Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)

diaspora said:
I wouldn't trust Sakamoto with the game anyway. If it was between him and nothing, I'm not sure where I'd fall.
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...So then, again, assuming Retro isn't working on it, you would rather Metroid remain dormant? Otherwise your expectations for how Nintendo is supposed to handle this gets so insanely specific that it's no wonder the fanbase gets so worked up.

I feel like the biggest of Metroid fans have kind of worked themselves into an impossible position thanks to their hyped-up level of expectation. As much as folks would love for Metroid to be a massive top-tier Nintendo franchise and a perennial showpiece for their technology, it just...isn't. Super Metroid was a revelation at the time, Metroid Prime is (to most) a faithful recreation of that feeling in 3-D for the first time. Other than that (and, maybe, the Other M announcement trailer), when has Metroid ever been considered a major market-pusher for Nintendo? How many installments have really come out that have truly satisfied the fanbase?

Again I'm probably coming off in this topic more aggressively than I'd really like to, but I was reading through some of the early impressions in this topic shortly after the Digital Event ended and it felt like people have completely lost perspective.
 
Heavy's Sandvich said:
Feels like Metroid fans have become the new Mega Man fans.

Not willing to make up my mind on the game based on a few moments in a presentation.

I will say that the prospect of coop metroid with friends sounds like a great game in theory.
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You mean fans of a dieing series, upset that it's dieing? I remember fans being pretty excited for MML3 and tentatively excited for Mega Man Universe, before it all got canceled.

Or do you mean fans wanting the series to at least keep some of what made them fans in the first place? Because in that case, yeah, that Mega Man reboot deserved to be hated on.
 
GrotesqueBeauty said:
I love how offhandedly people dismiss the man at the helm of Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid Zero Mission. All because of one awkward misstep. The funny thing is Other M, flawed as it is, still isn't nearly as bad as it's often painted. I'd go so far as to say it got some important elements right that the Prime series failed to translate into 3D.

Not to mention Sakamoto originally intended for Other M to be 2.5D until Team Ninja pushed for something else. The end result was an uneasy compromise no one asked for. You can blame Sakamoto for a bad script, but I don't think the blame for Other M's shortcomings falls entirely at his feet, especially if you look at his output over several decades versus Team Ninja's output post-Itagaki.

But sure, let's shit on an industry legend all because "the baby". :p
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I think it's totally fair to call Sakamoto a hack fraud. Other M is a deeply troubling game (I'm honestly surprised Nintendo was willing to publish it considering some of its sexist implications), and Sakamoto famously had complete control over those most offensive aspects. I can only assume he would have ruined all of those other games you mentioned if he had the cutscenes technology.

And I mean I don't like Other M's art style or gameplay much either, but the story is what makes it go from mediocre to terrible and offensive.
 
The best part is how this is called Metroid Prime, yet outside the Federation trooper designs looks nothing like Metroid Prime.

What a fucking joke. This is the sort of announcement you expect from Capcom, not Nintendo.
 
What a strange move, I think the game would have been better recieved if there was confirmation of a new mainline title in the works.

I don't think people are mad that a spinoff exists as Mario Kart and Mario Party are technically spinoffs, they're upset that it's been years without a mainline title and all we get is a spinoff, which MK and MP didn't do.

That would be like waiting years for a new Banjo Kazooie and when we get it, it turns out to be a shitty spinoff like a kart building game rather than the game we've been waiting for.

Man that sure would suck...




:/
 
GrotesqueBeauty said:
I love how offhandedly people dismiss the man at the helm of Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid Zero Mission. All because of one awkward misstep. The funny thing is Other M, flawed as it is, still isn't nearly as bad as it's often painted. I'd go so far as to say it got some important elements right that the Prime series failed to translate into 3D.

Not to mention Sakamoto originally intended for Other M to be 2.5D until Team Ninja pushed for something else. The end result was an uneasy compromise no one asked for. You can blame Sakamoto for a bad script, but I don't think the blame for Other M's shortcomings falls entirely at his feet, especially if you look at his output over several decades versus Team Ninja's output post-Itagaki.

But sure, let's shit on an industry legend all because "the baby". :p
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When the only Metroid game he's worked on in the past decade is fucking terrible, yeah, I'll dismiss the stuff he's made 13+ years ago.
 
Doorman said:
How many installments have really come out that have truly satisfied the fanbase?

Again I'm probably coming off in this topic more aggressively than I'd really like to, but I was reading through some of the early impressions in this topic shortly after the Digital Event ended and it felt like people have completely lost perspective.
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Metroid 1, 2, Super, Prime 1, Prime 2, Prime 3, Fusion are all well received games.
 
Heavy's Sandvich said:
Feels like Metroid fans have become the new Mega Man fans.
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Great game or greatest game?
 
Beelzebufo said:
Are you saying Wind Waker is a spinoff? Because it captures the look and feel of LoZ regardless, arguably better than any of the 3D Zelda's.
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No, but how about Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures, eh? Or Hyrule Warriors? Or Link's Crossbow Training? Or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland?

Because those were VERY different than something like Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, or any other main title.

This is a spin-off, like Dissidia or Theatrythm are to Final Fantasy.

People saying I've gone off the rails when I feel like I'm the only one NOT viewing it as "the next big Metroid" game. Whatever.

*goes back to playing Metroid Prime Pinball*
 
minor effort said:
The concept of a multiplayer or co-op Metroid seems contrary to the spirit of the series, but to each their own.

I always felt loneliness and isolation defined Metroid.
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I always felt platforming-action defined Mario, but it hasn't stopped that brand from expanding itself into every other thing it possibly can, so long as the setting and characters are still there to a degree.

(And yes, yes, I know already, "no mainline Metroid in 20XX years," I get that...but again, the core Metroid series has only ever had two teams really develop for it. EAD Tokyo, the current "core" Mario house is not also developing Mario Kart, the RPGs, the sports games and the rest. Donkey Kong had nothing before Retro picked it back up. F-Zero still has nothing. Murasame Castle and StarTropics have nothing, Nintendo has a lot of IPs, they can't possibly work on all of them in every generation. Metroid already gets more attention than most, and that's been without an excessive amount of spin-offs up to now.)
 
I'm going to go ahead and be contrary but this could be a reason to be optimistic for Metroid fans. It shows that Nintendo thinks the brand is still viable and marketable, as well as that they're thinking about what they can do with the universe.

I mean, it could be worse. It could be F-Zero.
 
Doorman said:
I always felt platforming-action defined Mario, but it hasn't stopped that brand from expanding itself into every other thing it possibly can, so long as the setting and characters are still there to a degree.

(And yes, yes, I know already, "no mainline Metroid in 20XX years," I get that...but again, the core Metroid series has only ever had two teams really develop for it. EAD Tokyo, the current "core" Mario house is not also developing Mario Kart, the RPGs, the sports games and the rest. Donkey Kong had nothing before Retro picked it back up. F-Zero still has nothing. Murasame Castle and StarTropics have nothing, Nintendo has a lot of IPs, they can't possibly work on all of them in every generation. Metroid already gets more attention than most, and that's been without an excessive amount of spin-offs up to now.)
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You do have a point with some of Nintendo's even-more-neglected franchises. And when it comes down to it, while I'd love to see a new 2D Metroid, the "Metroidvania" genre has exploded in recent years with the ascent of indie gaming, so that helps as well.
 
diaspora said:
When the only Metroid game he's worked on in the past decade is fucking terrible, yeah, I'll dismiss the stuff he's made 13+ years ago.
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I don;t get this. It's not like he was in charge of the game design and layout.

He's totally at fault for presentation and script, but to randomly assign that the guy can't make metroid any more over one fuck up is a lot less leeway than people say for folks with a lot larger fuck up list than he has.
 
Beelzebufo said:
I think it's totally fair to call Sakamoto a hack fraud. Other M is a deeply troubling game (I'm honestly surprised Nintendo was willing to publish it considering some of its sexist implications),.
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stop right there.

Of Samus were a man or Adam a woman the game would be the exact same. Samus' adoration and submission to Adam had nothing to do with her being a woman or him being a man. It had to do with him being a sort of Mentor figure to her in her time with the federation. He usurps her in rank in the current operation. She respects that by listening to his command.
The Varia suit segment is very stupid, but it's a Metroid series gameplay trope at this point, even if the story didn't lend itself to it especially well.
Unless you're going to try to talk about how breaking down at a monster that killed your family that you've killed, killed again, destroyed, and killed again is still somehow alive is weak and feminine.
 
sonto340 said:
stop right there.

Of Samus were a man or Adam a woman the game would be the exact same. Samus' adoration and submission to Adam had nothing to do with her being a woman or him being a man. It had to do with him being a sort of Mentor figure to her in her time with the federation. He usurps her in rank in the current operation. She respects that by listening to his command.
The Varia suit segment is very stupid, but it's a Metroid series gameplay trope at this point, even if the story didn't lend itself to it especially well.
Unless you're going to try to talk about how breaking down at a monster that killed your family that you've killed, killed again, destroyed, and killed again is still somehow alive is weak and feminine.
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This post is fundamentally wrong, even if I don't agree with the post it's quoting.
 
sonto340 said:
stop right there.

Of Samus were a man or Adam a woman the game would be the exact same. Samus' adoration and submission to Adam had nothing to do with her being a woman or him being a man. It had to do with him being a sort of Mentor figure to her in her time with the federation. He usurps her in rank in the current operation. She respects that by listening to his command.
The Varia suit segment is very stupid, but it's a Metroid series gameplay trope at this point, even if the story didn't lend itself to it especially well.
Unless you're going to try to talk about how breaking down at a monster that killed your family that you've killed, killed again, destroyed, and killed again is still somehow alive is weak and feminine.
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No, it's just idiotic when the character has already gone face-to-face with that monster, what? 4 times already?
 
minor effort said:
You do have a point with some of Nintendo's even-more-neglected franchises. And when it comes down to it, while I'd love to see a new 2D Metroid, the "Metroidvania" genre has exploded in recent years with the ascent of indie gaming, so that helps as well.
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I too would love to have a new 2-D Metroid, especially if the alternative were another Metroid Prime in the same style as the first three. I guess the difference with me is that I don't look at Federation Force and somehow draw the conclusion that its existence somehow spits on the rest of the series when the connection is tenuous at most, or that somehow it's blocking the rest of Nintendo's development teams from making a "real" Metroid game.

Again I say all of this thinking it's more likely than not that Retro is making a Metroid-NX that just isn't ready to show yet. But even if they aren't, Federation Force doesn't enrage me for what it isn't. I'll wait for it to get closer to release and then judge it for what it is.
 
zennyzz said:
This post is fundamentally wrong, even if I don't agree with the post it's quoting.
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I'd like to see your points. I never once thought during gameplay that there was any sexism to be had, and my girlfriend who abhors sexism in all its forms thought it was fine.
It wasn't until I got online to discuss the game that the thought even entered my mind.

diaspora said:
No, it's just idiotic when the character has already gone face-to-face with that monster, what? 4 times already?
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The Ridley scene isnt great, yeah. But there's two things worth mentioning.
1. We've never seen how Samus reacts to Ridley. People assume it's nothing and she just wrecks him because the METROID games never really explored Samus as a character.
2. I feel like that's all the MORE reason to freak out. Seriously. Maybe I'm alone in that.

I guess I should say I don't think other M is good at all. I hate it. But the issue of sexism people constantly bring up just doesn't exist.
 
Garlador said:
No, but how about Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures, eh? Or Hyrule Warriors? Or Link's Crossbow Training? Or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland?

Because those were VERY different than something like Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, or any other main title.
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And those games launched in close proximity to a regular Zelda game, while this spin off is the first Metroid in quite some time. Worse still there's no mainline Metroid in the works that we're aware of.
So no it's not the same as Hyrule Warriors, where we had recently received a remake of Wind Waker, and knew a brand new Zelda adventure was in the works.
 
Maybe if the game gets enough backlash Nintendo will go back to the drawing board. Personally, I want to try it, but I think the art is baffling. Metroid on 3DS doesn't need to have chibified models. Xenoblade worked fine. Hyrule Warriors looks fine so far. So why make the art so ugly?
 
Toxi said:
Next year is Metroid's 30th anniversary.

This is how Nintendo is going to celebrate Metroid's 30th anniversary.

Holy shit.

Er, yes he was.
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You got quotes or documents supporting this? Cause his suggestion for it to be in a certain style doesn't denote him having charge over the area layout or mechanics of the game.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
For me, if they JUST had better character designs, I'd be fine with it.
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I would absolutely love the concept of multiplayer mission-based Metroid Prime if the game didn't *look* like complete garbage.

After games on the 3DS like Kid Icarus and Smash Bros. this seriously looks like they're not even trying.
The player models look like they were imported from and N64 game and barely touched up.

Polygons. Polygons everywhere.

This game *sounds* awesome, but the presentation and production values seem like there's just no heart in the project.

Beelzebufo said:
I recommend you look up a good analysis. Other M is the most sexist video game created since Custer's Revenge.
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Ok, Other M was baffling in its portrayal of Samus and how submissive she was, but I don't think I'm comfortable with you putting it on the shelf right next to a game where you tie up and rape Native American women.
 
sonto340 said:
stop right there.

Of Samus were a man or Adam a woman the game would be the exact same. Samus' adoration and submission to Adam had nothing to do with her being a woman or him being a man. It had to do with him being a sort of Mentor figure to her in her time with the federation. He usurps her in rank in the current operation. She respects that by listening to his command.
The Varia suit segment is very stupid, but it's a Metroid series gameplay trope at this point, even if the story didn't lend itself to it especially well.
Unless you're going to try to talk about how breaking down at a monster that killed your family that you've killed, killed again, destroyed, and killed again is still somehow alive is weak and feminine.
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I recommend you look up a good analysis. Other M is the most sexist video game created since Custer's Revenge.

Garlador said:
No, but how about Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures, eh? Or Hyrule Warriors? Or Link's Crossbow Training? Or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland?

Because those were VERY different than something like Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, or any other main title.

This is a spin-off, like Dissidia or Theatrythm are to Final Fantasy.

People saying I've gone off the rails when I feel like I'm the only one NOT viewing it as "the next big Metroid" game. Whatever.

*goes back to playing Metroid Prime Pinball*
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I don't think any of those games are as different as this is from Metroid, except maybe Tingle. And tingle doesn't have "Zelda" in the title.
 
I can get not liking the gameplay or the art style, but I think the graphics complaints are early.

Is there a single 3DS game that does look good on any screen besides the 3ds'? It's always a big pleasant surprise when I first play a new game on 3DS and get to see it for real, because Youtube videos just never do it justice.
 
sonto340 said:
stop right there.

Of Samus were a man or Adam a woman the game would be the exact same. Samus' adoration and submission to Adam had nothing to do with her being a woman or him being a man. It had to do with him being a sort of Mentor figure to her in her time with the federation. He usurps her in rank in the current operation. She respects that by listening to his command.
The Varia suit segment is very stupid, but it's a Metroid series gameplay trope at this point, even if the story didn't lend itself to it especially well.
Unless you're going to try to talk about how breaking down at a monster that killed your family that you've killed, killed again, destroyed, and killed again is still somehow alive is weak and feminine.
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Which is why Mario cries every time he fights Bowser again, and why Batman has a meltdown every time the Joker pops up back from certain death, and why Cloud spent a full minute sobbing hysterically in Advent Children when Sephiroth re-emerged....

... Regardless of gender, it was stupid. Factoring in the "feminine" themes of the game (obsession of "the baby", themes of motherhood, wanting to feel "delicate" when Adam calls her "lady", she was picked on because of her gender, NOT because she's a half-alien superhuman raised by bird creature), it's a grossly unfortunate implication, intentional or not.

I simply don't see any of Nintendo's male heroes, or most "badass" male heroes in fiction in general, having protracted, minute-long sob sessions in front of the arch-nemesis they aggressively blew up in every last prior encounter.
 
The thing about this game is that I just don't care about it and Next Level could be doing something a lot more interesting and exciting than something that at best could be described as "neat".

It's a complete platform mismatch. It's an ip mismatch and it's a timing/release window mismatch.

Toxi said:
Next year is Metroid's 30th anniversary.

This is how Nintendo is going to celebrate Metroid's 30th anniversary.
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Kickstarter

By the way, I'll only mention this is passing but Sakamoto's team had never before done a 3d game (hence Team Ninja's involvement). And whatever your opinion of Other M is, I guarantee you a "sequel" (could even be a 2d game) would fix most of it's problems. Both mechanically and cinematically based on player feedback and experience.
 
sonto340 said:
I'd like to see your points. I never once thought during gameplay that there was any sexism to be had, and my girlfriend who abhors sexism in all its forms thought it was fine.
It wasn't until I got online to discuss the game that the thought even entered my mind.
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trying to appeal to some indescribable authority doesn't make your point any more valid, and i never brought up sexism as the defined issue of contension with your statement. Though it is cute that you assume so.

I mean Other M is sexist, but it's bad without even having to rely on that point
 
Shock and horror. A 3DS game with bounty hunters turns out to be a multiplayer game with bounty hunters.

I'm a little crestfallen, yes, but I wouldn't consider this some ultimate betrayal of the series. They want to spin this thing off into something that people can get into on handhelds.

If they want to make an atmospheric/exploration epic, they won't be doing it on the 3DS.
 
sonto340 said:
I'd like to see your points. I never once thought during gameplay that there was any sexism to be had, and my girlfriend who abhors sexism in all its forms thought it was fine.
It wasn't until I got online to discuss the game that the thought even entered my mind.


The Ridley scene isnt great, yeah. But there's two things worth mentioning.
1. We've never seen how Samus reacts to Ridley. People assume it's nothing and she just wrecks him because the METROID games never really explored Samus as a character.
2. I feel like that's all the MORE reason to freak out. Seriously. Maybe I'm alone in that.

I guess I should say I don't think other M is good at all. I hate it. But the issue of sexism people constantly bring up just doesn't exist.
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I don't think the game is sexist, I don't think Samus having PTSD from the whole murderizing thing is unreasonable. I just don't think it made sense for it to happen 4 battles later. PSTD in a flashback, sure, but not in a battle taking place between Metroid 3 and 4.

Junahu said:
Shock and horror. A 3DS game with bounty hunters turns out to be a multiplayer game with bounty hunters.

I'm a little crestfallen, yes, but I wouldn't consider this some ultimate betrayal of the series. They want to spin this thing off into something that people can get into on handhelds.

If they want to make an atmospheric/exploration epic, they won't be doing it on the 3DS.
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I don't think Federation soldiers are bounty hunters... More like ODSTs.
 
I just read the title of this thread and then realised; We get this instead of a new Mario Strikers game.
Next Level, I am dissapoint!
I am really mad!
 
Junahu said:
Shock and horror. A 3DS game with bounty hunters turns out to be a multiplayer game with bounty hunters.

I'm a little crestfallen, yes, but I wouldn't consider this some ultimate betrayal of the series. They want to spin this thing off into something that people can get into on handhelds.

If they want to make an atmospheric/exploration epic, they won't be doing it on the 3DS.
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They aren't bounty hunters though?
 
Beelzebufo said:
I recommend you look up a good analysis. Other M is the most sexist video game created since Custer's Revenge.


I don't think any of those games are as different as this is from Metroid, except maybe Tingle. And tingle doesn't have "Zelda" in the title.
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I assure you I've seen them and again Samus being a woman is circumstantial to all arguments. If she were a man it'd be fine, regular Japanese kōhai/senpai relationship. But she's a woman so that means she must be being submissive because she's a woman. Not because she has incredible redirect for her mentor.
But I'm aware this isn't a popular opinion so I'll just quit now
 
Beelzebufo said:
I recommend you look up a good analysis. Other M is the most sexist video game created since Custer's Revenge.
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... I hate the game too.

Beelzebufo said:
I don't think any of those games are as different as this is from Metroid, except maybe Tingle. And tingle doesn't have "Zelda" in the title.
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Really? You don't think an overhead, cartoony, score-driven, cel-shaded, single-level progression, competitive multiplayer Zelda game that resets your progress every level, compared to 3D Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask, is less different than what looks, like to me, a co-op Metroid Prime Hunters?
 
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