This is an incredible breakdown. Kyrie and Love have so many fundamental defensive lapses that it's like they never even played organized basketball before. Frye will see a lot more playing time Game 2. But I have no idea what the Cavs are going at PG. They might just have to live with Kyrie and hope the Warriors aren't too cruel.
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This is an incredible breakdown. Kyrie and Love have so many fundamental defensive lapses that it's like they never even played organized basketball before. Frye will see a lot more playing time Game 2. But I have no idea what the Cavs are going at PG. They might just have to live with Kyrie and hope the Warriors aren't too cruel.
Surprised LeBron even gave her the pleasure of glossing his eyes that direction
SparkleMotion
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When LeBron went back to Cleveland and they got Love, I saw some big name analysts saying that Kyrie and Love were an upgrade to Wade and Bosh for LeBron. It was ridiculous back then, and even more ridiculous now.
Who said that!? Name names! Point fingers!
I think Bosh was extremely underrated on those Heat teams.
SparkleMotion
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Colin Cowherd, Stephen A, Jason Whitlock, some guys on Around the Horn, not sure specifically which of those zoo members said it.
KazenY2J
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I still have no clue why he went back.
The jersey burnings, the boos he got everytime he went there with Miami, Dan Gilbert's letter, etc.
Wade is, what, the fourth best Shooting Guard ever? And Bosh is a sure-fire Hall of Famer. Saying Kyrie and Love are better than those two are basically anointing Kyrie as the second coming of Kobe and Love as, say, the next Karl Malone. So, yeah, you'd have to know next to nothing about basketball to make those claims.
Wade won a title before LeBron arrived. Kyrie couldn't even carry the Cavs to 30 wins. Ugh... hot takes are the worst.
Remember how badly the Spurs beat the Heat? LeBron thought Wade and Bosh were done (he was half right...) and bolted to a young team with assets that he could make old and stagnant. Yay LeBron!
Powdered Egg
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Bosh can ball. He carried some games.
PadWarrior
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Bosh was key in that pacers series when he came back from injury in the conference finals.
The fact is that in the East, having 2 or 3 superstars is enough to guarantee an easy conference championships. For the last two decades, there have been 4-5 teams on any given year in the western conference which win 60 games (or like, 57 or 58). It's near impossible to pull off a first round upset, and teams with 3 or 4 stars can struggle to get out of the second round.
Take the 2004 lakers: They had Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton. They made it to the NBA finals. But they had to upset the Spurs in the second round, and in the WCF, they lucked out and got a Wolves team which had lost both its starting point guard (Sam Cassell) and its backup PG (Troy Hudson). That wolves team had to rely on Derrick Martin (a 3rd stringer), Fred Hoiberg (a SG who hadn't played the point since high school), and Kevin Garnett to run the offense in 4 out of 6 games. And it would have gone 7 games were it not for Kareem Rush having the best game of his life.
Teams are fucking stacked in the west. Rosters are worn down by the time they reach the finals.
In game 1, klay and Curry were off, and Curry looked completely gassed at times. The East champions almost always come in relatively fresh. The cavs got blown out despite all this, while giving the splash bros easy looks. They're fucked.
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Take the 2004 lakers: They had Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton. They made it to the NBA finals. But they had to upset the Spurs in the second round, and in the WCF, they lucked out and got a Wolves team which had lost both its starting point guard (Sam Cassell) and its backup PG (Troy Hudson). That wolves team had to rely on Derrick Martin (a 3rd stringer), Fred Hoiberg (a SG who hadn't played the point since high school), and Kevin Garnett to run the offense in 4 out of 6 games. And it would have gone 7 games were it not for Kareem Rush having the best game of his life.
Teams are fucking stacked in the west. Rosters are worn down by the time they reach the finals.
In game 1, klay and Curry were off, and Curry looked completely gassed at times. The East champions almost always come in relatively fresh. The cavs got blown out despite all this, while giving the splash bros easy looks. They're fucked.
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Andrew Korenchkin
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Pisses me off when people write of Bosh to this day. He's the reason why Ray Allen was able to shoot that three with the Heat by grabbing the key rebound.
Gunslinger
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So the king is going to be swept 4-0 isnt he?
No. The Cleveland Cavaliers are.
CassidyIzABeast
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNPqjRWniY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFZ6F4UeuzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-ivyuxOnI
I won't stand for any Big Shot Bosh slander.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFZ6F4UeuzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-ivyuxOnI
I won't stand for any Big Shot Bosh slander.
ryutaro's mama
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Face of the franchise. It's his team. So yes, the CHOSEN1 would be the guy getting swept, if it were to happen.
I really don't want it to happen...I need a 7 game series...not ready for basketball to be over.
Crimson_Echidna
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Don't even remind me of that Spurs series. lol
I'm not even mad about who it turned out perse since the Heat was operating on cruise control all season and was looking prone to a beatdown, it was the media circus afterwards. People in the media writing an obituary to Wade's career.
Lebron wanted to be part of an organization that he could have more direct influence on the decisions they made. Riley is not the type of GM to kowtow to his players whims. That and finally bringing a championship to Cleveland would be a nice feather on his cap.
The way the game is played today Bosh is absolutely huge. He can guard multiple positions, rebound and he could score 15 points without the Heat running any plays for him.
For whatever reason whenever the Heat failed some people blamed Bosh more than Wade and Lebron.
CherryWoodFuton
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Wade was so out of shape that season... before the start of the recent season he lost a lot of weight.
edit: your missing that clutch block bosh had on tony parker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaC9r4mQ5o
Ninja Scooter
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Dayum. David Thorpe went HAM on Iman Shumpert in the latest Zack Lowe podcast. Doesn't paint a pretty picture for the Cavs. Lowe points out how the Warriors offense made even guys like Shumpert, who was supposed to be the defensive perimeter guy for Cleveland, look silly.
Ninja Scooter
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Branding. He did the villain thing. Won 2 titles. Went to 4 Finals. Started butting heads with Riley and probably thought that the Heat roster was getting old and, even if he won another ring or two with the Heat, he was never going to change the narrative on his career. The only way to do that was to go to Cleveland, where 1 title meant as much as winning 5 or 6 in Miami/NY/LA or anywhere else. It was about starting the third phase of his career and having an overnight image makeover.
HeisenbergLannister
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LeBron with that Punch-Out like collapse.
"To be fair, it's alright to bail on your teammate and friend at the first sign of slippage."
I understand why LeBron went back to Cleveland, but it was a dick move. And for a guy who so brazenly chases championship, he's done a terrible job of winning titles.
I just meant from a strategic standpoint I can see why he thought Wade was done.
Very true.
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Ninja Scooter
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You mean it's not best out of 1?
People and jumping to these conclusions. Lebron was supposedly looking at returning to Cleveland before Miami even began their last playoff run. Gilbert and Lebron had made up before then. The only way I thought he would've stayed is if they 3peated.
Its so strange how people talk with such certainty about things they couldn't even begin to know.
Its so strange how people talk with such certainty about things they couldn't even begin to know.
You just mentioned all the asshats in sports media.
Like you are now?
So as a Wolves fan in a similar situation to what the cavs were in just before GM lebron returned, I can't crticize the Cavs' complete mishandling of their youth?
OKC fans can't criticize the cavs' complete inability to throw the warriors off their game?
They're the eastern conference champions - they should be embarrassed that the warriors walked all over them with Klay and Curry shooting under 30%. They don't look like they belong on this stage.
Ninja Scooter
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That's not how this works. This thread doesn't exist just for Warrior and Cavs fans to "GG" each other.
And the series doesn't even start until someone loses a home game. But if Cleveland loses game 3, will the series start and stop in the same instant because a team has never come back from being down 0-3? That's the real question.
friskykillface
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I wish the game was on now , I'm bored
Will the Celtics stillhave the most chips for another 10+ years ? Or will Max Barnes tie the title count next season
Will the Celtics stillhave the most chips for another 10+ years ? Or will Max Barnes tie the title count next season
Ninja Scooter
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I think the game being considered a walk or blowout or whatever is pretty over exaggerated. 15 points isn't that unusual of a margin, and it was basically even through most of the game.
But yeah, it will be bad news for the Cavs when Steph and Klay show up.
ryutaro's mama
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Mhm...
Lakers had to win 4 of 6 in 2001.
Heat had to win 4 of 5 in 2006.
Dallas had to win 4 of 6 in 2011.
Heat had to win 4 of 6 in 2012.
Heat had to win 4 of 6 in 2013.
That's just off the top of my head...
It means don't count out a team before they've defended their home court. You're supposed to win the first 2 games if you're the home team.
If every game is won by the home team through 6 it goes to a game 7 where in sports anything can happen.
Ninja Scooter
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yes anything can happen, but if you haven't been able to win on the other team's home court in games 1, 2 or 5, I wouldn't count on it happening in game 7. There's a reason it's so rare in the NBA for a road team to win a Game 7. If the Cavs lose game 2, it's over (hell I think it's probably over now based on the way the machups looked). You aren't beating a 73 win team 4 times in 5 games.
It's not just a matter of wins and losses. It's how you win and lose.
At no point in game 1 were the Warriors at the mercy of the Cavs. At no point did the cavs force the warriors to play their style of game, they didn't throw the warriors off their gameplan, they didn't even challenge the warriors defensively. The cavs weren't exactly off-key with the way they were playing, either. The warriros just had an unbelievably subpar shooting night.
And the cavs still got blown out and trailed for like 46 minutes.
If you can't even challenge a team playing at their worst, you have no chance while they'r'e playing average or at their best.
ryutaro's mama
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Dallas look pretty in control of that series in 2006 through 2 and a half games...
Not saying the Cavs will win it but it's far too early to be calling the series a wrap.
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