
Gold Member
Good....it was a silly comparison. Last time I checked, GTA has new people in charge. I'm not going to assume anything going forward, but you do you.
JackMcGunns
Member
Yea, armchair Gaf posters have more.
No not the hacker leaks that were "untextured". I'm talking about the Rockstar Employees son who showed videos from his dads machine days before the official trailer. The one where it was showing the city and people used it to guess the cars. Somebody already posted about it in this thread but I guess you just ignored it. The original devkit screenshots were taken down so you can hunt them down yourself. This is the discussion of it:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Is this the leak you're talking about?
It looks like dev environment footage running so choppy, irrespective of the .7x.
I wouldn't take anything from this as representation of final console performance, but you're welcome to.
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We don't know shit just like DF doesn't. Don't appeal to authority when said authority was making silly claims that Sony games are 30fps not long ago
Only to be put to shame with all those games having 60fps modes and Xbox games launching with 30fps only.
hinch7
Member
They are PS4 games. Built to run on lowly Jaguar cores.Strange that they doubled the framerates in quality mode for Horizon Forbidden West and TLOUII.
Looking at how densely packed the GTA 6 trailer is, and the amount of physics going on (including hair and water). 30fps is a reasonable estimate for this game.
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
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You mean like they did for Red Dead Redemption 2 on consoles?
MMaRsu
Member
The dev suite has the option, doesnt mean the game is built around it.
Astray
Member
I had no idea that they fucked up this badly.
Like I said, DF have an abysmal record this gen, no idea why people take their word as gospel and give them so much coverage.