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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!
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me too kinda, but I wanted to reward AMD for blowing open the multicore race again lol, and I suspect the 8700k may end up more expensive to build system wise. Anyway, at least we can wait for the next Zen, hopefully they can increase the single core performance
It's not red all over the place, for starter lol. Easier to color match. I/O cover, RGB. Plus the stuff ISee mentioned.
Taco_Human
Member
Thanks guys. I actually meant I was coming from a GTX 570 not the newer RXc card.
And I ended up getting a 3GB version. I didn't think it would make too much of a difference considering it was cheaper and it was already an amazing modern day update to me.
I have the day to set it up. I hope it works out.
And I ended up getting a 3GB version. I didn't think it would make too much of a difference considering it was cheaper and it was already an amazing modern day update to me.
I have the day to set it up. I hope it works out.
my new build <3 got rid of my nzxt h440 and went smaller with s340 elite and upgraded to z270:
my desk is cluttered but oh well lol
KEV_2579 by kevin ramirez, on Flickr
KEV_2582 by kevin ramirez, on Flickr
2017-08-28_01-01-48 by kevin ramirez, on Flickr
my desk is cluttered but oh well lol
KEV_2579 by kevin ramirez, on FlickrKEV_2582 by kevin ramirez, on Flickr2017-08-28_01-01-48 by kevin ramirez, on Flickrme too kinda, but I wanted to reward AMD for blowing open the multicore race again lol, and I suspect the 8700k may end up more expensive to build system wise. Anyway, at least we can wait for the next Zen, hopefully they can increase the single core performance
My thoughts exactly. I even contemplated going threadripper just to go completely overboard.
spootime
Member
Do you think 870o would have come out if there was no 1700? Probably not. This is a reaction from intel and AMD have still got room to improve with Sm4 since it's a new platform. I'm still happy with my 1700 this will be s solid cpu for at least 5 years. Don't feel bad about buying something that still beats 95% if cou's out there.
darkslayer101
Member
@xkramz
damn good rig.
I have the same case and it looks great with rgb lighting.
Also which mobo did you pick?
damn good rig.
I have the same case and it looks great with rgb lighting.
Also which mobo did you pick?
PixyJunket
Member
Soirry for the drive-by post, I just need some basic direction on a video card, and information overload is making me reconsider building a new machine.
My current card is an GeForce 460 GTX and my needs are going to be fairly minimal (for gaming, at least). Essentially, I would like to play Ys VIII in 1080p/60fps and go from there (that will likely be the most graphically intense game I play for quite some time). Steam says the recommended card is a Radeon R7 370. So how does the GeForce 1050 compare to that? And if I'm going that far, should I be going for a 1060 to lock in some level of future-proofing (for my needs, mind you)? And what do all the acronyms means on the cards? There's SC, SSC, BBQ, FTW, FTW+SSJ, etc.
Also, a quickie, how do these new VA panels compare to my ol' beloved IPS? I see they have the viewing angles I like with the speed of a TN, but what is missing?
My current card is an GeForce 460 GTX and my needs are going to be fairly minimal (for gaming, at least). Essentially, I would like to play Ys VIII in 1080p/60fps and go from there (that will likely be the most graphically intense game I play for quite some time). Steam says the recommended card is a Radeon R7 370. So how does the GeForce 1050 compare to that? And if I'm going that far, should I be going for a 1060 to lock in some level of future-proofing (for my needs, mind you)? And what do all the acronyms means on the cards? There's SC, SSC, BBQ, FTW, FTW+SSJ, etc.
Also, a quickie, how do these new VA panels compare to my ol' beloved IPS? I see they have the viewing angles I like with the speed of a TN, but what is missing?
Killer Queen
Banned
So how do we feel about water-cooling kits here?
1050 is generally better than a R7 370, but not by a huge margin, but it depends on the game. You can go for a 1060 if you care about playing AAA games at high to ultra settings at 1080p/60fps, but it doesn't sound like you really need it for the games you're playing.
Those acronyms are specific to EVGA GPUs, but basically:
SC: SuperClocked (good)
SSC: Super SuperClocked (better)
FTW: For The Win (best)
robotzombie
Member
Okay so I went with this for my ssd:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M20VBU7/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Any suggestions on the best 2tb regular harddrive to go along with that?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M20VBU7/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Any suggestions on the best 2tb regular harddrive to go along with that?
PixyJunket
Member
Much appreciated; yeah, I generally don't play AAA games so I'm probably way overthinking this as is.
So if I'm sticking with 1080p, would a 2GB 1050 do the job?
This would basically be an instant-buy price point if it's going to do what I need it to do.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MG0733A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
robotzombie
Member
Phatosaurus
Member
Good luck with the build, mines pretty similar to that. Just different mobos and less RAM.
Honestly, Micro Center is mostly good for motherboard and CPU combo prices, which no one can really compete with, and the occasional times they discount certain SSDs and RAM with CPU purchases. The problem they have is that they don't carry certain brands at all (Cryorig and Be quiet for example) or their stock is either limited or non-existent. They also tend to stick with popular brands and don't have more niche products or brands. They do occasionally have great sales even on other things though, like monitors, prebuilts, etc. Also, if you can get certain parts open box (GPUs, etc.) you can save some decent cash.
I think a 1050 will serve you just fine for what you want to play. 1050 Ti 4GB models is also a very good alternative, but a bit more price, like an extra $30-$40 or so, depending on the model.
Ryzaki009
Member
Yeah don't panic too hard yet. My computer did something similar with skyrim. Turns out when I cleaned it out I forgot to tighten all the plugs (particularly the power supply plug and the ones for my gfx card). I fixed that and haven't had another issue since.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
having just made the same decision from GTX 460 to a 1050, I'd say the Ti version is pretty much the only version worth considering. The 2GB version are basically gimped on purpose and will actually produce more heat and sound than the 4GB (Ti) versions do. The 40 bucks difference isn't really worth considering when you're already spending 130 by default (or at least in my case).
Honestly, the 2GB version will be phased out in time since there's literally no reason to buy it over the 'normal' version for gaming reasons.
PixyJunket
Member
Cool, thanks for the head's up.
It's another tick up, but should I be going for the two fan version over the single fan?
robotzombie
Member
Why is Windows 10 so goddamn expensive? Is it really $200 to get windows 10 pro on a flash drive?
Should I just get it on a dvd instead for 60 less bucks and just buy an optical disk drive?
Should I just get it on a dvd instead for 60 less bucks and just buy an optical disk drive?
Where is it $200? MSRP should be like $130-$140 at most.
Sites like Play-Asia have digital copies for like $20~ from what I heard.
You can get more usb headers for you Aio, rgb lighting etc using the nzxt internal usb hub.Ive run out of USB ports
Is there an easy way to have dongles/recievers for blutooth devices inside of the case?
Hey guys. So I'm currently running a nicely binned 980ti I've got a moderate overclock on with an old 2600k that is reaching its last days. Say I only want to upgrade each once through the end of 2018, but I'd love to get my foot in the door for 4K ASAP.
Would my current system manage a tolerable fps at 4K? If not, what's better to upgrade to first versus waiting for what will be released in 2018, noting I only want to upgrade each once in the next 16 months or so. 8700k or wait for Ice Lake? 1080ti or wait for Volta? Or just stand pat and wait for both?
Would my current system manage a tolerable fps at 4K? If not, what's better to upgrade to first versus waiting for what will be released in 2018, noting I only want to upgrade each once in the next 16 months or so. 8700k or wait for Ice Lake? 1080ti or wait for Volta? Or just stand pat and wait for both?
Hey guys would this build work for most games running 1080p/60fps?
Basically Destiny 2 and open world games. I'm not looking for ultra settings, completely happy with mid.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/DMdnTW/entry-level-amd-gaming-build
Budget is anywhere from 550-625ish. Would really like to stay around 600 though.
I really don't know if overclocking is something worth doing, I'm not very knowledgeable about it or anything PC wise so please feel free to educate me.
Basically Destiny 2 and open world games. I'm not looking for ultra settings, completely happy with mid.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/DMdnTW/entry-level-amd-gaming-build
Budget is anywhere from 550-625ish. Would really like to stay around 600 though.
I really don't know if overclocking is something worth doing, I'm not very knowledgeable about it or anything PC wise so please feel free to educate me.
ISee
Member
Ive run out of USB ports
Is there an easy way to have dongles/recievers for blutooth devices inside of the case?
There are PCI cards with Bluetooth and pci cards with usb and sata. Just get as many as you want (and don't run out of pci slots).
I'm using an old asus pci card that adds two usb 3.0 and two additiinal sata 6 ports to my system. I use the sata 6 just for my old blu ray drive though, that I use for data backups.
Phatosaurus
Member
Only thing I'll suggest to that is get a B350 board instead, and consider a SSD. Cheap out on the case a bit if possible to make up for the slightly more expensive mobo.
Other than that, looks like a solid build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NJVbJV
I not too recently bought the Dell S2716DG and it's great. I think the one you're looking at is the Dell S2417DG which is similar to mine but slightly smaller and can support higher framerates. Only flaw is that they don't come with built in speaker if you prefer that. I also heard that 1440p doesn't look as good in 24 inch screens but it might not bother everybody.
980 ti can't handle 4K well, and to be frank neither can the 1080 ti fully handle it. You're better off waiting for Volta.
As for the CPU, I don't know how much Ice Lake will offer over coffee lake (and I doubt that anyone who doesn't work at Intel knows, either).
I mean Coffee is getting 6 cores so that alone should give it a decent bump over what we currently have. Only problem is that the first generation of motherboards, which are repurposed 270s.
SmartWaffles
Member
Get an SSD, definitely get an SSD. Otherwise follow Phatosaurus' build, better than what you posted.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I'm reposting this from the Ryzen thread in hope of getting an idea on what could be wrong.
I'm running into an issue where my Asus Prime B350 Plus refuses to save my CPU overclock settings. I have a Ryzen R5 1600 and I can't get it past 3.5ghz.
I'm using the current Bios which I believe is 806. I did find one person with a similar issue, who fixed it by updating the BIOS via thumbdrive rather then the internet. Unfortunately that didn't fix my problem. My RAM is a Gskills Ripjaws 3200 speed that's Ryzen compatible.
I've posted on Reddit as well as the Asus Support Forum, where I've received no response.
I'm not certain if I need to just wait for another Bios update to hopefully correct this or what. I'm unfamiliar with all of this, so maybe I'm missing something? I'm trying to avoid returning these items to Microcenter for replacements.
I'm running into an issue where my Asus Prime B350 Plus refuses to save my CPU overclock settings. I have a Ryzen R5 1600 and I can't get it past 3.5ghz.
I'm using the current Bios which I believe is 806. I did find one person with a similar issue, who fixed it by updating the BIOS via thumbdrive rather then the internet. Unfortunately that didn't fix my problem. My RAM is a Gskills Ripjaws 3200 speed that's Ryzen compatible.
I've posted on Reddit as well as the Asus Support Forum, where I've received no response.
I'm not certain if I need to just wait for another Bios update to hopefully correct this or what. I'm unfamiliar with all of this, so maybe I'm missing something? I'm trying to avoid returning these items to Microcenter for replacements.
Much appreciated! Any tips for an SSD? Completely clueless when it comes to those, it's for quicker loading right?
Phatosaurus
Member
I went with a 240Gb Sandisk, I just use it for the OS and a couple games that I play a lot for faster boot times and faster loading.
For just the OS, I think 120Gb would be completely fine. For the best brand/manufacturer, honestly just get one from a manufacturer you've heard of and that you can afford.
Not sure on the prices for them where you are, but you might be better off dropping the 2TB hard drive for now and putting that $60 towards the highest capacity SSD you can afford, then picking up a 1-2TB hard drive when you have the spare cash.
Canklestank
Neo Member
It depends on how long you're willing to wait. Right now, memory and GPU prices are sky high and we're towards the tail end of Pascal.
It's probably worth it to at least wait for Volta at this point, which should release sometime during the first half of next year.
I'm probably going to wait for prices to settle back down, personally.
Voidwolf
Member
So my friend is throwing together a budget PC, well, not exactly the most humble build but I think he's looking to spend around $1500 or less.
Here's the list he sent me last night, he said he kinda threw it together and needs help.
I feel like he's better off looking for a different CPU and an AiO cooler. I've heard good things about the Noctua but I think an AiO would be easier to work around, and maybe quiter. He won't be overclocking at all as he knows absolutely nothing about PC gaming in general. As evidenced by the mobo (I'm 110% sure he didn't see he chose a mini ITX or even knows what that means).
I hear bad things about the temps on that CPU but I think it's always in regards to overclocking, how is it when left stock? Thoughts on that RAM? I feel like he should grab Corsair or G. skill. Once we settle on a CPU I'll look into mobos.
Edit: For reference, the games he cares most about right now are Destiny 2 and PUBG (early access so not to worry about this one). I want him to be able to run D2 at ultra and never consider playing it on his PS4 again.
Here's the list he sent me last night, he said he kinda threw it together and needs help.
I feel like he's better off looking for a different CPU and an AiO cooler. I've heard good things about the Noctua but I think an AiO would be easier to work around, and maybe quiter. He won't be overclocking at all as he knows absolutely nothing about PC gaming in general. As evidenced by the mobo (I'm 110% sure he didn't see he chose a mini ITX or even knows what that means).
I hear bad things about the temps on that CPU but I think it's always in regards to overclocking, how is it when left stock? Thoughts on that RAM? I feel like he should grab Corsair or G. skill. Once we settle on a CPU I'll look into mobos.
Edit: For reference, the games he cares most about right now are Destiny 2 and PUBG (early access so not to worry about this one). I want him to be able to run D2 at ultra and never consider playing it on his PS4 again.
7700k is not too bad for temps with a decent cooler if it's on stock.
The RAM seems a bit expensive for the speed.
He'd benefit a lot by getting an SSD (even a small/fairly cheap one).
AIO is usually more expensive for not much better performance (That Noctua may be better than some AIO though lol, I think it's overkill, there's probably cheaper Noctuas you can pick).
Also just my 2 cents, but for lower price, he can probably get R5 1600 (+wraith cooler) + B350 + 1080 + 250GB SSD. Not sure if the 1080 is enough to offset the cpu difference, but just giving an alternate choice
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CrVCxY
If he can wait, the newer intel 86/8700k should be coming out soon, although the pricing may be higher :\
It really isn't that difficult to build one, are you specifically interested in buying a prebuilt?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XGY1V86/?tag=neogaf0e-20
7700k + 1080TI pre built for that price. Trade offs elsewhere but for D2/PUBG performance it's absolutely no contest.
Unfortunately yes. My computer died so I need to get something up and ready immediately. I'm not sure how long ordering individual pieces would take
Voidwolf
Member
AIO is usually more expensive for not much better performance (That Noctua may be better than some AIO though lol, I think it's overkill, there's probably cheaper Noctuas you can pick).
Also just my 2 cents, but for lower price, he can probably get R5 1600 (+wraith cooler) + B350 + 1080 + 250GB SSD. Not sure if the 1080 is enough to offset the cpu difference, but just giving an alternate choice
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CrVCxY
If he can wait, the newer intel 86/8700k should be coming out soon, although the pricing may be higher :\
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback. I'm going over his part list now and will probably post an updated version.
Bloodember
Member
About as long as getting a prebuilt sent to you. Build one, you'll be much happier with it. If you get everything from amazon and Newegg they both do 2 day shipping. If you have a microcenter near by you can get everything from there.
RumblingRosco
Member
Anyone have any experience undervolting a 1000-series Nvidia card, such as my 1080 Ti? I've read that a slight undervolt can result in the same or even improved performance while also keeping the card a bit cooler (and therefore, quieter). Does anyone have any advice as to how to do this or any good guides? Found one guide using MSI Afterburner, but just wondering if there's any good guides people here have used. Thanks.
My main purpose for this isn't performance increases, but rather, getting the card to run as cool as possible so it'll be as quiet as possible. Makes streaming/recording gameplay so much easier with a quiet room.
My main purpose for this isn't performance increases, but rather, getting the card to run as cool as possible so it'll be as quiet as possible. Makes streaming/recording gameplay so much easier with a quiet room.
Voidwolf
Member
I've spent more time working on this while at work today than I should have haha. Anyway I removed the peripherals and monitor my friend put to just focus on the build. I told him not to include those things in his budget. I looked into that Noctua he picked and it seems better than most AiO coolers, I'm not a fan (get it?) but I can't deny the performance and price. Swapped out the RAM and MOBO and added an SSD, also put a GPU I'd go for.
I'll verify with him later today but it seems like he plans to stick to 1080p for now so I think this will take care of most things just fine for a while. I want this build to last him and for him to only need minor upgrades or be able to OC with my help in the future. What do you guys think?
I really want this to go well as his experience could potentially enable a bunch of my PS4 buddies to make the jump to PC gaming (I want my Destiny group to follow!)
I'll verify with him later today but it seems like he plans to stick to 1080p for now so I think this will take care of most things just fine for a while. I want this build to last him and for him to only need minor upgrades or be able to OC with my help in the future. What do you guys think?
I really want this to go well as his experience could potentially enable a bunch of my PS4 buddies to make the jump to PC gaming (I want my Destiny group to follow!)
RumblingRosco
Member
Two minor suggestions.
1) Can you find RAM at an equivalent price but at a higher frequency? Instead of 2133 go for 2400 or higher if you can. It's minor, but I feel like you can finder faster RAM at that price.
2) get a 500-550w PSU. I know it's overkill, but if you want more upgradeability in the future, this'll give you an easier time swapping in a new GPU in 1-3 years. Given the Vega line from AMD is so power hungry, it wouldn't be entirely impossible for a good AMD-based GPU upgrade to appear in the next few refreshes, but you'd need/want more than 450w at that point.
Just some ideas. The build you have is solid as-is of course.
Needs faster RAM and a better PSU. This list also takes advantage of the M.2 SSD slot on his Mobo for super fastness. You'll notice a solid improvement for only $100 more.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.11 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.95 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX Z270H ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($142.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($147.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($117.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($443.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1579.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-29 17:14 EDT-0400