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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.

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Gigglepoo said:
And if the Warriors win in seven with the home teams sweeping? Would the series still not have started?

It's weird logic that sportscasters say but I've never understood.
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It's just a dumb sports cliche that hangs around because it kind of sounds good and American sports TV doesn't like moments without talking. (And granted, post-game shows have to say something.)
 
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ryutaro's mama said:
Mhm...

Lakers had to win 4 of 6 in 2001.
Heat had to win 4 of 5 in 2006.
Dallas had to win 4 of 6 in 2011.
Heat had to win 4 of 6 in 2012.
Heat had to win 4 of 6 in 2013.

That's just off the top of my head...
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Heat won in 6 in 2006. Dallas won the first two games and then the series became 5 on 8.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
a sweep would lead to a pretty entertaining offseason too, as everyone would be speculating as to where Kyrie and Love would be traded to, and whether or not Luke would give Lue a spot on his staff.
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Kyrie trade possibilities make my mind race. Also, I can't forget about Dwight. I feel like unless they test his vert and find it to be 9 inches at this point, he's going to end up on one of these two teams. He would be so happy in CA and they could use him against the Thunder.
 
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TTG said:
Kyrie trade possibilities make my mind race. Also, I can't forget about Dwight. I feel like unless they test his vert and find it to be 9 inches at this point, he's going to end up on one of these two teams. He would be so happy in CA and they could use him against the Thunder.
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Kyrie probably has a ton of value around the league, but the problem is that the teams that value him are probably young teams/non-contenders, so really what can they offer to GM LeBron that will help him win NEXT year? Like, if, hypothetically, you could get Oladipo and ALfrid Peyton from Orlando (not that the Magic would necessarily do that, just throwing a scenario out there) does that help Cleveland next season? LeBron's got that window to worry about.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Kyrie probably has a ton of value around the league, but the problem is that the teams that value him are probably young teams/non-contenders, so really what can they offer to GM LeBron that will help him win NEXT year? Like, if, hypothetically, you could get Oladipo and ALfrid Peyton from Orlando (not that the Magic would necessarily do that, just throwing a scenario out there) does that help Cleveland next season? LeBron's got that window to worry about.
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Not to go all "Stephen A.", but Kyrie for CP3?
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Dayum. David Thorpe went HAM on Iman Shumpert in the latest Zack Lowe podcast. Doesn't paint a pretty picture for the Cavs. Lowe points out how the Warriors offense made even guys like Shumpert, who was supposed to be the defensive perimeter guy for Cleveland, look silly.
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link?
 
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TTG said:
God, I wish the Warriors would sweep these finals. I know they don't sweep anyone, not unless there's a Curry draining a 3 over all 5 of the opposing team moment in it, but the media would be at their most obnoxious all summer.
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I'm with you. It would be hysterical if they get swept, especially if LeGM complains about the squad he built after the series is over.
 
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TTG said:
Kyrie trade possibilities make my mind race. Also, I can't forget about Dwight. I feel like unless they test his vert and find it to be 9 inches at this point, he's going to end up on one of these two teams. He would be so happy in CA and they could use him against the Thunder.
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Kyrie seems like the ultimate big stats, bad teammate player.

I would want nothing to do with him on the Pelicans.

The only reason I feel like fans respect him and continually put him into top 5 PG conversations is because he makes good looking highlights and nice numbers. Who got to play on a bad team he could be the focal point of.

His defense is so bad and his lack of facilitation skills basically makes him a player I just can't see ever winning a championship if he can't do it with Lebron willing this team to a chip.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Kyrie probably has a ton of value around the league, but the problem is that the teams that value him are probably young teams/non-contenders, so really what can they offer to GM LeBron that will help him win NEXT year? Like, if, hypothetically, you could get Oladipo and ALfrid Peyton from Orlando (not that the Magic would necessarily do that, just throwing a scenario out there) does that help Cleveland next season? LeBron's got that window to worry about.
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Cleve should keep Kyrie.

Love is the one to me that they need to turn into a big who can finish off the pick and roll and defend the rim. For what the Lebron offense is you are never going to be able to utilize Love. Frye gives you what they ask for Love and is as shitty of a defender as he is. What they need to get from a Love trade is a rim protector. A rim protector is going to really help clean up a lot of the deficiencies of Kyrie, Thompson and the rest of these bums. Right now he has no help and guys like Livingston don't have to worry about anyone other than Lebron blocking their shot. LeBron can't do it by himself. You can't be both the best perimeter defender AND the best shot blocker on a team AND have to run the offense. You can get away with that against the garbage in the East but the elite Western teams are too talented and they will rip that shit to shreds.

If Shumpert can't lock people down and can't make 3s he also needs to go.

The problem is that every fucking team in the league wants good perimeter defenders who can knock down shots and rim protectors who can finish off the pick and roll. For the latter I think they should take a chance on Dwight. Who else can they get with the assets they have? As for a perimeter defender, I have no idea who they can get or who can help them out.
 
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bionic77 said:
Cleve should keep Kyrie.

Love is the one to me that they need to turn into a big who can finish off the pick and roll and defend the rim. For what the Lebron offense is you are never going to be able to utilize Love. Frye gives you what they ask for Love and is as shitty of a defender as he is. What they need to get from a Love trade is a rim protector. A rim protector is going to really help clean up a lot of the deficiencies of Kyrie, Thompson and the rest of these bums. Right now he has no help and guys like Livingston don't have to worry about anyone other than Lebron blocking their shot. LeBron can't do it by himself. You can't be both the best perimeter defender AND the best shot blocker on a team AND have to run the offense. You can get away with that against the garbage in the East but the elite Western teams are too talented and they will rip that shit to shreds.

If Shumpert can't lock people down and can't make 3s he also needs to go.

The problem is that every fucking team in the league wants good perimeter defenders who can knock down shots and rim protectors who can finish off the pick and roll. For the latter I think they should take a chance on Dwight. Who else can they get with the assets they have? As for a perimeter defender, I have no idea who they can get or who can help them out.
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Outside of maybe Danny Ainge, I don't see anyone giving up much for Love. His value is pretty low right now for a guy making max money.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Outside of maybe Danny Ainge, I don't see anyone giving up much for Love. His value is pretty low right now for a guy making max money.
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Love was really used horribly in Cleveland and honestly I can't think of any big that really ever got a chance with Lebron. I am not sure if that is the coach or the player. Bosh found a way to flourish, but they never really ran shit for him. He was just great enough to find a way to be productive even though he only got crumbs on offense.

I think Love still has value so a smart GM and coach could find a way to make use of him and they might get him for nothing because of his current value.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Your head coach being your gm is almost always going to lead to a bad GM. Doc the coach is worried about those 2 years, not rebuilding around Kyrie.
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SVG in Detroit is working well so far in a dual role. He basically blew up the entire team except for Andre Drummond and rebuilt it from scratch.
 
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Gigglepoo said:
Which is why Doc is a bad GM. CP3 has two prime years left if he's lucky.
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I don't think I give up CP3 for Kyrie either. Not unless Kyrie is locked up for 5+ years somehow, but even then, I don't know. CP3 is as good as it gets in terms of a conventional point guard. On the other hand, Kyrie may be permanently borked if in just his 4th(isn't it?) season he's already been hurt in one playoff run and booted off a Lebron team the next. What if you get Irving for CP3 and things go the way of Melo and the Knicks?



bionic77 said:
Cleve should keep Kyrie.

Love is the one to me that they need to turn into a big who can finish off the pick and roll and defend the rim. For what the Lebron offense is you are never going to be able to utilize Love. Frye gives you what they ask for Love and is as shitty of a defender as he is. What they need to get from a Love trade is a rim protector. A rim protector is going to really help clean up a lot of the deficiencies of Kyrie, Thompson and the rest of these bums. Right now he has no help and guys like Livingston don't have to worry about anyone other than Lebron blocking their shot. LeBron can't do it by himself. You can't be both the best perimeter defender AND the best shot blocker on a team AND have to run the offense. You can get away with that against the garbage in the East but the elite Western teams are too talented and they will rip that shit to shreds.

If Shumpert can't lock people down and can't make 3s he also needs to go.

The problem is that every fucking team in the league wants good perimeter defenders who can knock down shots and rim protectors who can finish off the pick and roll. For the latter I think they should take a chance on Dwight. Who else can they get with the assets they have? As for a perimeter defender, I have no idea who they can get or who can help them out.
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Love isn't going to turn into any of that. He's 6'10 with an average reach and not much in the way of athleticism. I think the problem is starting Thompson at 5. When the Cavs got Mozgov last year I was like wow, this is what Lebron's been missing for 4 years in Miami. He doesn't have to dive head first at the rim to get a rebound all the time or claw at opposing bigs to prevent Bosh from being steamrolled.

On a more macro scale Kyrie and Love looked like they fit better than Wade and Bosh because they're both excellent shooters and they're younger. As far as I know, that's still the case. At some point you gotta look at the other side(a team that's 73-9) and say we'll be back next year with better ancillary players and more continuity and maybe they won't be there or be worse.

edit: lol, you meant turn Love into as in trade Love, not coach him up or whatever. My bad.
 
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For the Wiggins discussion a few pages ago, I heard that he actually isn't all that great a defender. He has the physical tools to excel, but his understanding of play sets and position is still developing.

But then again, the last time I read about Wiggins, pundits were talking about how he was regularly being assigned to guard the opposing team's best wing player.

Edit: I'm also not entirely sold on Wiggins, even though I'm Canadian. :( His jumper still looks kind of weird, his handles are still weak, and his only (albeit lethal) offensive move is his spin. I see his ceiling as T-Mac, but I hope he can do sustain that for a longer period of time than |Mac.
 
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Kieli said:
For the Wiggins discussion a few pages ago, I heard that he actually isn't all that great a defender. He has the physical tools to excel, but his understanding of play sets and position is still developing.

But then again, the last time I read about Wiggins, pundits were talking about how he was regularly being assigned to guard the opposing team's best wing player.

Edit: I'm also not entirely sold on Wiggins, even though I'm Canadian. :( His jumper still looks kind of weird, his handles are still weak, and his only (albeit lethal) offensive move is his spin. I see his ceiling as T-Mac, but I hope he can do sustain that for a longer period of time than |Mac.
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This is one of the reasons wolves fans are so pumped for thibs

Hope is that he can help realize wiggins defensive potential
 
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Jonm1010 said:
The only reason I feel like fans respect him and continually put him into top 5 PG conversations is because he makes good looking highlights and nice numbers. Who got to play on a bad team he could be the focal point of.
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also, not to be too flip, those Pepsi Uncle Drew commercials are very slick.
 
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Kayo Police said:
I really want Team Super BFF to be a thing.
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If the Warriors win this year then it really should happen just so there is a viable rival in the East. I think GSW could actually be better next year (assuming the line up stays the same) though with a worse record. This year you could feel them getting worn out by the pressure of needing to be a historical team. Next year they can coast as much as they want, doesn't really matter as long as they're ready for the playoffs.
 
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OldMan said:
My mamma taught me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all... Y'all who don't have your team in the finals need to take your bitterness to the offseason thread LOL
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Not sold on Warriors play, their style is indeed a fad and the fact that their flatline ball is excelling in the NBA is a joke. But than again that region hypes up the most ridiculous shit, Andre Igadola, Sean Livingston really? Cleveland Cavaliers suddenly turning into dumbasses who don't know how team sport works at the wrong time of the year so they picked the PERFECT time to not trust in one another lol.! Very underwhelming finals and playoffs in general.

LeBron made Curry look like a kid and the dudes only what, 2 years older? Hopefully we see some real competition going forward because this shit is WEAK, how's that for your Mamma.!? LOL

Got Cavs winning one on the road in overtime off a bank shot, there's no way you bring in Fry from the west and the New York boys and not have stopping power and shooting NOT connect.
 
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BlackFlip said:
Scott Foster & Tony Brothers tonight.
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Oh boy here we go with Foster.



Zach Lowe
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Stat to watch tonight: In 3 games vs GSW, Cavs are 46-of-96 (48%) from restricted area -- lowest figure GSW has allowed vs any opponent.
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Man the storylines if GS wins this are gonna be crazy.

Curry is going to be crowned and Lebron officially dethroned. Will anyone be able to say anything about the validity of the Warriors if they win against a fully healthy squad this time around?

Honestly, I have a hard time liking the cavs when i got to experience the Heatles era. What a magnificent display of theatre. Lebron was so amazing with D-Wade by his side and Bosh supporting them both by not being a part of the villainy, but by being a goddamn amazing baller. Could you imagine Lebron joining the retooled heat cast and a healthier d wade to try to stop the 3-peat of the Warriors next season?
 
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Ok, never mind. Just did a quick search on Scott Foster. If I were a conspiracist I would say this is intentional to create drama and give the Cavs a win.

This guy seems like he shouldn't even be reffing anymore, especielly ever against GS.
 
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Jonm1010 said:
Ok, never mind. Just did a quick search on Scott Foster. If I were a conspiracist I would say this is intentional to create drama and give the Cavs a win.

This guy seems like he shouldn't even be reffing anymore, especielly ever against GS.
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scott foster sucks i hate scott foster
 
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rambis

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I mean if Golden State wins this game they'll only have done what they were supposed to do and win the first home games. Its like people are new to the playoffs or something.


Usually games 3 & 5 are the pivotal point of a competitive series.
 
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Like Bron Bron's soul gotta burn a bit if this ends the same as last year. Came back to "The Land" to be LeGM LeEmperor just to have golden state possibly go back to back on him.

They will snatch a game obviously but that's probably when/if Kyrie can actually play Defense instead of everyone just scoring on him like this is some pickup game at the Y
 
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