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[Auto_aim1]

They created the conditions for games to not sell that well on Xbox. Do you remember the 360 era? Xbox owners gobbled up games during that time.

 

[RoboFu]

Prove as in fading into obscurity because it has no identity ... I don't think I can support your claim OP.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

I'll tell you what, I didnt buy a Playstation for 3rd party games; I bought it for exclusives, the controller, the PSVR headset and the Portal. Having 3rd party support from all the major publishers in the gaming industry, including Microsoft...is the cherry on top.

 

[Baemono]

They had nothing people cared about. You gotta have franchised people are willing to buy consoles for.

If you're talking about the Saturn, it was very successful in Japan (sold like 6 million there - as much as the PS5 now) with a lot of good IPs that never made it to the west due partially to Sega of Japan and Sega of America arguing about what game to be localized

 

[kpopSuperstar]

If you're talking about the Saturn, it was very successful in Japan (sold like 6 million there - as much as the PS5 now) with a lot of good IPs that never made it to the west due partially to Sega of Japan and Sega of America arguing about what game to be localized

PS5 has not sold big in Japan, 6 million is not great, the Saturn was a big flop.

But I was mainly talking about why Sega couldn't survive as a console maker.

 

[Felessan]

That's quite funny when Nintendo are dominating the market and they are still using the exact word "exclusive" in their Nintendo Directs.

They are in their own niche of selling children toys. Quite successful but mostly irrelevant to the rest of the market.
Video games market dominated by others (Nin is even smaller than MS there)

 

[MMaRsu]

They are in their own niche of selling children toys. Quite successful but mostly irrelevant to the rest of the market.
Video games market dominated by others (Nin is even smaller than MS there)

Haha what a stupid childish opinion

 

[Baemono]

PS5 has not sold big in Japan, 6 million is not great, the Saturn was a big flop.

6 million for Japan is not a flop, the Saturn sold more than the Mega Drive, N64, Game Cube or Wii U, and they killed it after only 4 years to release the dreamcast,

The flop was in the rest of the world, as they only sold 5 million

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Good joke thread

 

[Lunarorbit]

Wrongo bongo

 

[rofif]

lol the only thing that Microsoft is proving is that subscription makes no sense and they failed at making good exclusives

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Yet Indiana Jones is selling gangbusters.

On PS5.

 

[Felessan]

Haha what a stupid childish opinion

Childish is what Nintendo makes
Nintendo is only at 12 bln revenue, MS at ~20 bn, Sony at 30bn
Nin nowhere near "dominating" market just because they sold a bit more cheap toys

 

[Little Chicken]

And it's their most profitable gen ever, they dominate the console-market and they're running Xbox into the ground while Xbox is highly dependent on their game sales on Playstation.

Must be frustrating to witness, huh?

Must be frustrating for the casuals who are still paying premiums for last gen games

 

[Shmunter]

Exclusives are the lifeblood of an eco system. And in gaming, games, always the games.

 

[Melfice7]

Nintendo and Sony were doing fine with exclusives, Sony started porting to pc because they probably didnt want to be left behind in case of a sudden market shift, they didnt actually needed it

Microsoft is the black sheep of the industry, dont lump the others with them

 

[clarky]

Looking at the sales of Indy seems like their games aren't viable on other platforms either.

 

[hemo memo]

Exclusives are getting out of hand honestly. I mean Monument Valley 3 is exclusive to Netflix. Are you kidding me?

 

[Kotaro]

Childish is what Nintendo makes
Nintendo is only at 12 bln revenue, MS at ~20 bn, Sony at 30bn
Nin nowhere near "dominating" market just because they sold a bit more cheap toys

Revenue is never the goal, profit is. Nintendo made 3X more profit than Sony

 

[BlackTron]

Why would a third party publisher release an exclusive game unless it was moneyhatted? Didn't we already know this?

 

[SSfox]

For Xbox probably. Not for PlayStation.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Or Sony. They are doing just fine. Their PC sales are so low that I dont know why they even bother.

So out of the Big 3, the one at 3rd place is the only one who went multiplatform. Figures.

This. Sony are making money on third party games more than ever, because their hardware, ecosystem and controllers are great. Their strategy to publish their games elsewhere (Steam mainly) and what goes with it (almost no more risky AA games, only either GAAS or AAA 3st person shooters/open-world) is right now a failure.

 

[Felessan]

Revenue is never the goal, profit is. Nintendo made 3X more profit than Sony

In terms of market share it's revenue (=share of total pie) that matters. It's much harder to gain market share than to increase profit, cost cutting quite straightforward process, winning others market share is not.

PS. And no, Nintendo did not make X3 profit of Sony, shrinking revenue had a heavy toll on Nin

 

[BlackTron]

They are in their own niche of selling children toys. Quite successful but mostly irrelevant to the rest of the market.
Video games market dominated by others (Nin is even smaller than MS there)

There is something so terribly cringe about someone parsing out toy video games from non-toy video games.

Groan

 

[StereoVsn]

That would have the opposite result. PC players would be less likely to buy a PS.

Imagine if Nintendo starting porting their older games to PS5. You think that would make PS5 owners more likely to pick up a Switch? No, they'll just wait for the newer games to get ported.

Yep, it basically gives a lot less incentives for someone to buy a next PS console because we know that Sony is likely to release their games on PC in couple of years anyway.

And there are so many games constantly coming out and came out during last 10 years, it's not like PC gamers have droughts.

Personally I think this is a shortsighted decision on Sony's part caused by accountants running the company now looking at quarterly/yearly results vs long term strategy. The $700mil in revenue or so they got for the ports over last 4-5 years is nothing compared to potential lost long term sales of both consoles and software (1st party and 3rd party cut).

Of course as a mainly PC gamer I welcome it as I didn't get PS5 Pro, won't likely get PS6 (or Xbox Next) and can buy the few games I am interested in on discount.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

They are in their own niche of selling children toys. Quite successful but mostly irrelevant to the rest of the market.
Video games market dominated by others (Nin is even smaller than MS there)

They're so irrelevant that the prevailing rumors suggest that MS and Sony are both doing handhelds in response to the switch. Lol. What a horrible take. Congrats.

 

[PeteBull]

Since I'm a PC only so the more games being non exclusive the better.

Indeed, it makes it so much easier to not buy ps5/pr0 and not have to pay for online, as highend pc gamer u got every microsoft game, most sony games(so far from top ones i only really want and cant play astro and demons souls remaster and we are already 4,5 years into console lifespan) and hell u can even emulate ninny games on top of that, ofc u still can enjoy older games/pc exclusives/emulators and whatever u imagine, all that at best quality and performance
Ofc prices of topend pc hardware arent low, but u basically buying urself jump 3-5years into the future with that and its an option after all, u can always stay at lowend/midrange specs to match consoles and save mountains of money

 

[PeteBull]

Umm .. no.

Exclusives no longer work, only for Xbox. And that's because of:

1. Xbox's shrinking console userbase, and
2. Xbox's customers unwillingness to buy games when compared to PS5's and Nintendo's customers.

There is nothing special going on here. Just one company struggling due to a smaller, non-paying consumer base. That's it.

Its almost like some1 trained those xbox customers to not buy games at launch and instead wait/play them "for free" using subscription service

 

[Kurimao]

 

[Shubh_C63]

I'm convinced that even 10 Years and good exclusives can't propel them to second spot in the industry.
They have found their Zen at third place.

 

[ToadMan]

Look at Indy and Forza exploding on other consoles
Look at Sony making their games available on PC
Look at 3rd parties benefiting from their games being available on every platform
Facts don't lie, exclusively is not worth it anymore
Just don't look at Nintendo

 

[dragonyeuw]

Microsoft's own decisions going back 12 or more years cannibalized their ability to sell enough consoles to largely sustain a healthy exclusive ecosystem. They really, truly did fuck up with Xbox One and because of that had to pivot to Gamepass and PC day/date. All of that led to the reduction in demand for their console, which all apexed with the ABK deal. There's absolutely no way they could wall garden their games after those key strategic moves.

But even just looking at their own titles, most stuff simply isn't hitting the pop culture zeitgeist nowadays. Halo 2 and 3 were absolutely blockbuster hardware selling, Xbox live driving hits in their day. The original Gears Trilogy was a massive collective hit( still great fun today). The respective peaks in those franchises happened 15-20 years ago and the most recent entries simply aren't hitting as hard, and they've let stuff like Perfect Dark and Fable languish on the sidelines too long.

 

[cireza]

They are in their own niche of selling children toys. Quite successful but mostly irrelevant to the rest of the market.
Video games market dominated by others (Nin is even smaller than MS there)

You should have quoted the second part of my post because this is exactly what you are doing.

This tendency to entirely ignore the most successful company on the market to push a narrative is ridiculous.

 

[PeteBull]

I'm convinced that even 10 Years and good exclusives can't propel them to second spot in the industry.
They have found their Zen at third place.

MS did all the right moves with og xbox considering super heavy competition back then, and even upped their game in first half of x360 lifespan, 2nd half of x360 and focus on kinect(not saying it shouldnt be promoted, just company focus should stay on hardcore gamers) marked its downfall, u can tell don matrick then later his good buddy phil fucked up bigtime.
Imagine this guy saying stuff phil does now:

Lets compare it to this badass of xbox ceo:

 

[BlackTron]

I'm convinced that even 10 Years and good exclusives can't propel them to second spot in the industry.
They have found their Zen at third place.

Well, no matter what, somebody has to be third. But there's no rule that third place has to be a failure.

Given ten years, if Microsoft reversed all of the unbelievably stupid ways that they run Xbox, basically fire everybody and start over, they could absolutely reach a healthy profitability where they aren't so embarrassed that they hide numbers, and not need to become a third party in order to pay for game development. Even if they were still "third place".

Of course this is basically an almost impossible scenario. If Microsoft started heading down the right path for four months, then they would panic and reverse course trying to straddle two plans while their PR makes a mockery of themselves. Repeat ad nauseam. Despite the irony that no corporation has more resources than MS to devote to a plan, this is never going to change so the best outcome for them is to give up and go third party.

It's not necessarily the best move for a company like Nintendo that is capable of leading with a long-term plan without panicking and getting confused every few months. Even when WiiU bombed, their moves were intentional and calculated to correct it (and still leaned on exclusive games).

 

[Drell]

Another day, another thread workshopping the trillion dollar monopolistic company.

 

[MMaRsu]

Childish is what Nintendo makes
Nintendo is only at 12 bln revenue, MS at ~20 bn, Sony at 30bn
Nin nowhere near "dominating" market just because they sold a bit more cheap toys

If you call their games childish because it has a ton of colors, and is family friendly, you are the one who is childish.

Good games are about good gameplay, not big ass tits or gratuitous bloodspurts

 

[Topher]

more attractive to PC gamers [in China]
I doubt that this part of strategy targets enthusiasts in US/EU as they made their choice. But Sony works on global scope and some strategies are necessary to get hold in new territories (China, India, Middle East etc). And Sony do it two-ways, presenting it's own proposition of high-quality high production values games and buy/help develop for playstation games that target those territories to appeal with better than PC price/value factor.
Selling 10 or even 15 mil consoles in China should be doable by current state of market development, and that's quite a lot install base, but Sony need something to penetrate market and increase awareness to sell them.

Valid points, but even with China in the mix, it isn't like PS games are setting the world on fire with Steam outside of Helldivers 2.

 

[MMaRsu]

MS did all the right moves with og xbox considering super heavy competition back then, and even upped their game in first half of x360 lifespan, 2nd half of x360 and focus on kinect(not saying it shouldnt be promoted, just company focus should stay on hardcore gamers) marked its downfall, u can tell don matrick then later his good buddy phil fucked up bigtime.
Imagine this guy saying stuff phil does now:

Lets compare it to this badass of xbox ceo:

None of that matters after the entire Xbox One fiasco where the Xbox brand was flushed down the toilet.

 

[BlackTron]

If you call their games childish because it has a ton of colors, and is family friendly, you are the one who is childish.

Good games are about good gameplay, not big ass tits or gratuitous bloodspurts

I sincerely wonder how many of these people have small dicks.

 

[KungFucius]

Look at Indy and Forza exploding on other consoles
Look at Sony making their games available on PC
Look at 3rd parties benefiting from their games being available on every platform
Facts don't lie, exclusively is not worth it anymore
Just don't look at Nintendo

Sony still has exclusives. If they went day one PC I wouldn't have a PS5. I just wish they had more exclusives because then the system would be more valuable to my family. It's basically just an Astrobot machine waiting for something Daddy cares about.

 

[Lokaum D+]

now, we just need Nintendo to bring their games officially to PC

 

[Felessan]

They're so irrelevant that the prevailing rumors suggest that MS and Sony are both doing handhelds in response to the switch. Lol. What a horrible take. Congrats.

Irrelevant? No. Dominating market? Also no.
Sony pursuited portable market from long time ago, it took a break with the rise of mobile to understand how to structure their proposition.

And I doubt that it was Switch that compelled them to get back, Nin handhelds were there for decades, reaction to Switch if any should have been years ago. But Nintendo as always sustained heavily by 1st party and it's not working strategy for Sony
It's probably Steamdeck as example how it can work, rise of high profile f2p (those themselves can sustain portable) and indie/A gaming that will have no problem porting that define their vision how portable will operate and especially how it's game catalog will be populated (the issue that killed Vita)

 

[Kikorin]

I think the exact opposite. Third parties exclusives maybe are dumb and a thing of the past, but exclusives developed internally are basically the only added value to a piece of hardware these days. This is why I'm really surprised Sony is deciding to take off value to their brands porting on PC, considering these numbers are not worth the effort and will only damage them in the long run.

 

[MMaRsu]

considering these numbers are not worth the effort and will only damage them in the long run.

Tales from my ass part 69

 

[CliffBronger]

The thing with Nintendo is they are leaving money on the table by not releasing games on the PC.

Every switch game is already available for free on the PC via emulation.

I wonder how long switch 2 emulation will take to manifest.

 

[Felessan]

You should have quoted the second part of my post because this is exactly what you are doing.

You definition of most successfull are for sure not the definition market usually use
Yeah, there are a lot of twisting and wishfull interpretations that hardly matches real world from hardcore fans of the platform.

Good games are about good gameplay, not big ass tits or gratuitous bloodspurts

Your definition of good is just as fine as mine. And mine properly adjusted for age brackets and toys for kids are toys for kids.

Valid points, but even with China in the mix, it isn't like PS games are setting the world on fire with Steam outside of Helldivers 2.

They doesn't have to set world on fire, given late porting and low marketing. They are to provide insight and example for Sony 1st party offering for those unfamiliar.
And they are doing quite fine with this slow encroaching approach judging from revenue numbers.

Those are huge btw - with all those flops that folks on forum discuss how unpopular Sony releases on PC, Sony now grabs ~8-10% of whole SP PC market for themself

 

[MMaRsu]

Your definition of good is just as fine as mine. And mine properly adjusted for age brackets and toys for kids are toys for kids.

Not really, yours is just a bunch of bullshit based on absolutely nothing.

Childish behaviour is what you are displaying.

I thought the retarded opinion of Nintendo making games for kids died in 2000s, guess you're still clinging to that stupid notion.

 

[Madserb2023]

What Microsoft has shown is that people like their games but not the system or at least they no longer have faith in the system as with Sega. The Xbox One was a complete turd and was weaker yet more expensive. It ruined them and that's it. I have no doubt Halo or Gears would sell millions on the PlayStation. You need good hardware and good games. The Wii U has shown that. Some of the best selling games on the Switch are Wii U games. Why didn't Mario Kart 8 push 50 million Wii U units. Same game.

 

[Topher]

They doesn't have to set world on fire, given late porting and low marketing. They are to provide insight and example for Sony 1st party offering for those unfamiliar.
And they are doing quite fine with this slow encroaching approach judging from revenue numbers.

What revenue numbers? Has Sony broken out their PC revenue?

Those are huge btw - with all those flops that folks on forum discuss how unpopular Sony releases on PC, Sony now grabs ~8-10% of whole SP PC market for themself

Where are you getting that market share percentage from?