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[The artful mincer]

Selectively discarding reality to suit your argument is not very convincing.

We will see when the sales numbers come.

Postive to Negative like ratio are likely meaningless or a small factor to potential sales. Otherwise Astrobot would be the biggest selling game this year.

Absolute numbers are far more important

 

[bighugeguns]

How the fuck are you supposed to market this? Is this project a dare between Billionaires? What's going on, lol.

Can you imagine being assigned this unfuckable turd at Sony marketing and knowing you can kiss whatever bonus you wanted goodbye.

 

[Bernardougf]

Bullshit people always hated old kratos because he was an asshole. You just want to excuse this woke garbage.

LoL cant say much about the games (I very much prefer the old ones) but I think old Kratos would easily win in any poll.

 

[midnightAI]

How the fuck are you supposed to market this? Is this project a dare between Billionaires? What's going on, lol.

By showing gameplay (which they will do at some point), something Naughty Dog excel at.

 

[Bernardougf]

How the fuck are you supposed to market this? Is this project a dare between Billionaires? What's going on, lol.

They think they are too big to fail ... and obviously think that any publicity is good publicity.... time will tell if they are right.

 

[DForce]

Will this be ND's first bomb?! Only time will tell but their story/gameplay always make up for it.

I highly doubt Sony expects Intergalactic and Cory Barlog's new IP to perform as well or even better than The Last of Us Part II and God of War Ragnarok.

If Spider-Man 2 needed 7.2M copies sold at full price to break even with a budget of over 300, then I would guess Sony would be satisfied with at least 5 million copies sold within the first year.

If their gameplay mechanics are as hyped as they're making it out to be then I would lean towards this game being a successful title.

 

[bighugeguns]

By showing gameplay (which they will do at some point), something Naughty Dog excel at.

Concord could have played like Call of Duty on 10 pounds of pure Cocaine and it'd still have shat the bed violently. No game made for Resetera is in for a good time, especially >2024.

These turbo woke AAA budget games feel like they were conceptualized around 2016 when everyone was being extra stupid because of domestic US politics, now marketing departments are stuck holding their dicks trying to figure out how to make people want to buy all this stuff.

I'm sure it'll play out like most of these projects do and end in frustrated access journalists berating audiences because nobody at the publishers' marketing or PR got bonusses.

 

[midnightAI]

Concord could have played like Call of Duty on 10 pounds of pure Cocaine and it'd still have shat the bed violently. No game made for Resetera is in for a good time, especially >2024.

What does Concord have to do with it? is this game a very average GaaS game and they have been lying to us or something? There are many reasons Concord failed, none of it was a shaved head female lead that is getting people all flustered for some really weird reason.

 

[VulcanRaven]

How the fuck are you supposed to market this? Is this project a dare between Billionaires? What's going on, lol.

Can you imagine being assigned this unfuckable turd at Sony marketing and knowing you can kiss whatever bonus you wanted goodbye.

Sounds like easy to market in my opinion. Its a third person action adventure scifi/cyberpunk game. You can also fly a spaceship and it has 1980s aesthetics.

 

[EviLore]

We will see when the sales numbers come.

Postive to Negative like ratio are likely meaningless or a small factor to potential sales. Otherwise Astrobot would be the biggest selling game this year.

Absolute numbers are far more important

The like:dislike ratio highlights the key concern that Intergalactic, in the form shown so far, has a divisive protagonist that is off-putting to a large percentage of the core demographic.

Astrobot does not contain any such divisive content, and it is well made, so it has a high like percentage. That does not mean Astrobot is guaranteed to sell more than other games. It means that it did not have its reception undermined by flaws that are highly visible in its marketing material.

If half or more of gamers are repulsed by Intergalactic's protagonist in the footage designed to sell the game and they reconsider buying it, then Sony is leaving a nine figure amount on the table.

 

[PeteBull]

I know where i saw similar looking protagonist

Not blasian but just black ugly woman with short hair, boss babe, strong and independend.
That cgi reveal trailer had nasty like to dislike ratio too(not as bad as ND's tho
Game ofc flopped hard and actually killed whole IP which was very successful before, and made the studio close.
In the reveal trailer u literally rooted for the antagonists coz they seemed to have more charmisma and actual bad ass vibe, they looked like actual gangsters too, not like a bunch of liberal pussies

 

[Fabieter]

LoL cant say much about the games (I very much prefer the old ones) but I think old Kratos would easily win in any poll.

People hate the new one for different reasons but to say if the ND lead was a man People would like him is bullshit. Actually it's that kinda bullshit which leads to this shit in the first place.

I have seen many saying bad things about old Kratos but he is still very liked and a classic character. I haven't played the new ones.

Edit: I like Kratos

Well if you want to compare it like for like than kratos would have to look like a women.

 

[Bernardougf]

The like:dislike ratio highlights the key concern that Intergalactic, in the form shown so far, has a divisive protagonist that is off-putting to a large percentage of the core demographic.

Astrobot does not contain any such divisive content, and it is well made, so it has a high like percentage. That does not mean Astrobot is guaranteed to sell more than other games. It means that it did not have its reception undermined by flaws that are highly visible in its marketing material.

If half or more of gamers are repulsed by Intergalactic's protagonist in the footage designed to sell the game and they reconsider buying it, then Sony is leaving a nine figure amount on the table.

If you compare things with negative ratio from 2/3 Years ago with now .. you would see that things are not the same ... movies/series/games with massive negative ratio are bombing hard .. almost every single time...

Its not a "real" metric by any means.. but dismissing it completely appears not to be the modern wise thing to do.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

What does Concord have to do with it? is this game a very average GaaS game and they have been lying to us or something? There are many reasons Concord failed, none of it was a shaved head female lead that is getting people all flustered for some really weird reason.

You honestly think the ugly DEI characters and wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone had nothing to do with Concord’s failure?

 

[Ronin_7]

The like:dislike ratio highlights the key concern that Intergalactic, in the form shown so far, has a divisive protagonist that is off-putting to a large percentage of the core demographic.

Astrobot does not contain any such divisive content, and it is well made, so it has a high like percentage. That does not mean Astrobot is guaranteed to sell more than other games. It means that it did not have its reception undermined by flaws that are highly visible in its marketing material.

If half or more of gamers are repulsed by Intergalactic's protagonist in the footage designed to sell the game and they reconsider buying it, then Sony is leaving a nine figure amount on the table.

This game is gonna break sales records.

Not GTA type of records.

 

[bighugeguns]

You honestly think the ugly DEI characters and wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone had nothing to do with Concord’s failure?

If guys like that didn't exist you'd only have winners, strategic retardation is a natural component of the industry. There's a lot of absolute toiletwater IQ imbeciles in suits running around at a lot of publishers.

 

[Ronin_7]

people take this shit too seriously

Most people have low IQs.

 

[Bernardougf]

This game is gonna break sales records.

Not GTA type of records.

Lol.. when the most awaited Sony sequel of all time didnt break the sales records .. you expect this game to break ? .. delusion.

 

[Bernardougf]

Most people have low IQs.

Oh you are a troll.. ok.. never mind

 

[bighugeguns]

Most people have low IQs.

I would commit in full to a collector's edition if Neil Druchman agrees to an independent IQ test.

I have a theory.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I dont think its the character itself thats the problem, its just that, that design is coming from Cuckman's studio and if it was anyone else, people wouldnt care but ND just can't avoid deleting any beauty of a woman so when they do it its amplified. For me more importantly, even though we literally know jack shit...but that Aces High or whatever group name was, and that photo...it feels like Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off. Im tired of comedic relief every 20 seconds, I always thought they were going to make a tonally darker space game like they did with TLOU. Im burned out with almost every single game trying to be funny 24/7.

Also that Pet Shop Boys song...love the band and the song is a classic but since its ND putting it I just cant shake the feeling they just keep going hard into the woke gay mindset. They could of hosen any other song but they chose specifically a song about a guy having a hard time coming out and his father not accepting him being gay. If it was any other studio, it would feel like they put a cool song but since its ND you JUST KNOW they want their politics to spread.

 

[TheGodfather07]

The like:dislike ratio highlights the key concern that Intergalactic, in the form shown so far, has a divisive protagonist that is off-putting to a large percentage of the core demographic.

Astrobot does not contain any such divisive content, and it is well made, so it has a high like percentage. That does not mean Astrobot is guaranteed to sell more than other games. It means that it did not have its reception undermined by flaws that are highly visible in its marketing material.

If half or more of gamers are repulsed by Intergalactic's protagonist in the footage designed to sell the game and they reconsider buying it, then Sony is leaving a nine figure amount on the table.

Sony and naughty dog clearly don't care. They are definitely aware of it but they still don't care. In fact, since last of us part 2, sony have become even more woke. Even the once beloved insomniac are now being criticised because of spiderman 2. Who next to go down? Santa Monica probably. I would bet my ball bag that their next game will be infected too. It will be a trailer with a female lead and the conversation surrounding it will snowball from there.

 

[VulcanRaven]

You honestly think the ugly DEI characters and wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone had nothing to do with Concord’s failure?

I personally liked the Guardians of the Galaxy style cgi reveal trailer. Then I stopped caring when it was revealed to be a multiplayer GAAS game. I might have had some interest in a single player game.

 

[midnightAI]

You honestly think the ugly DEI characters and wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone had nothing to do with Concord’s failure?

It was part of it, sure, but at the end of the day, the game itself just wasnt very good, its a very average game, that wasnt free to play, in a sea of much better GaaS games that are free to play.

Was the character design shit? yes, of course it was, but the game itself just wasn't very good.... and you had to pay for it

This game is VERY different to Concord, in fact there are barely any similarities at all (you personally may argue that you find the main character ugly, I dont, its just Tati Gabrielle, who I find very pretty personally, and one of the most realistically rendered characters in any video game, but we cant discuss that apparently)

 

[Clear]

This game is probably ~12-18months off release, we know Troy Baker is back and his character -in fact no other characters whatsoever- have been revealed, and we've been shown almost nothing beyond the most bare-bones of setups.

I get that people are unhappy with the DEI-fication of gaming right now, (I certainly am) but who knows where we'll be in that time, or to what degree the rest of the presentation will mitigate the friction.

I do think that people are overreacting right now, because of the timing, and also because there are still a lot of people with an axe to grind against ND and Druckmann over TLOU2. Which I do think was largely unwarranted.

 

[Fabieter]

Sony and naughty dog clearly don't care. They are definitely aware of it but they still don't care. In fact, since last of us part 2, sony have become even more woke. Even the once beloved insomniac are now being criticised because of spiderman 2. Who next to go down? Santa Monica probably. I would bet my ball bag that their next game will be infected too. It will be a trailer with a female lead and the conversation surrounding it will snowball from there.

Well yoshida was the last straw, as soon as hulst got his position it was over. It's only getting worse from here on out.

 

[Putonahappyface]

We still trying to do math in here? Most people can barely read. A lot of the ones who care have a hard time understanding what they read. Math is beyond some people.

Be more British and say maths.

 

[PeteBull]

Most people have low IQs.

As much as he is probably trying to troll, i have to agree with him

Countries by IQ - Average IQ by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Even top10 most intelligent countries are in avg 100-107 IQ range, and the least inteligent countries have under 50 IQ avg, out of fricken 200.

 

[TheGodfather07]

You honestly think the ugly DEI characters and wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone had nothing to do with Concord’s failure?

Maybe some but I'm pretty sure it would do well if it had a very good single player campaign and was rated 90+. Would it have totally flopped if that was the case? It was the triple combination of new ip, woke garbage and gaas that killed it.

 

[Fess]

By showing gameplay (which they will do at some point), something Naughty Dog excel at.

I’m playing The Last of Us part 1, the gameplay is definitely not why I enjoy it.

I’d say that with ND it’s 80% about the story and animations and general presentation and cutscenes and characters. I wouldn’t even know what to praise them for regarding gameplay.

Uncharted is when they started drifting toward excelling at linear storytelling for me. Gameplaywise they use far too many old tired mechanics and repeat them too often. One way forward, move a plank to a gap, kick a ladder, help a buddy, climb a colored ledge, standard stealth, pass an invisible line and trigger a shootout, etc. The combat even when looking cool isn’t satisfying enough gameplaywise to carry a game unless it’s something like Elden Ring or Returnal where it’s clear that it’s the focus of it all.

 

[bighugeguns]

Woke isn't even woke anymore, it's just a signal of business stupidity now. Morons juuuuust clever enough to be operational, but juuuuust dumb enough to get fatally obsessed with American domestic social political issues.

It's a massive tragedy this wipes out jobs like nothing else.

The outrageous part is when you realize how long these games take to make, it means these guys are consistently stupid, like their default idle animation is retardation.

Or it's literally cheaper to just push a turd through and flush it than make any big changes.

 

[PeteBull]

Maybe some but I'm pretty sure it would do well if it had a very good single player campaign and was rated 90+. Would it have totally flopped if that was the case?

Character design made sure 98% of audience for competetive multiplayer shooters(so teenage boys and young male adults) didnt want to touch concord with a stick even

 

[Bernardougf]

Well yoshida was the last straw, as soon as hulst got his position it was over. It's only getting worse from here on out.

It all depends on sales ... I really cant believe Japan Sony HQ would let their primary business downflop freely like MS did with xbox (wich was not a primary money maker for ms)...

Concord made the alarm sound .. more flops, if they happen, and changes will be made... at least I hope

 

[DrFigs]

I have seen many saying bad things about old Kratos but he is still very liked and a classic character. I haven't played the new ones.

Edit: I like Kratos

is the reason you haven't played the new ones because they're too woke?

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I’ve seen a lot of lesbians before so I can tell

The lesbians you saw aren't that character.
This type of automatic correlation is a mistake. Are all female bodybuilders lesbians? man this is crazy.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

What I can infer from this polemic about the main character is that the pendulum has swung so much that the anti-woke is now the new woke.
Everything is a microaggression to their world view.
This probably is the main success of wokism, like poison it afflicted the whole body.

 

[bighugeguns]

The lesbians you saw aren't that character.
This type of automatic correlation is a mistake. Are all female bodybuilders lesbians? man this is crazy.

To be fair, lots of people haven't gone on to tertiary education, so interacting with people online who haven't dealt with critical thinking in any applied fashion shouldn't be surprising, especially in the gaming hobby, there's some legit dumbos cruising the web.

For your own sanity, if you notice someone is struggling with stuff like objectivity/thinking holistically/critical thought dude smile and wave and move on they are physically too stupid to understand why you're moving on.

 

[DeathGuise]

The like:dislike ratio highlights the key concern that Intergalactic, in the form shown so far, has a divisive protagonist that is off-putting to a large percentage of the core demographic.

Astrobot does not contain any such divisive content, and it is well made, so it has a high like percentage. That does not mean Astrobot is guaranteed to sell more than other games. It means that it did not have its reception undermined by flaws that are highly visible in its marketing material.

If half or more of gamers are repulsed by Intergalactic's protagonist in the footage designed to sell the game and they reconsider buying it, then Sony is leaving a nine figure amount on the table.

I don't care that she's black. I don't care that she's bald. Not really anyway. Druckmann has his weird thing with bald females. Not really my thing but fine, whatever. But why go to such great pains to make her fucking ugly? Like why? Even Abby, while having unrealistic arms, was attractive. This person looks like a fucking goblin. I guarantee the concept art had beautiful mixed or colored women and he was like "Nah you need to fuck her shit up". Why???

 

[Fabieter]

It all depends on sales ... I really cant believe Japan Sony HQ would let his primary business downflop freely like MS did with xbox (wich was not a primary money maker for ms)...

Concord made the alarm sound .. more flops, if they happen, and changes will be made... at least I hope

I hope so too, but I also hoped they would draw the right conclusions from Concord. One part of its failure was the DEI aspect. I hoped that would be enough for a reasonable person to adjust future releases.

 

[VulcanRaven]

is the reason you haven't played the new ones because they're too woke?

No. The reason is that I haven't played God of War 3 and Ascension yet. I got Xbox 360 after PS2 so I didn't get to play them at the time and then later on PS4 I just never got around playing 3.

 

[evanft]

Hold on.

Are people actually using like/dislike ratio on YouTube as an indication of anything? There's no way.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Not talking about the game but entirely on looks bruh she’s ugly af or we have totally different standards.

If your standard is different (and it seems like it is) then you are not able to make a fair judgment about her beauty and millions of other women similar to her.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

It was part of it, sure, but at the end of the day, the game itself just wasnt very good, its a very average game, that wasnt free to play, in a sea of much better GaaS games that are free to play.

Was the character design shit? yes, of course it was, but the game itself just wasn't very good.... and you had to pay for it

This game is VERY different to Concord, in fact there are barely any similarities at all (you personally may argue that you find the main character ugly, I dont, its just Tati Gabrielle, who I find very pretty personally, and one of the most realistically rendered characters in any video game, but we cant discuss that apparently)

First of all, trying to frame the character designs and writing/tone as something distinct from “the game itself” is ridiculous. Those are part of the game.

Second, nobody played Concord even during the free open beta. Trying to brush it off as just being average and charging too much is ridiculous. People hated the character designs and tone of the trailers so much that they never bothered to give the game a shot in the first place.

 

[DForce]

I dont think its the character itself thats the problem, its just that, that design is coming from Cuckman's studio and if it was anyone else, people wouldnt care but ND just can't avoid deleting any beauty of a woman so when they do it its amplified. For me more importantly, even though we literally know jack shit...but that Aces High or whatever group name was, and that photo...it feels like Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off. Im tired of comedic relief every 20 seconds, I always thought they were going to make a tonally darker space game like they did with TLOU. Im burned out with almost every single game trying to be funny 24/7.

This doesn't seem anything like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Jordan has a tattoo on her neck showing Five Aces and the newspaper clippings indicate they were part of a criminal organization and have since disbanded.

 

[Bernardougf]

What I can infer from this polemic about the main character is that the pendulum has swung so much that the anti-woke is now the new woke.
Everything is a microaggression to their world view.
This probably is the main success of wokism, like poison it afflicted the whole body.

If you choose to look at all this in a vacuum maybe ... with Druckmann personal beliefs and his and ND work on TLOU2 (and even on uncharted 4 to some extent) .. no sorry... you are choosing to ignore previous precedent to fake correlation between woke/antiwoke extremism.

A bald character in some random game its not a problem outside "I dont like the looks of it" .. its dies there.

A "female" bald ugly masculinized character in a Druckmann/ND game ?... is all the red flags needed for the people that were maybe still hoping this time he would stay away from controversial/woke elements.

 

[bighugeguns]

Hold on.

Are people actually using like/dislike ratio on YouTube as an indication of anything? There's no way.

Correct, you only need one glance to know this is a fuckup.

If you actually held creative directors properly financially accountable for their dumbfuck decision-making then the protagonist would be a 1:1 of peak Megan Fox, every time.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

This doesn't seem anything like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Jordan has a tattoo on her neck showing Five Aces and the newspaper clippings indicate they were part of a criminal organization and have since disbanded.

aaaaaaand we know the planet will go to shit so its time for them to settle their differences and get the gang back together. Same shit.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I like all the 80s references:

 

[realcool]

And before anyone mentions the dislikes don't mean shit.

What do likes mean if dislikes don't mean anything?

 

[bighugeguns]

What do likes mean if dislikes don't mean anything?

At this point in AI, is any feedback received from the internet worth anything?

Could take ten coordinated crazies from resetera armed with bot accounts to destroy a publisher's internal market perception. Have to wonder if projects like Concord didn't fall victim to these catastrophically dangerous online opinion vacuums.