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[Minions]

I like how your post mostly goes on assumption as to what they are working on, in order to downplay. Funny. Also Big Park is rumored to be working on a AAA ip for durango.

What else would you base it on? Nothing has been announced yet. Ten days from now we may now (some) of what is being developed.

 

[Ol No Bones]

People looking at all the new studios need to understand that they're not all necessarily created to make content for the Xbox. There's going to be a lot of Win 8 App support. But then again if those apps also run on the Xbox, I guess you could look at them as Xbox devs.

Sure. I just don't get why the Xbox is being trashed before we have any real news. One thing we do know is that their is first party new ip heading to the Xbox. From what I understand the only next gen new ip from sony's first party is knack at this point. Nothing wrong with that and I'm sure e3 will get better. Some of the criticism is so premature for the next Xbox.

 

[Razgreez]

What the hell is going on in this thread?


sadly I think it's only going to get worse after the 21st.

I doubt it'll consistently get any better or worse. The madness seems to flow in waves

I'd much prefer quality over quantity when it comes to exclusives. Sony released way more exclusives back in 2011 then MS but I liked Gears 3 way more then anything Sony put out that year.

You don't say...

 

[Uno Venova]

I like how your post mostly goes on assumption as to what they are working on, in order to downplay. Funny. Also Big Park is rumored to be working on a AAA ip for durango.

I'm not sure what problems you have with his post, I'm not getting much radically different looking at the Wiki.

 

[MoeB]

I'd much prefer quality over quantity when it comes to exclusives. Sony released way more exclusives back in 2011 then MS but I liked Gears 3 way more then anything Sony put out that year.

How do you feel about Microsoft ending their partnership with Epic?

 

[Bleedorang3]

343 Industries- Halo
Lionhead- Fable
Turn 10- Forza
Twisted Pixel- XBL and Kinect
Black Tusk- New studio, so probably new IP to rival Halo franchise. FPS?
Press Play- Indie dev with only 20 employees so I'm guessing XBL titles.
Good Science- Kinect
Big Park - Kinect
MS Victoria - Unknown project
Soho Productions - Kinect
Lift London - Multiple cloud gaming based productions
MS Los Angeles - Next generation core Title

So realistically the teams working on next gen core titles are:

Rare
343
Lionhead
Turn 10
Black Tusk
MS Los Angeles

You do know how why this pales in comparison to Nintendo's and Sony's first party studios working on core titles for next gen?

This just in: Indie games and small titles aren't actually games. Disregard all Knack fanboys from now on!

This is how it looks to a sane, unbiased person:

343 Industries- Games
Lionhead- Games
Turn 10- Games
Twisted Pixel- Games
Black Tusk- Games
Press Play- Games
Good Science- Games
Big Park - Games
MS Victoria - Unknown project
Soho Productions - Games
Lift London - Games
MS Los Angeles - Games

Microsoft not focusing on games! You heard it here first!

I'm not sure what problems you have with his post, I'm not getting much radically different looking at the Wiki.

It's fanatically biased.

 

[Baconsammy]

So you would deny the humongous damage inflicted upon Halo and Gears? The beginning of stagnancy in Forza, the fall of Lionhead and Rare? And where do you stand on their online service, does having a service inferior to both PSN and Steam despite it being paid, fare well for the beginning of the new generation? Naturally I assume, you are also under the impression that Kinect's overwhelming lack of software certainly does not leave it in any form of position to be a selling point in this new generation.

So what positives can we reap from Microsoft given their current standing? What is it that's going to give them the advantageous start to the new generation, from their current position in third place?

It's like I'm reading a third graders fanfic. Now do one where you 'ship Lucy and Peppermint Patty.

why the fuck am i replying to you ?

It took you long enough to get to the most relevant question. =)

 

[bidguy]

So you would deny the humongous damage inflicted upon Halo and Gears? The beginning of stagnancy in Forza, the fall of Lionhead and Rare? And where do you stand on their online service, does having a service inferior to both PSN and Steam despite it being paid, fare well for the beginning of the new generation?

halo 4 was fantastic. the mp was the only thing that was shit. cant say anything about gearsj because i have yet to play it but it was made by an entirely different studio and they tried to change the formula a bit. i expected nothing great from it. how the hell is forza "stagnating" ? how is xbl inferior to psn or steam and why the fuck am i replying to you ?

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Not really, I have made a remarkably reasonable post and a counter argument has yet to been seen.

It's remarkable all right.

 

[R3TRO]

Why the fuck am i replying to you ?

This is the real question.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I wish you guys made gifts and focused on positive stuff more often then crying about MS doesn't love you anymore.

 

[HigherLevel]

How do you feel about Microsoft ending their partnership with Epic?

This is based on what?

 

[tfur]

343 Industries- Halo
Lionhead- Fable
Turn 10- Forza
Twisted Pixel- XBL and Kinect
Black Tusk- New studio, so probably new IP to rival Halo franchise. FPS?
Press Play- Indie dev with only 20 employees so I'm guessing XBL titles.
Good Science- Kinect
Big Park - Kinect
MS Victoria - Unknown project
Soho Productions - Kinect
Lift London - Multiple cloud gaming based productions
MS Los Angeles - Next generation core Title

So realistically the teams working on next gen core titles are:

Rare
343
Lionhead
Turn 10
Black Tusk
MS Los Angeles

You do know how why this pales in comparison to Nintendo's and Sony's first party studios working on core titles for next gen?

Kinect Action, The Fable of GearsofForzalo

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I'd much prefer quality over quantity when it comes to exclusives. Sony released way more exclusives back in 2011 then MS but I liked Gears 3 way more then anything Sony put out that year.

I love Gears but man was 3 boring. I actually liked 2 way more though its vilified on gaf.

Whoa is that Connor post real? You would deny...

 

[Klocker]

So we are still at the "XBOX 1.5" stage i see. Cool.

yep


every Xbox thread, same 12 posters coming in and trying to tamp down any hopes, diminish positive news and make the gap appear to be huge.


just like the old 2005-06 days "the powa of cell!"


screw the 21st I can't wait to see games side by side and the reality that there is a really only a small gap in real world and that MOST people will never be able to tell the differences without being told

 

[R3TRO]

I love Gears but man was 3 boring. I actually liked 2 way more though its vilified on gaf.

I agree, Gears 3 turned me away from the series.

 

[CorrisD]

Yep, and they've been the number once console in the US for 2+ years straight since. If the goal was to fulfill the illogical wishes of gaming forum posters, he failed. If it's to run a successful business and produce yearly profits, he's doing pretty good.

This is really why I personally wouldn't be surprised if the earlier leaked specifics end up being mostly correct like they were for the PS4, throw in a juiced up Kinect too, it was built as an entertainment device for the general masses not as some hardcore games machine.

It is quite evident from where they have taken the 360 to their original plan for the Xbox, they want to take control of the living room and gaming has been their way in, they might be competing with Sony and Nintendo with gaming but it is Apple and Google who they are trying to beat to the punch. These companies want to become your entertainment providers, not just where you play games.

I fully expect games will be mostly the same on either platform regardless of which is more powerful because that is what most developers are like, they aren't magical, and some are just lazy with some of the things we've seen this generation. So if the rumours come true with the 1.2tf nextbox it will be where they spend their effort, and I expect ports to PS4 which is where they will probably spend less time to make everything acceptable because technically it supposedly more powerful.

I love Gears but man was 3 boring. I actually liked 2 way more though its vilified on gaf.

Same here, Gears 1 and 2 were pretty damn fine games, Gears 3 just seemed totally style of substance and I found it to be quite boring.

 

[benny_a]

You said that their "online service is the most inferior." I mean how the fuck do you even expect people to take that seriously? Are you trying to say it's inferior because you have to pay for it? I guess that makes sense in some strange way, but the UI (I don't give a fuck about ads), cross-game chat, more stable infrastructure, friends list stuff. etc. all make it the best service out there compared to other consoles by a long shot.

While you don't give a fuck about ads others might.
You might not mind that you have to pay others do.
Maybe he compares paying on both?

It depends how he came to the conclusion and what he values.

If you take pure functionality (cross-game chat, universal invites, CDN across the globe) then 360 has a stronger network than PS3.

I love Gears but man was 3 boring. I actually liked 2 way more though its vilified on gaf.

Whoa is that Connor post real? You would deny...

I liked Gears 3 a lot. Didn't care much for Gears 2. (Pure campaign for me though.)

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

yep


every Xbox thread, same 12 posters coming in and trying to tamp down any hopes, diminish positive news and make the gap appear to be huge.


just like the old 2005-06 days "the powa of cell!"
I

screw the 21st I can't wait to see games side by side and the reality that there is a really only a small gap in real world and that MOST people will never be able to tell the differences without being told

Don't give it much thought there are plenty of us that are excited and have every reason to be.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

it was built as an entertainment device for the general masses not as some hardcore games machine.

This is true of the 360, PS3 and PS4 as well.

 

[Izick]

While you don't give a fuck about ads others might.
You might not mind that you have to pay others do.
Maybe he compares paying on both?

It depends how he came to the conclusion and what he values.

If you take pure functionality (cross-game chat, universal invites, CDN across the globe) then 360 has a stronger network than PS3.

Exactly, so saying the 360 has the worst online network is asinine. He should have prefaced it with saying that he doesn't like it because of the ads or paying. He made it seem like it was of a lesser quality than the others, which it isn't.

 

[Baconsammy]

This is true of the 360, PS3 and PS4 as well.

Surely you're not implying that the "everything" in "It Only Does Everything" is referring to something other than games? Shock!

But yeah, the goal of everyone is to own the living room. Even Nintendo tried to do that with TVii.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I wish you guys made gifts and focused on positive stuff more often then crying about MS doesn't love you anymore.

Yeah, it's tiring, but a direct result of no show from MS after three months of straight positivity resulting from the slow-dissipating afterglow of February's PS4 presentation. A console fan's mind can be bent on the attack or defense given such contrast in feelings about the future. Because there's so much currently unknown/unconfirmed with all of these rumors and bits of evidence with incomplete context flying around, it's really an 'I'm rubber, you're glue' relationship with every other unanswered question left to ask. MS will probably lay most of the negativity to rest on the 21st. I think they know how much their first impression matters in light of its renewed competition with Sony for mindshare. Early-gen MS certainly has been regularly impressive for the core gamer with the first two XBOXes.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I like how your post mostly goes on assumption as to what they are working on, in order to downplay. Funny. Also Big Park is rumored to be working on a AAA ip for durango.

No. I posted what each studio had previously worked on, it was only for the new studios that I looked at rumours.

Big Park worked on Joyride and Kinect season two so I put them down as for kinect.

Now anything that is XBLA or Kinect related can't be a "core game"? Ugh.

Also what about the Victoria and London projects made you decide they shouldn't be on the second list? So zero info means that there's no chance they're making a next-gen game? That makes no sense.

1st party Retail exclusives 9 times out of ten are more important than first party XBL titles in attracting gamers buy a system.

Kinect games are not core lol.

Could not find anything on Victoria so did not include.
Lift making cloud based gaming stuff doesn't sound core but we can include it if you want.

This just in: Indie games and small titles aren't actually games. Disregard all Knack fanboys from now on!

This is how it looks to a sane, unbiased person:

343 Industries- Games
Lionhead- Games
Turn 10- Games
Twisted Pixel- Games
Black Tusk- Games
Press Play- Games
Good Science- Games
Big Park - Games
MS Victoria - Unknown project
Soho Productions - Games
Lift London - Games
MS Los Angeles - Games

Microsoft not focusing on games! You heard it here first!

Generalising I see. All I did was add a bit of context to those games.

 

[netBuff]

I fully expect games will be mostly the same on either platform regardless of which is more powerful because that is what most developers are like, they aren't magical, and some are just lazy with some of the things we've seen this generation. So if the rumours come true with the 1.2tf nextbox it will be where they spend their effort, and I expect ports to PS4 which is where they will probably spend less time to make everything acceptable because technically it supposedly more powerful.

The problem for MS is the fact that the supposed spec difference is pretty massive, 50% more FLOPS for PS4 is nothing to sneer at. We will see this reflected in games, just like the original Xbox had many great ports of PS2 titles.

Contrary to what baconsammys hopes, I do think specs matter to a certain extent in the "real world", especially in today's market of smartphone wars: People want to buy a machine they perceive as being "powerful", especially when there isn't much of a cost difference.

yep


every Xbox thread, same 12 posters coming in and trying to tamp down any hopes, diminish positive news and make the gap appear to be huge.


just like the old 2005-06 days "the powa of cell!"


screw the 21st I can't wait to see games side by side and the reality that there is a really only a small gap in real world and that MOST people will never be able to tell the differences without being told

This is pure wishful thinking, the difference is massive and will most certainly be apparent in the "real world".

 

[Hindle]

I love Gears but man was 3 boring. I actually liked 2 way more though its vilified on gaf.

Whoa is that Connor post real? You would deny...

I think 2011 was the year where fatigue set in for first party development for all the consoles. It's been terrible ever since. Which is why I don't understand the hate for MS or get the abandoning the core arguement.

 

[Respawn]

sure. If you want to believe that go for it.

back on topic: Really excited to see the Respawn game.

Understand I was speaking of Rare not the 1st party studios as a whole.

 

[Bleedorang3]

The problem for MS is the fact that the supposed spec difference is pretty massive, 50% more FLOPS for PS4 is nothing to sneer at. We will see this reflected in games, just like the original Xbox had many great ports of PS2 titles.

Contrary to what baconsammys hopes, I do think specs matter to a certain extent in the "real world", especially in today's market of smartphone wars: People want to buy a machine they perceive as being "powerful", especially when there isn't much of a cost difference.



This is pure wishful thinking, the difference is massive and will most certainly be apparent in the "real world".

Maybe, we'll see. If so, honestly, I don't think anyone will care (statistically). Content and features are what's gonna sell this gen, not a slight difference in graphics or framerate between two photorealistic games.

 

[Klocker]

This is pure wishful thinking, the difference is massive and will most certainly be apparent in the "real world".

there you go again

 

[Baconsammy]

The problem for MS is the fact that the supposed spec difference is pretty massive, 50% more FLOPS for PS4 is nothing to sneer at. We will see this reflected in games, just like the original Xbox had many great ports of PS2 titles.

Contrary to what baconsammys hopes, I do think specs matter to a certain extent in the "real world", especially in today's market of smartphone wars: People want to buy a machine they perceive as being "powerful", especially when there isn't much of a cost difference.

Large power differences matter. I agree with that. But when you're talking minor differences, and stuff like GDDR5 vs 3, consumers aren't going to care. They're going to go where the content they want is. 3DS is clobbering the Vita. Wii demolished PS3/ 360 despite being weak. It has Wii Sports though. I realize I sound like a broken record, but content is king.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Kinect games are not core lol.

What about Ryse? That game looks pretty core to me. Also Child of Eden, The Gunstringer, Fable The Journey, and Crimson Dragon?

Its easy for people to point to Kinectimals and say its not for core games but it does have some good games out.

 

[Bleedorang3]

Generalising I see. All I did was add a bit of context to those games.

Are they not games? I'm sorry if you don't like Kinect or Indie/Arcade games, but huge amounts of people do: Kids, working adults, wives/girlfriends, non-"core" gamers (whatever the fuck "core" means).

Pretending like "hardcore" gamers is some huge mass market that Microsoft and Sony should be chasing is quite OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Anecdotally, whoever provides the most fun experiences that I can have with my non-gamer girlfriend and my friends, while also delivering immersive "core" experiences to me gets my money. Microsoft seems to realize this, and I'm sure Sony do also, but you wouldn't know it from the frothing fanboys on this forum who spout inane stuff like "Sony is only focused on the hardcore" and "KINECT ADS KINECT ADS".

 

[rigel137]

Generalising I see. All I did was add a bit of my preference to those games.

ftfy

 

[Izick]

ftfy

Pretty much.

 

[Baconsammy]

Pretty much.

Stop changing avatars, dummy. I get confused.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Large power differences matter. I agree with that. But when you're talking minor differences, and stuff like GDDR5 vs 3, consumers aren't going to care. They're going to go where the content they want is. 3DS is clobbering the Vita. Wii demolished PS3/ 360 despite being weak. It has Wii Sports though. I realize I sound like a broken record, but content is king.

What is with you and posting this logical shit?! Content doesn't matter, it's all about the GDDRs and TFLOPS!

It's pretty much the reason

1. Xbox outsold PS2 and had more games
2. Vita is straight walking over 3DS
3. N64 owned PSX
4. NeoGeo creamed the SNES/Genesis

Content doesn't mean crap, it's all about dem graphics yo.

 

[Izick]

Stop changing avatars, dummy. I get confused.

Sorry, I was inspired by the OG Xbox thread.

 

[benny_a]

Are they not games?

There is a difference between making arguments for the industry, how popular something is going to be, how profitable it will be and how much it speaks to me.

To me the vast majority of Kinect games are shit. The vast majority of carnival and party games for Wii and Move are shit.

I wouldn't not call them games, but I also would also not be surprised if they weren't celebrated on NeoGAF.com

Look at the games that win game of the year on this forum for the last 6 years and you will know what is considered "core."
So if you want more of that and one publisher doesn't deliver, they are not celebrated here.
That doesn't mean that individuals can't have varying opinions on what they consider good, but a trend is very obvious if you look at the data.

I personally do think that MS will bring it again on the 21st and May, but to feign ignorance what is liked on this forum (and this forum talks about what this forum likes, outside of sales threads) seems strange.

 

[KAL2006]

343 Industries- Halo
Lionhead- Fable
Turn 10- Forza
Twisted Pixel- XBL and Kinect
Black Tusk- New studio, so probably new IP to rival Halo franchise. FPS?
Press Play- Indie dev with only 20 employees so I'm guessing XBL titles.
Good Science- Kinect
Big Park - Kinect
MS Victoria - Unknown project
Soho Productions - Kinect
Lift London - Multiple cloud gaming based productions
MS Los Angeles - Next generation core Title

So realistically the teams working on next gen core titles are:

Rare
343
Lionhead
Turn 10
Black Tusk
MS Los Angeles

You do know how why this pales in comparison to Nintendo's and Sony's first party studios working on core titles for next gen?

Lets start a list war . I am going to list games I think that studio is working on

RARE Team 2 - AAA game (I assume another team makes Kinect games)
Microsoft LA - AAA game
343 - Halo 5
Turn 10 - Forza 5
Black Tusk - Futuristic shooter
Lionhead - Fable MMO
Crytek - Ryse (3rd party exclusive)
Remedy - Alan Wake 2 (MS don't own IP, 3rd party exclusive)
Respawn - Titan (MS don't own IP, 3rd party exclusive)
Plus more studios like Twisted Pixel, Big Park and etc that make Kinect or XBLA games


Guerilla Games - Killzone Shadowfall
Sucker Punch - inFamous Second Son
Sony Japan - Knack
Evolution - DriveClub
Quantic Dreams - Cinematic game
Team Ico - The Last Guardian
Santa Monica - New AAA IP
Santa Monica Team 2 - God of War 4
Guerilla Games Team 2 - The Order, Fantasy RPG
Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4
Naughty Dog Team 2 - Last of Us 2 or New IP
Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6
Media Molecule - LittleBigUniverse
San Diego - MLB
SOE - Planetside 2 port
Ready at Dawn - AAA action adventure game (3rd party exclusive)
Square Enix - Final Fantasy XV or Versus - (Sony don't own the IP, 3rd party exclusive)
Plus more studios like Bend, Zindagi, London and etc that make Vita, PSN or Move games

In the end its all about quality and not quantity though. This is why Sony got rid of developers of Starhawk, Twisted Metal, Playstation Allstars, MAG and etc. shame they got rid off WipeOut developers though.

 

[jaypah]

Sweet, list wars. I can smell the napalm.

 

[Baconsammy]

What is with you and posting this logical shit?! Content doesn't matter, it's all about the GDDRs and TFLOPS!

It's pretty much the reason

1. Xbox outsold PS2 and had more games
2. Vita is straight walking over 3DS
3. N64 owned PSX
4. NeoGeo creamed the SNES/Genesis

Content doesn't mean crap, it's all about dem graphics yo.

You straight trippin', boo.

 

[Alx]

What is with you and posting this logical shit?! Content doesn't matter, it's all about the GDDRs and TFLOPS!

At least when we were fighting with polygon numbers, we had a vague idea of how 1 million polys looked compared to 10 millions (and it was already mostly pointless at the time).
But honestly who knows how many TFlops or how much RAM bandwidth a game like, say, a next gen GTA would require ? All those spec numbers are now too big to have a real practical meaning.

 

[netBuff]

Large power differences matter. I agree with that. But when you're talking minor differences, and stuff like GDDR5 vs 3, consumers aren't going to care. They're going to go where the content they want is. 3DS is clobbering the Vita. Wii demolished PS3/ 360 despite being weak. It has Wii Sports though. I realize I sound like a broken record, but content is king.

And if this rumour turns out to be true, Sony will have a great advantage in content (in addition to the fact that their first-party output tends to be held in higher regard than Microsofts - but of course, that could change) and a great advantage in specs for their core selling point (= video games) they can leverage against Microsoft.

I think specifications will turn out to be a not insignificant factor (maybe more of a minor point for a more mainstream audience, which will consider available games as their first concern): There's a reason companies like Samsung and Apple like to tout how fast their processors are (of course, consumers often also have false impression of their devices performance).

While I agree with you, I think the fact that these consoles will launch side-by-side is going to increase the importance of relative spec comparisons the tech press will be sure to provide.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

You straight trippin', boo.

I agree but their the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have a powerful console and have great content in which case its a win win situation.

 

[artist]

Sweet, list wars. I can smell the napalm.

Last few pages have been gold.

 

[Baconsammy]

I agree but their the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have a powerful console and have great content in which case its a win win situation.

Without question.

 

[Bleedorang3]

There is a difference between making arguments for the industry, how popular something is going to be, how profitable it will be and how much it speaks to me.

To me the vast majority of Kinect games are shit. The vast majority of carnival and party games for Wii and Move are shit.

I wouldn't not call them games, but I also would also not be surprised if they weren't celebrated on NeoGAF.com

Look at the games that win game of the year on this forum for the last 6 years and you will know what is considered "core."
So if you want more of that and one publisher doesn't deliver, they are not applauded.

I personally do think that MS will bring it again on the 21st and May, but to feign ignorance what is liked on this forum (and this forum talks about what this forum likes, outside of sales threads) seems strange.

Games are games. We can have an intelligent discussion on whether or not they're going to sell the platform to X demographic or not. We can also have an intelligent discussion on whether or not NeoGAF (arguably "core" gamers) would like them or not, but these are two completely different discussions.

Outright disregarding games that will be available at launch because they don't fit into some nebulous "core" game description is disingenuous at best, and fanboyish at worst. Both MS and Sony are trying to sell their boxes to as many people as possible, to pretend otherwise is foolish.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720

Is this confirmed? I can´t see MS releasing later than the PS4. Is it also confirmed that Durango is having heating issues?

 

[Baconsammy]

Is this confirmed? I can´t see MS releasing later than the PS4. Is it also confirmed that Durango is having heating issues?

Confirmed by Kotaku, and then ridiculed by Pachter: