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[Aces High]

In a different timeline, we would get this:

Naughty Dog was cool once.

Shame.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I'm a simple guy. My money stays in my bank.
Game = Entertainment.
Game = main char + story + gameplay + visual . With Main Char has highest priority because I am going to control him / her, going through their story. And I don't find it entertained when I am not interested in main char. Maybe the game is much more interesting, but to me, they've failed at the very first trailer.
I'm completely fine with female lead, but since when strong woman = masculine look alike? I've worked with a lot of strong women yet feminine (look and acting), when it comes to emotional control, stress endurance, resilience at workplace, completely top notch and highly respected.

Exactly, some people are forgetting that you'll be spending xx hours playing as this character and more or less trying to identify with them. It's not just the case of seeing them in several cutscenes or something like that. It's no wonder so many people dropped TLoU 2 when they were suddenly forced to play as Abby, it wasn't just about some youtubers dropping their controllers and trying to seek attention and clicks.

From my perspective there's no place for trying to figure out whether I'll be interested in the game or not if it already failed step 1.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Oh, and here that 14yo Ellie in a fight vs grown up man, totally believable coz she is much weaker and only wins by being smarter aka using blade, where physical strenght of a person isnt as important anymore, she was more nimble and had big dose of luck, not coz she overpowered the guy with physical strenght like we experience Abby doing in TLOU2

You can beat enemies during gameplay just like Joel when playing as Ellie.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I like the MC in this. Tbh, I don't like playing as a girl, especially one that screams like I'm watching Hentai, which is why Stellar Blade isn't for me, so the manlier they look the more I can get into the character. Abby was rad. The muscle made her fighting ability more believable. I'm glad this isn't a dolled up Asian girl with a tiny frame. Get outta here with that.

I don't need an ass in front of me giving me a half chub.

Funny thing, this will offend a certain group and my reverse psychology will bring back the hbbs for the coomers.

I don’t “need” to play as some hyper sexualized waifu with jiggle physics either. I’m just so tired of all the horribly written girlbosses and ugly non-feminine “Strong Female” characters that get forced into fucking everything now. (Especially since they tend to make all the male characters into soy losers or villains so the women look stronger/more virtuous in comparison).

Given what we’ve seen over the last ~10 years from Hollywood and gaming studios, I’m done giving this shit the benefit of the doubt anymore. If it stars some ugly woman who looks and acts like a dude, I’m assuming it’s more “modern audiences” diarrhea until proven otherwise.


TBH I always found fan-service crap to be tasteless and off putting. But nowadays it almost feels refreshing.

 

[Gaiff]

Name the countless examples of art surbordinating itself to politics and being great, please. Triumph of the Will and Birth of a Nation don't count because outside of their technical achievements, they have not survived as great works of art. Triumph isn't even art - it's a documentary that was impressively shot.

You think shooting films isn't art? What's next, photography isn't art either? I mean, how are those not artistic achievements?

In his review of The Birth of a Nation in 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die, Jonathan Kline writes that "with countless artistic innovations, Griffith essentially created contemporary film language... virtually every film is beholden to [The Birth of a Nation] in one way, shape or form. Griffith introduced the use of dramatic close-ups, tracking shots, and other expressive camera movements; parallel action sequences, crosscutting, and other editing techniques". He added that "the fact that The Birth of a Nation remains respected and studied to this day—despite its subject matter—reveals its lasting importance."

Captain America literally only engaged in anti-Nazi propaganda for the first few years of his existence lol. Then he had to develop a much broader set of ideals and values. He would end up even questioning some aspects of the US government by the time you get to the 70s.

Again, you aren't addressing my point of contention. You're now trying to divorce those creations from the climate and purposes for which they were created. You initially argued that art cannot subordinate itself to politics to be good and that if it does, it is propaganda, not art. I refuted this with examples of art pieces that were designed to be political and lauded for their artistic merits. Something can both be art and propaganda. Whether those works are still politically relevant or not is inconsequential. What matters is that their artistic merits were and are still praised despite them being created for propaganda purposes first and foremost. Guernica from Picasso is an anti-war painting. The Russian film Come and See is a powerful anti-war film. Caesar's War Commentaries were written as a propaganda tool to boost his public opinion. More recently, Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine took issue with a "fan" claiming RATM had gone political and answered, "since when has RATM NOT been political?" or something along those lines. RATM doesn't merely explore political themes. They're a full-on militant band. This contrasts with Bob Dylan whom you say didn't want to be viewed as a political artist. There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the arts and politics. Come on, man. You're not gonna sit here and seriously argue with me that we don't have numerous examples of art created solely or mainly for political purposes.

In the works of the situationists, Italian scholar Mirella Bandini observes, there is no separation between art and politics; the two confront each other in revolutionary terms.

Some even postulate that art is inherently political (something I disagree with), but that propaganda cannot be art is completely false.

 

[MayauMiao]

In a different timeline, we would get this:

Naughty Dog was cool once.

Shame.

I remember when they had taste.

Jordan looks like a disaster.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder
If I can wait for the PC port and mod in Chloe then maybe we are getting somewhere.

ok Nadine Ross or Intergalactic girl ?

 

[Gaiff]

I remember when they had taste.

Yep.

 

[VenomousCoffee]

Ahh, so when some1 doesnt subscribe to secular religion 2.0 like wokeism it means the person doesnt think women are ppl, thats a blatant lie.

You called feminism "a lie." Feminism, famously, is the claim that women are people.

You genuinely can't form a coherent thought.

 

[diffusionx]

ok Nadine Ross or Intergalactic girl ?

Nadine Ross is not my type but she's feminine.

You called feminism "a lie." Feminism, famously, is the claim that women are people.

You genuinely can't form a coherent thought.

No, feminism is applying marxist class theory to gender, and it is a lie.

 

[captainnapalm]

You think shooting films isn't art? What's next, photography isn't art either? I mean, how are those not artistic achievements?

In his review of The Birth of a Nation in 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die, Jonathan Kline writes that "with countless artistic innovations, Griffith essentially created contemporary film language... virtually every film is beholden to [The Birth of a Nation] in one way, shape or form. Griffith introduced the use of dramatic close-ups, tracking shots, and other expressive camera movements; parallel action sequences, crosscutting, and other editing techniques". He added that "the fact that The Birth of a Nation remains respected and studied to this day—despite its subject matter—reveals its lasting importance."

Again, you aren't addressing my point of contention. You're now trying to divorce those creations from the climate and purposes for which they were created. You initially argued that art cannot subordinate itself to politics to be good and that if it does, it is propaganda, not art. I refuted this with examples of art pieces that were designed to be political and lauded for their artistic merits. Something can both be art and propaganda. Whether those works are still politically relevant or not is inconsequential. What matters is that their artistic merits were and are still praised despite them being created for propaganda purposes first and foremost. Guernica from Picasso is an anti-war painting. The Russian film Come and See is a powerful anti-war film. Caesar's War Commentaries were written as a propaganda tool to boost his public opinion. There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the arts and politics. Come on, man. You're not gonna sit here and seriously argue with me that we don't have numerous examples of art created solely or mainly for political purposes. More recently, Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine took issue with a "fan" claiming RATM had gone political and answered, "since when has RATM NOT been political?" or something along those lines. RATM doesn't merely explore political themes. They're a full-on militant band. This contrasts with Bob Dylan whom you say didn't want to be viewed as a political artist.

In the works of the situationists, Italian scholar Mirella Bandini observes, there is no separation between art and politics; the two confront each other in revolutionary terms.

Some even postulate that art is inherently political (something I disagree with), but that propaganda cannot be art is completely false.

This seems to be a semantic argument now. Why call propaganda propaganda at all if it's just art? Clearly that name is meant to imply that it has become something else. Italian scholar Mirella Bandini is completely and utterly wrong. Propaganda can have aesthetic value but it's extremely important to separate it from art to properly contextualise it. You don't want to be influenced by propaganda do you? Being anti-war is not merely a political position, so no one will argue that Picasso's Guernica is propaganda. RATM have become massive sellouts who now rage FOR the machine, so I wouldn't give any credence to what Morello says.

 

[proandrad]

Truth of the matter is this game is not for “dudes” who are insecure about their own masculinity that they can fathom having to play a game where there own identity is not present in.

The audience for this game is very large .. they won’t have to worry about sales. The only people who need to worry are the disenfranchised gamers who only want models or white men staring in their media.

That's not true, you are making a lot of assumptions based on no facts. At the same show there was another game, also starting a female MC, with nowhere close the amount of negative reaction(The Witcher 4), why do you think that is?

 

[fallingdove]

Yes I am one with the funk.

There’s nothing to really debate. Ideas do not exist in a vaccum. If you can’t understand why someone would remotely think of GotG when seeing the trailer that’s on you.

Sure - the same way someone thinks Game of Thrones now when they see a sword and a dragon. It doesn’t absolve it of being a shallow comparison.

 

[tmlDan]

Nadine Ross is not my type but she's feminine.

she is? lol

 

[PeteBull]

“Woke woke woke”

That’s all you post, can you form an actual critical talking point that doesn’t descend into identity politics. Same tired argument we’ve heard for years - let me guess you watch Asmongold, Critical Drinker and The Quatering.

I do subscribe to quatering but maybe watch his content once per month, if that, i know who the other 2 are but i dont watch them, i watch many other channels on yt tho, some super woke(leftists), some rightwing, i do it all with open mind to not keep myself in a bubble+ its always smart to know ur enemy, thats why i know progressives/leftists are so delusional they cant even answer "what is a woman" question, spoilers- its adult female with XY chromosomes

 

[Thief1987]

Concord audience was suposed to be huge too, turned out 25k copies sold worldwide

It's because sales were halted. Could have been 26k by now

 

[kunonabi]

An absolutely irresistible sexual hurricane unleashed upon the collective gamer subconscious:

I mean with Jet Li having so many health issues it's nice to see his little brother step in to try and fill his shoes.

 

[Gaiff]

This seems to be a semantic argument now. Why call propaganda propaganda at all if it's just art?

But I'm not saying propaganda is just art. I'm saying propaganda CAN and has been art. You have propaganda that is completely devoid of artistic merits, but you also have artistic propaganda that transcends time and have aesthetics that are still relevant to this day despite their largely outdated political stances. If anything, I would argue that this form of art is even more dangerous because people might not even realize it's cleverly disguised propaganda.

Italian scholar Mirella Bandini is completely and utterly wrong. Propaganda can have aesthetic value but it's extremely important to separate it from art to properly contextualise it. You don't want to be influenced by propaganda do you? Being anti-war is not merely a political position, so no one will argue that Picasso's Guernica is propaganda. RATM have become massive sellouts who now rage FOR the machine, so I wouldn't give any credence to what Morello says.

I merely picked artists who are overtly political and admitted as such. You can say RATM have become sellouts, but they still make music and even back in the days of Battle of Los Angeles, their music was always extremely political and militant. They did a lot more than just explore themes. I mean, Killing in the Name is massively political.

Anyway, it's fine if you disagree. I was pointing out why I took issue with your comment that art that is conceived to be political isn't art but propaganda. I think it can be both and there is no line separating the two. They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

.....

 

[Stinkbug]

Are people here mad b/c the protagonist is hot? What's going on in this discussion?

 

[McCarth]

This game is going to be fascinating to watch over the next couple years before release. We have to remember, not only was this development started when these ideas seemed like a much better idea, but this trailer even was being developed prior to Concord and Veilguard's epic fails, for the Game Awards, and there was simply no turning back at that point.

Do they push through regardless of this (expected, since they knew the comments had to be off on Youtube) reception, or slowly tweak to get out of this hole?

Unfortunately, if I had to guess, I think ND believes they have the clout to push through. It's going to be so interesting to see, the world is very, very different now in late 2024 than it was in 2022.

 

[ArtHands]

 

[benjohn]

As a Life time naughty dog fan I hate what they've become. Despite all woke trash in TloupII I loved it. The problem is if I looked past these ugly as shit characters, product placement, etc, still this trailer is cringy as fuck. What has become of that great writting.

 

[Topher]

We are back to "movie games" now?

 

[Wandering Leopard]

Are people here mad b/c the protagonist is hot? What's going on in this discussion?

It's hard to keep track but predictably, most of the discussion has devolved and moved into topics that have nothing to do with the game.

 

[Lux77]

My main concern is the trailer by itself was really bland, like really generic. And then that last combat scene, this totally uninspired generic robot.....that was my main turn off.

 

[cormack12]

 

[PeteBull]

You called feminism "a lie." Feminism, famously, is the claim that women are people.

You genuinely can't form a coherent thought.

Feminism is a women superiority movement, it lies to them about becoming all those boss babes, "sexual empowerement"- hook up culture aka destroying their bodies and mentality, and that marriage is partnership, in reality no woman looks for a partner when it comes to longterm relationship, they look for superior, that is why they are so picky
I wonder why we never get those 30% women parity clauses at dangerous and tuff jobs, only ones who are well paid, air conditioned and that dont put ur health in jeopardy

In my country both men and women got the right to vote at the same time yet only men got drafted, before that there was tiny % of aristrocrates(which were both men and women, both could be extremly evil)who had slaves(white ones), they were called peons and were owned basically their whole life, could be beaten to death just to make example.
In today's western world women are priviledged sex, not opressed one.

 

[captainnapalm]

But I'm not saying propaganda is just art. I'm saying propaganda CAN and has been art. You have propaganda that is completely devoid of artistic merits, but you also have artistic propaganda that transcends time and have aesthetics that are still relevant to this day despite their largely outdated political stances. If anything, I would argue that this form of art is even more dangerous because people might not even realize it's cleverly disguised propaganda.


I merely picked artists who are overtly political and admitted as such. You can say RATM have become sellouts, but they still make music and even back in the days of Battle of Los Angeles, their music was always extremely political and militant. They did a lot more than just explore themes. I mean, Killing in the Name is massively political.

Anyway, it's fine if you disagree. I was pointing out why I took issue with your comment that art that is conceived to be political isn't art but propaganda. I think it can be both and there is no line separating the two. They're not mutually exclusive.

I agree the lines can get blurry. Honestly you could make the argument we get very little actual art these days. Almost everything comes at you with some kind of race, sex or gender politics thrown in. And when people try and justify that with 'all art is political', I am strongly against that, because it's that kind of attitude that creates so much of this garbage. People want to subordinate art to incredibly shallow politics.

 

[poppabk]

I get it? If you don't come from a particular walk of life then what's the problem with a consultant? Especially if you don't have an experience with it? I have 4 sisters but I don't know what's it's like to be a woman.

I dont have a problem with inclusion, trans characters, strong women, black characters, etc. I don't have a problem with consultants necessarily.
But it feels like there is a very small number of them and they have very narrow views, so we get the same stories and characters over and over again.
I bet your 4 sisters themselves have very different views on what it is like to be a woman.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

She's an attractive woman but I personally don't really rock with women who are bald-headed, at least as a style choice. So I would prefer if she had hair.

That being said, in the trailer she has scars on her head so I'm guessing some incident occurred to cause those, or maybe they're just injuries from fighting. Or maybe it's like Alien 3 and the head's shaved for health reasons to cut down on chances of lice? Given the game's set in an alternate-futuristic 1980s' it could also be a punk rock/ska skinhead thing in terms of their musical tastes.

Anyway, I don't get the fervor over her not being a "conventional" female lead in a game. If you want that there are plenty of games which already have it. My thing is, this isn't a gender or race swap of a pre-existing IP, there's nothing in the trailer in terms of messaging that's actually mentioning identity politics or the such as critical to the story, and I didn't see anyone belittling or putting down white men. Last I recall, weren't those the main criticisms against woke content?

So if there's none of that in the trailer (or as we can go off of so far, the game itself), but people are still saying it's woke or DEI or whatever, are those people just stupid? I mean what happened to judging things on an individual basis and based on the substance of the content? If the content, y'know, the story, characterizations etc. end up pushing far-leftist idpol stuff, THEN you can call the game everything it is. Because at that point, it'd be those things.

But we don't even know what the storyline is, we don't know much on the characters yet, we don't know a lot on the themes. All we really know besides what's in the trailer is that Akira & Cowboy Bebop are influences. Are those now woke by proxy of influencing this game? How does it work this week, will it work the same the next week?

Like really, some folks just need to chill, play less games, play more games instead of talking about them, or get some real-life hobbies to do that aren't just talking about games online. I'm not gonna make judgement on a game pushing a certain agenda or not, until we actually learn more about the game itself. With what's out there right now though, I'm quite digging what ND are working on here.

I'm just also glad it's a new IP; great as TLOU is, it's been tiring see them do nothing but TLOU for almost five years.

 

[Bojji]

Feminism is a women superiority movement, it lies to them about becoming all those boss babes, "sexual empowerement"- hook up culture aka destroying their bodies and mentality, and that marriage is partnership, in reality no woman looks for a partner when it comes to longterm relationship, they look for superior, that is why they are so picky
I wonder why we never get those 30% women parity clauses at dangerous and tuff jobs, only ones who are well paid, air conditioned and that dont put ur health in jeopardy

In my country both men and women got the right to vote at the same time yet only men got drafted, before that there was tiny % of aristrocrates(which were both men and women, both could be extremly evil)who had slaves(white ones), they were called peons and were owned basically their whole life, could be beaten to death just to make example.
In today's western world women are priviledged sex, not opressed one.

Exactly.

Women are still very opressed in Muslim countries, yet for some reason both feminists and woke media don't care about them.

 

[Nowa]

But we don't even know what the storyline is, we don't know much on the characters yet, we don't know a lot on the themes. All we really know besides what's in the trailer is that Akira & Cowboy Bebop are influences. Are those now woke by proxy of influencing this game? How does it work this week, will it work the same the next week?

This game will be "inspired" in very limited ways. We know that according to Neil and all these sex negative feminists the portrayal of women in anime is inherently problematic.

 

[benjohn]

Are there a lot of lesbian females playing games i don’t know about? They seem to be the target demographic for AAA games now.

I don't think any self-respecting lesbian is interested in this shit

 

[lughnasadh123]

s this not a good enough reason? Druckmann has a body of work. We know what he does. He's in charge of the studio. Everything in that trailer is of a kind with his previous stuff.

On the basis of gameplay or politics? The latter - sure, think how you will. The former though has always been solid. Even their most controversial gameplay with a controversial story had excellent gameplay to fallback on. I don't expect this to be any different. This should matter a lot particuarly to those "gameplay first" type of people.

 

[Putonahappyface]

An absolutely irresistible sexual hurricane unleashed upon the collective gamer subconscious:

Does she have a receding hairline?

 

[PeteBull]

I mean with Jet Li having so many health issues it's nice to see his little brother step in to try and fill his shoes.

Loved all his movies, even the mid ones he himself didnt like, like this one

 

[graywolf323]

 

[diffusionx]

On the basis of gameplay or politics? The latter - sure, think how you will. The former though has always been solid. Even their most controversial gameplay with a controversial story had excellent gameplay to fallback on. I don't expect this to be any different. This should matter a lot particuarly to those "gameplay first" type of people.

I didnt play TLOU2 but Uncharted 4, despite the fact that the shooting and stuff was obviously a huge jump over the old games, I didn't really enjoy playing at all. As a gameplay first game it failed miserably. I am not sure what we are going to get here in terms of gameplay here but I don't think ND is an automatic win on that regard anymore.

 

[AyraSutoraifu]

Where does it says she is a lesbian?

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Big meh...

I was initially excited to see them going space but this trailer "unexcited" me.

For now, look so "Déjà Vu" and the 80-90 aesthetic is a terrible mistake, I think we got enough of that (like things should have stopped with Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon more than a decade ago) or it should not have been that intense.

Also the main character, which is pretty dumb, look my ass but ulgier and shaved, because what about using the TRIMMER IS THE RIGHT FUCKING SIDE ???

All those ad placements fucking suck

If you use Android, try Youtube ReVanced
If you are on a desktop, use uBlock + SponsorBlock for Youtube

Then say farewell to ALL ads.

 

[Gaiff]

I agree the lines can get blurry. Honestly you could make the argument we get very little actual art these days. Almost everything comes at you with some kind of race, sex or gender politics thrown in. And when people try and justify that with 'all art is political', I am strongly against that, because it's that kind of attitude that creates so much of this garbage. People want to subordinate art to incredibly shallow politics.

Yeah, that "all art is political" is complete nonsense peddled by people defending propaganda (and I do mean strictly propaganda, not art) infiltrating every facet of entertainment.

You also aren't incorrect in your assessment that politics (can) taints art. This is especially true in artistic/entertainment media such as music, films, and video games. Paintings, sculptures, drawings, etc, are purely art and not meant to entertain, so the political aspects have more difficulty clashing with our appreciation. Games, however, are art (or at least can be) and injecting politics into them is very different from a musician who makes a protest song. That's doubly true because most developers attempting to politicize games have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and their world experience is limited to the life of a middle-class or upper middle-class upbringing. This results often in shallow and eye rolling social and political commentaries. Generally, I don't think games and and politics mix all that well, so I prefer when they distance the games from politics as much as possible.

Feminism is a women superiority movement

Really don't wanna get into that, but you're probably thinking of second-wave or third-wave feminism, not feminism in general. Feminism is simply a movement that seeks the equal and fair treatment of both sexes.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

This game will be "inspired" in very limited ways. We know that according to Neil and all these sex negative feminists the portrayal of women in anime is inherently problematic.

It’ll be “inspired” by classic anime in the same way that Kathleen Kennedy + Rian Johnson were inspired by Star Wars 4-6 or Amazon was inspired by Peter Jackson’s LotR trilogy.

In other words, they grew up loving it, but now there’s some nagging cognitive dissonance because it was filled with stuff that is problematic and doesn’t fully conform to 2024 progressive intersectional ideology. They see it as their job to fix it up and update it for Modern Audiences.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Really don't wanna get into that, but you're probably thinking of second-wave or third-wave feminism, not feminism in general. Feminism is simply a movement that seeks the equal and fair treatment of both sexes.

The way you describe it, doesn't that sound more like egalitarianism?

 

[DrFigs]

It’ll be “inspired” by classic anime in the same way that Kathleen Kennedy + Rian Johnson were inspired by Star Wars 4-6 or Amazon was inspired by Peter Jackson’s LotR trilogy.

In other words, they grew up loving it, but now there’s some nagging cognitive dissonance because it was filled with stuff that is problematic and doesn’t fully conform to 2024 progressive intersectional ideology. They see it as their job to fix it up and update it for Modern Audiences.

great directors can make bad products. neil druckmann has a pretty good track record, so your pessimism here is unfounded. Rian Johnson made a bad star wars movie, but the knives out movies are pretty good.

 

[The Fartist]

Where does it says she is a lesbian?

Que trailer screenshot post of MC buzzing her head.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Wondering whether the fighting mechanic will close to Souls games or not

I'm tired of Souls Combat and the fact that ND said it will have the most versatile gameplay/combat ever, I think the Souls Combat was a tease for defying expectations.

I liked everything in the trailer except that robot.

It looked like something a AA dev would make in one of Iron Pineapple's soul dumpster diving.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Mark my words, the game's protagonist will make many seductive insinuations, even with muscles she is still a woman, and normal men like women.
It will be fun to see players feeling some secret desire for her even if they reject her for social reasons, nature is stronger than ideology. But there are always those who are afraid, well just remember that she is totally a woman at the end of the day.

The % of guys who think baldy is attractive is so small, their inner mind would automatically prevent them from liking her because their brains will think it's a dude with a shaved head.

 

[The Fartist]

She's an attractive woman but I personally don't really rock with women who are bald-headed, at least as a style choice. So I would prefer if she had hair.

That being said, in the trailer she has scars on her head so I'm guessing some incident occurred to cause those, or maybe they're just injuries from fighting. Or maybe it's like Alien 3 and the head's shaved for health reasons to cut down on chances of lice? Given the game's set in an alternate-futuristic 1980s' it could also be a punk rock/ska skinhead thing in terms of their musical tastes.

Anyway, I don't get the fervor over her not being a "conventional" female lead in a game. If you want that there are plenty of games which already have it. My thing is, this isn't a gender or race swap of a pre-existing IP, there's nothing in the trailer in terms of messaging that's actually mentioning identity politics or the such as critical to the story, and I didn't see anyone belittling or putting down white men. Last I recall, weren't those the main criticisms against woke content?

So if there's none of that in the trailer (or as we can go off of so far, the game itself), but people are still saying it's woke or DEI or whatever, are those people just stupid? I mean what happened to judging things on an individual basis and based on the substance of the content? If the content, y'know, the story, characterizations etc. end up pushing far-leftist idpol stuff, THEN you can call the game everything it is. Because at that point, it'd be those things.

But we don't even know what the storyline is, we don't know much on the characters yet, we don't know a lot on the themes. All we really know besides what's in the trailer is that Akira & Cowboy Bebop are influences. Are those now woke by proxy of influencing this game? How does it work this week, will it work the same the next week?

Like really, some folks just need to chill, play less games, play more games instead of talking about them, or get some real-life hobbies to do that aren't just talking about games online. I'm not gonna make judgement on a game pushing a certain agenda or not, until we actually learn more about the game itself. With what's out there right now though, I'm quite digging what ND are working on here.

I'm just also glad it's a new IP; great as TLOU is, it's been tiring see them do nothing but TLOU for almost five years.

Ishe thicc doh?

 

[rofif]

Re-read your sentence and it will make more sense.

If something is placed in the game it feels forced and not natural if say you have a straight person writing for a LGBT person.

You get a consultant so you don’t deal with the “forced and not natural” reactions from reviewers and fans post release.

And your last sentence? If you’re “starting to” you’re probably already there. Just accept it so when you get called out for this stuff at your job for example, be smart and don’t fly off the handle defensively.

What do you recommend regarding your last sentence?
I don't want to be an asshole