DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Nothing in the trailer suggests that. Shows some form of corruption within their group.
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VulcanRaven
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People who are angry about something are more likely to dislike a video. Its like review bombing. I don't remember the last time I liked a Youtube video.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
this game will hardly exceed 6 million but with 3.4 million it pays for itself, the other 2.6 million is profit, and all the struggle of the 70% of those who posted in this thread or made a video on YouTube will not have been worth it (I mean on YouTube it's worth it because there are a lot of people turning hate against games into a profitable business).
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You mess with someone's money... they care.
If some changes aren't made it will hurt potential sales.
Not saying it won't sell but I am saying it will sell millions less.
Kotaro
Member
uh yeah.....
In 2024 alone, Suicide Squad, Skull and Bones, Star Wars Outlaws, Concord, Dragon Age: Veilguard, Assassins Creed Shadows..... all have high YT dislikes count; All high profile AAAA games; 5 flops, 1 completely blown out of the orbit, 1 got delayed
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yet Portal is far exceeding their expectations.
People who were upset with the Last of Us Part II and refused to buy the game were clearly going to dislike the video. It's also going to attract people who have no interest in video games and are doing it because they believe the game is "woke."
This is 200k dislikes is different than millions of actual customers. The majority of the people watching the trailer will not react to it by like or disliking the video.
coachmcguirk91
Member
It is annoying when people say Sony can't afford the rising budgets of their games. In terms of revenue, they make way more money off 3rd party sales, Microtransactions, and their subscription services than 1st party sales. These big AAA games for Sony also sell consoles and gets people in their ecosystem, which is rarely ever factored in the equation. If there is one publisher who can afford to eat the costs, it's Sony
I agree, roughly 5 million in sales plus contending for GOTY are probably Sony's expectations. They want to be known as the Apple of gaming, only top quality.
I think both Naughty Dog and Santa Monica are considered to be in the top 5 or 10 studios in the industry. It would surprise me if their games didn't sell well, just by the hype of their reputation alone
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Wandering Leopard
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Who knows why, but it's clearly the artists intention to create a female character that most people wouldn't find attractive, they instead want us to focus on something else eg. The music, visuals, comparison to Akira and Cowboy Bebop.
It's actually not so different from a game where the protagonist is covered in armour the whole time so you've got no idea what they look like - because how they look is not the focus of the game.
To me, this character reminds me a little of Vasquez from Aliens, a female character with very little femininity, displays recklessness and flaws- but is an amazing character during that movie.
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Fess
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She’s a scanned actress:
What they could’ve done is have her use some makeup or earrings or some cool face tattoos or cybernetics or whatever, or let her have hair. There is a whole industry there to doll up women so there are a million ways to make her more appealing than what is there now.
But I would assume that it’s a deliberate and very calculated politically driven strategy about stripping away femininity.
bighugeguns
Member
Sorry I think I worded it wrong; my point is I don't put much stock in any online feedback for or against whatever simply because of how accessible and scaled AI became, I just meant to say I knew there was trouble the first second I saw the protagonist, no metrics or analytics, just knowing it's yet another boring social political supercharged 2016 era overbudget project going to market.
Yet Portal is far exceeding their expectations.
People who were upset with the Last of Us Part II and refused to buy the game were clearly going to dislike the video. It's also going to attract people who have no interest in video games and are doing it because they believe the game is "woke."
This is 200k dislikes is different than millions of actual customers. The majority of the people watching the trailer will not react to it by like or disliking the video.
I mean unless this isn't obvious to everyone with a working pulse; this game will perform like dogshit for Sony, who are historically used to massive ass home runs, like 20m+ sales etc, I think this will be disastrous actually compared to their historical successes.
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GermanZepp
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I referred "nutjobs" as the religious dudes in the lou2 not in particular for that skinny kid that hangs with Abby.
ND is gonna ship a solid game I think. It just seems to me that the main character is unlikable on purpose. It has some arrogant vibe going on. Maybe she is not the good guy and is hunting his ex partners.
Anyways, it has to be the second coming in gameplay and graphics for me to buy it, but I don't think I'm gonna.
I didn't bought dad of War 2 or horizon 2, the kid and aloy are lame.
S0ULZB0URNE
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P.Jack
Member
It’s a Naughty Dog game, I’ll play it. Even if they’d put in the ugliest fucker I’ve ever seen, I’d still play it. Some devs I trust will make a good game, I don’t need to see shit before buying that disc.
They had me at Crash Bandicoot back in 1996. The worst game they’ve released since is still a good game. Imma let them cook whatever the fuck they feel like cooking, no questions asked.
They had me at Crash Bandicoot back in 1996. The worst game they’ve released since is still a good game. Imma let them cook whatever the fuck they feel like cooking, no questions asked.
bighugeguns
Member
This is the correct attitude, just fanboy and play it anyway, it'll be great because Naughty Dog but I maintain their decisions won't help them to meet Sony's (probably very high) expectations.
Pressure is probably even higher because of Concord. Like even with die hard studio and publisher fans I think this is going to be a bitch to market to people.
I mean these games come from years ago, they take so fkn long to build, I think they probably have discussed changing out the protagonist but imagine the work a change like that would mean, I'm sure there's a (early) point in these kind of projects where you just have to roll with it and hope it doesn't implode on impact like Concord did.
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KaiserBecks
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This is a valid argument. But isn’t it funny though that we’re coming up with explanations how this wouldn’t make sense business wise yada yada yada, yet at any given opportunity we shit on publishers for having that point of view? Sven Vincke (BG3 director) got a lot of praise for his „recipe for a GOTY” speech at the game awards the other day and now, instead of praising a major publisher for backing a triple a project that lets the developer fulfil their vision, we’re bashing them because of an ugly looking character we know nothing about.
Astro Bot received criticism (albeit not to that extent) for being a full priced game, because apparently Jump and Runs are not supposed to have that kind of value for whatever reason.
Bottom line is, gamers are a special breed of costumer. You can’t make everyone happy and you have to be willing to step on toes. But I’m convinced if the final product is great, it’ll work out.
P.Jack
Member
“The people that made Uncharted and The Last of Us made a new game”
10 million copies sold.
bighugeguns
Member
How many copies did ND's best seller sell? Will this game do better than that? I mean that's the expectation, surely. Will it be profitable even? These big projects need to move enormous amounts of copies to even break even, sometimes the marketing budget is bigger than the actual development, huge costs.
You reckon Sony is going to earmark $150m for advertising for this game? THIS game?
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Dr.Morris79
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Fabieter
Member
If it takes a Naughty Dog flop for Hulst to stop his DEI crusade then so be it.
P.Jack
Member
They have two teams, right? I don’t think they are betting it all on this one game. They’ll make profit regardless, even if they don’t set the world on fire. It’s only a matter of if it’ll get a sequel or not.
bighugeguns
Member
Now remember, if you buy a copy, that doesn't mean they've made a profit yet, keep that in mind, they'll need to find you times like fifteen million. You reckon they're out there?
I personally don't think they'll budget as much marketing to this game like for instance, Last of Us, this seems pretty high risk to go hard on, every executive at Playstation would be removed if they pulled another Concord this close after the last catastrophe.
What Sony does with the advertising budget will be very interesting, because remember a game like this was cool back in 2016 when everyone was obsessed with activism and politics, now it's incredibly lame and drives away sales, so will Sony just ignore whatever and drive on dumping like $150m of investor money into this trying to market it, or will it get a youtube video or two and some access journalism coverage and that's that.
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P.Jack
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I reckon there are more people like me than whatever the fuck is going on in this thread, yes.
PeteBull
Member
No, but all of them are ugly as a sin, coz of male hormones usage, attraction isnt symetrical, its actually asymetrical, what men look in women/find attractive isnt what women find in men attractive.
Its ok for women to not know what men find attractive coz they attract men by just existing, its crucial for men to know what women find attractive coz at 18yo most of us, young men are basically 0 or close to 0 (sexual)value, aka we dont have characteristics that women find attractive, we have to attain them with time and hard work.
bighugeguns
Member
Certain the Concord fandom felt the same, appreciate your passion.
Yes, anything that intersects the creative and the commercial is a difficult tight rope walk.
It's the same deal in cinema. You want a magic concoction that is accessible to the widest possible demographic, easy to market, but also interesting and groundbreaking and compelling on an artistic and human level. The creatives that can pull all of that off are few and far between. Christopher Nolan can say "I want $150 million for a movie about physicists talking in the 1940s, hard R rating, explicit sex scenes" and studios execs fight over who gets to be the person to write the check. Usually it doesn't work that way, but he always delivers.
As you say, if the game is great it will probably work out. Druckmann has been extended a lot of creative freedom because of ND's track record up to this point. Marketing can perhaps find a way to deemphasize the unappealing protagonist and push stunning gameplay sequences and cinematics.
P.Jack
Member
Yeah, all them Firewalk Studios fans that played all their games going back to the 90s must’ve been really sad.
bighugeguns
Member
Nobody knows a game better than the people who make them, just pay attention to the marketing budget. I don't think it'll have much.
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Fake
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'This is ugly.'
"Showing more pictures proving the ugly.'' 'No, is not'
Even A.I is more smart than some soyboys defending this character.
"Showing more pictures proving the ugly.'' 'No, is not'
Even A.I. cannot defend this shit.
Even A.I is more smart than some soyboys defending this character.
midnightAI
Banned
Or, how about....
We don't know what happens before this cutscene, the opening is her shaving her head, she 'may' have had long(er) hair right up to this scene, she's going down to a hostile planet, no one has returned from there in 600 years, she's alone, in her spaceship, why would she doll herself up like she's going clubbing? she's going in to battle, its all perfectly reasonable if that is the case, it may have absolutely zero political agenda, we just don't know but everyone has gone batshit crazy over a shaved head female protagonist that looks (face at least) damn near perfect to the voice actress, like all the voice actors we have seen in the photo. It's crazy some people think they have 'uglified' the character, as in deliberately made the in game model look more ugly than the voice actor (I dont think many actually do that, I think some artists are just better than others and some engines are better than others), when its one of the closest in game renderings of an actual person I have ever seen (only maybe the Matrix UE5 thing gets as close.. Hellblade 2 also, maybe)
Many games are now using the likenesses of the voice actors, its nothing new (I actually think its pretty cool when they do that especially when its a recognised actor).
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bighugeguns
Member
You should start a consultancy firm and charge these morons $500k a pop to ask an AI if something looks like shit.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Which you think they would have wanted to do making their oh my goodness first impression
saintjules
Gold Member
Everyone talking about the looks of the Protagonist. Let's talk about the fire music the soundtrack is gonna be like.
near
Gold Member
Some people might find the character design appealing, and there is nothing wrong with that. But don’t be mad at those of us who fail to distinguish the intended gender and simply do not want to play as a character that we find unappealing.
I will also say this:
Every major corporation does extensive market research by reading social media posts. In recent years, this has been supplemented by machine learning to analyze thousands of posts in aggregate and determine whether consumer sentiment is positive or negative.
We even found out some years ago that Sony executives were using NeoGAF threads to gauge whether people were looking forward to certain movies.
If you think the sentiment on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and forums doesn't matter, you are mistaken. It matters to every company because it correlates with performance.
Every major corporation does extensive market research by reading social media posts. In recent years, this has been supplemented by machine learning to analyze thousands of posts in aggregate and determine whether consumer sentiment is positive or negative.
We even found out some years ago that Sony executives were using NeoGAF threads to gauge whether people were looking forward to certain movies.
If you think the sentiment on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and forums doesn't matter, you are mistaken. It matters to every company because it correlates with performance.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
I think that men don't need to become attractive to women, let's face the truth, society is pyramidal. Those at the top think they can define what is ugly and what is beautiful, the idea is to exclude. Most men are analogous to Tati Gabrielle's hair, she has problems in the industry for not finding specialized professionals, the man in turn is deceived into wanting women who are ''socially'' (because all of this is just a construction). above his capabilities.
The secret is to understand that... think of the most beautiful woman you could wish for, now look at the Intergalactic girl, if you can understand that both of them at the end of the day are the same person in essence everything will be resolved.
Dr.Morris79
Member
But that doesn't correlate for this, if that's true, and this game has been in the making for four years, is it?, they'd of scraped the data before even then that people hate this stuff
It's just that now people hate this stuff even more as it's more forced and people are seeing it
This seems to me like it's purely trying to railroad agendas, no matter the cost.
Fabieter
Member
Its not just the hair. Her whole shape is like a man. He isn't female at all. If Druckmann likes this than fine but he shouldn't force this nonsense onto us.
bighugeguns
Member
You should just go full on investing in user authentication, like if you can PROVE you're a video game discussion place with actual humans talking you'd be very valuable. Dude I wouldn't be surprised if these product subreddits are 90% AI at this point, worthless.
near
Gold Member
I’d imagine extensive market research led to this starting years back. A lot of the social discourse surrounding inclusion and the formation of an ideological cult with its cancel culture. People wanted this and it was a very vocal minority of the gaming community.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
She is a character in a game, a fiction. No one is going to play the game and then look for a woman with muscle mass to date.
Fake
Member
Maybe intimidate his wife's boyfriend.
DrFigs
Member
It's just not worth it arguing with these people. there a million reasons in universe why she would prefer to have a shaven head. why she's a tough bounty hunter instead of a dainty stay at home mom. but it doesn't matter. the actual substance of the game doesn't matter. it's all about whether or not it conforms to their political views. and then they project it as everyone else being political.
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Shubh_C63
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Amongst many, Gone Girl soundtrack still is one of my favorites. I keep humming the trailer's sound bite.
Dr.Morris79
Member
midnightAI
Banned
She isn't even that big, does she have some muscles? sure, but she certainly ain't no Abby. She isnt that much bigger than Vasquez in Aliens (and she's just an actress not an actual military person. I still reckon that they took lots of inspiration from Aliens)
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Fabieter
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I don't like characters which look like they are taking testosterone. It's shitty disign and offputting. Fuck druckmann for sharing his kinks with us.
Dr.Morris79
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Loboxxx
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It saddens me a little bit what this world is becoming, now with the excuse of the woke, the console war crazies have a new weapon to throw at the companies, a weapon that does a lot of damage to the people behind these games. It is really disturbing and cruel the society we have.