Lionel Richie
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Why do you assume people hate Lebron for the bullshit he pulls outside of the court instead of the bullshit he does inside?
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Why do you assume people hate Lebron for the bullshit he pulls outside of the court instead of the bullshit he does inside?
Mix Master
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DataStream
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Gsw by 30+
bigmit3737
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How about the last 50-100 games?
And what about other refs? We need some other numbers to compare.
thehypocrite
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An average record on the finals is way more success than 99.9999999999999% of all the other players in the league.
What a tragedy, Am I right brahs?
Why? Is he gonna call those flops & illegal screens by the dubs?
Look at the stats of LeBron teams after losing the 1st game. I can also cherry pick stats.
Thank you.
Yes. I'm sure there's some stats that can attest to that.
The number of people that hate Lebron is completely different than the number of people that would hate Dirk Nowitzki if he did this.
Dirk wins a championship with the ghost of Jason Kidd and everytime Lebron loses in the Finals, it's because his hand-picked team of all stars wasn't good enough. If you want the title of being the best in the league, then win.
beat
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Every team flops, and every team breaks the rules when they screen. Most teams just don't take as much advantage of the space created.
Lee Chaolan
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Go Cavs! Let's bring it back tied!
thehypocrite
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Right 5v5 Basketball it's an individual game. Got it.
That's one of the most frustrating aspects of talking about LeBron. People are so eager to measure his legacy while he's still building it. There's no intention of having that discussion once he has retired from the game and there's sufficient distance to avoid recency bias. That would make too much sense & there's no need for that. We need the next meme, the next new thing, there's no room for an individual to be a person and have to go through the ups & downs that EVERYONE experiences. Nah, he needs to be perfect all the time otherwise he's trash.
thehypocrite
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That's true, but those are still illegal plays that refs can call. For ALL teams.
If he is not getting suspended for kicking adams in the nuts he aint getting suspended.
Uno Venova
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And as shown last year, impressive stats for Lebron always equals a win for his team.
Elfforkusu
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thehypocrite
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I talked about team stats though....... guess that doesn't fit your narrative. Sorry for disrupting it.
That falls under "would you do whatever it takes to win a championship?"
As much as you don't personally like it, flopping is a viable strategy that can be used to work the refs and make calls in your favor. It can be the difference between a win and a loss. Yes, it's a sad truth of the league, but it isn't Lebron's fault. He's above "oh I'm not gonna flop because I'm scared of what people might think of me" because he wants to win. Change the way games are refereed and the flopping will stop.
Look at the tremendous amount of wins under his belt throughout his entire career, look at his output, he is the best in the league. His teams just suck ass. But that's not his fault, he made rational decisions that any person would have made in his position.
Why would you intentionally choose to play in a more difficult conference? Just to appease people? Yeah, Lebron's finals record isn't that great, but at least he's had opportunities to win rings. He could have made it to the finals only once in the western conference and only won a single ring throughout his entire career. Is that somehow better because his record is 1-1? Would people respect him more?
Also, if you had a pool of players to select from or that you could choose to play with, why would you not choose the best of the best? The all stars? The players that will give you the best CHANCE at winning a title at that moment in time? Do you think Lebron should have picked a bunch of nobodies or patiently let his team be built through the draft just so that maybe it will work out and maybe he will get an opportunity at a ring and MAYBE people will respect him more for it? No, he doesn't care, because he is gonna weigh the options and make the best decision at that time that prsents the highest chance at a ring. Yeah, it didn't work out like he planned, but that's luck of the draw. He still made the right decisions to even put himself in that position to win.
ryutaro's mama
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For an average player like Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant, sure but for the "King" with CHOSEN1 on his back?
Naw, brah.
Never forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSy3PDCsNNc
So yeah, get that work, LeBron.
rokkerkory
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kick him in the nuts draymond
Said the man with zero business acumen.
If you were showered with love and expectations your entire childhood, being told from every angle that you're the next "big thing" in basketball, it's easy to see this outcome. It's simple psychology. He's been groomed to act and think this way. Coming from nothing and being hailed as the next "big thing" in basketball can significantly impact you. He began to develop extreme confidence, and that confidence morphed into what you see in his tattoos and overall presentation.
But you need to understand that it's a crucial part of what makes Lebron special, and what makes him capable of what he does on the court. Mentality is everything. Even basketball amateurs know that confidence is a massive part of the game, so just imagine how much it helped Lebron to think of himself as the "chosen one" and the "king" when he stepped on the court. It made him capable of doing the things he does, making him feel unstoppable, like he can change the course of a game at any time. It was an identity that began in his childhood and molded him into who he is now, a mentality/identify that he needs to maintain in order to keep being who he needs to be. That explains his desperate and sometimes silly attempts at refocusing the spotlight on himself. That's all he has ever known. He's not "Lebron" without it. And yeah, it results in some undesirable traits such as making wilds claims about winning championships, but stop using it against him because it's just becoming silly. Be quick to understand and slow to judge. Think for a second about WHY he might be doing what he is doing instead of taking every chance to tear him down. It's childish.
ryutaro's mama
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And we live in a society where, if you brag, you better back that shit up. If not, well, people are ready to pounce. Ask Cam Newton...he'll tell you.
Anyone, MJ included, would respect the game enough not to act like running off 7 would be EASY. LeBron of all people (who till that point had only been swept in the Finals) should have recognized it. I'm not giving that guy a pass because he let the hype of his existence seep in and turn him into who he is.
At some point, life and circumstances teaches you a lesson and 2 and 4 in the Finals for a King isn't special.
Kobe Bryant won 2 championships with considerably less than LeBron had for his two championships and you NEVER heard that guy rattling off how easy winning multiple championships would be.
King Tubby
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I'll watch how I want to watch, you watch how you want to watch. I just think it's fun to see the pre-annointed chosen king or whatever fail to dominate and get shown up by someone else. That shit is just entertaining. The schadenfreude is delicious.
Thirty minutes on Google is all it takes to see how crummy this guy is.
Whether you are a Cavs fan or a Warriors fan, Foster really shouldn't be reffing a finals game. Probably any game but thats another story.
If he starts shit with Lebron you better believe he's getting suspended.
LOL.
These sort of posts are always humorous. The sensitivity of some Cavs fans is a bit bizarre.
Fan rivalries and preferences have been a staple of every sport for like ever. Lebron gets more focus then others because he is also in the spotlight more then others and being controversial will always bring about differing opinions and hard lines. And Lebron is no stranger to controversy. Through his own actions and some manufactured.
ryutaro's mama
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This one by him was much better. It's like Page 1 of Advanced Apologist 101:
Yes, those Miami teams sucked ass. LOL
friskykillface
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I don't blame him for anything, but if you want to have credit as GOAT, then stop blaming your teammates and start winning. Otherwise STFU and be humble. No need for him to throw shade on Curry winning MVP. That's some Westbrook shit. I don't have a problem with Lebron. I have a problem with him thinking he's a GOAT contender when the people who he's competing against have a shit ton more championships than he does. And yes, he can definitely help build better teams. Noone said he has to demand the max. Noone said he had to demand the max from his friends. He makes well more than enough just in endorsements.
How has he not backed it up? 6 straight finals appearances? 7 for his entire career? Everytime he gets there, his output is tremendous, legendary, some of the best performances we have ever seen. He's literally done everything he could be doing and more to make that earlier claim a reality, but at what point do you understand it's out of his hands and he's not the one to blame? He can only do so much, it's a team sport afterall, and he can't beat teams alone (even though he almost did it last year). His teams usually let him down, or the cards just don't fall in the right place. Luck still plays a role in sports, and Lebron has received the shitty end of the stick for many years. You keep digging at him like it's his fault. What do you honestly expect him to do? I've explained the reason for his overconfidence and wild claims, and we both know he's one of the greatest players of all time with historical outputs, so what's next? Please tell me.
MJ was a different beast entirely. First, growing up in a different era where he actually had some privacy and social media didn't jump all over him, we don't know what kind of thoughts he might have had or the claims he might have made. Second, MJs mentality was more of the underdog type, the silent killer, similar to Kobe (where a lot of the comparisons originate). He was the guy who everyone knew was dangerous, so he didn't need to always tell you. It fitted his own narrative. Lebron is just different, is all. He lives in a world where everyone is desperate to know what he thinks and what his next move is. He plays in a league that values individual stardom more than it does dynasties. The league today is more individualized than it was when MJ played, really cultivating the feeling of being "special" and "unique" on behalf of Lebron. Maybe Lebron just didn't have a figure in his life that taught him the value of being humble? That's ok too. After he started losing in the finals, what happened to his claims? They disappeared. He learned a valuable lesson and grew up a little as a result. Get off of his back.
Kobe had to be saved numerous times throughout his championship wins. His infamous shooting percentage when Gasol bailed him out in that game 7 especially. And it can be argued that those 3 in LA were more Shaqs's doing than Kobe's. Also, cant forget the fact that they had Phil Jackson on the bench. Kobe had the luxury of playing with players that are better than he is, which Lebron has never had, and playing for the best coach of all time. It makes a pretty big difference to have that surrounding you, even if you don't like to admit it. And that happened because Kobe was SELFISH and didn't want to play anywhere else. That all fell into his lap, and Lebron just hasn't had that same luck. Lebron has been unquestionably THE guy on every single run and effort his teams have made, regardless of whether it resulted in a win or loss. That says something about him as a player, and ties into my previous points about his overconfidence and mentality. The narrative of being a "King" and having control over the game. Someone is gonna say "ray bailed him out against the spurs" but that's not entirely true. Lebrons output throughout the year and up until that point put ray in the position to do that.
Its just silly to me when fans act like Lebron is some sort of unfairly persecuted victim and he should not be criticized for pretty much anything he does. Like i get some of the obnoxious bullshit but come on.
Like, no, I would not have tried to force my team to overpay a center that just so happens to belong to my good friends sports agency that I am a part of. No, I would not undermine my coach in a constant flow of public, passive aggressive gestures to get him fired and then make ridiculous statements like "I am actually very low on the totem poll in this organization." No, I would not take to twitter with some of the cryptic, easily misconstrued crap he has and hit send.
I don't think being critical of those things is some sort of injustice to the man.
ryutaro's mama
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By failing in 2/3s of those appearances when you call yourself the King/CHOSEN1.
It's not that hard to figure out. The rest of that fuckery is standard issue talking points, especially the "bu-bu-but 3 of those were Shaq's chips!" nonsense...yawn.
No one gives a fuck about making it to 6 straight Finals when you lost more than half of them.
Buffalo Bills made it to 4 straight SBs and won zero. No one cares.
Sorry bro, you can write all the paragraphs you want but 2 and 4 is LeBron's legacy so far. That is why people like me kill him.
ryutaro's mama
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Apologists gonna apologize.
Naw, according to that guy, those Miami teams sucked ass outside of LeBron. smh.
I'm not a Cavs fan. I'm a of using your head and thinking about shit before you say it. This thread is 50% Lebron hate and 50% twisting other peoples words to fit the hivemind narrative. I'll bet half of y'all aren't even gonna watch the game, you're just here for the drama and excitement. "Ooohh who's gonna get banned today!?"
You guys know what I mean. Stop twisting shit. Makes contributing to these threads pointless because you can't have discussions. You'll point out somethin and say "LOL what?!? Look at this! Look what he said guys! Everyone quote this so we can ignore all of his other VALID points and let his comment drift into obscurity!!"
Let's me know I'm right when you resort to that bullshit.
ryutaro's mama
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In your mind, of course you're right! In reality, we judge on WINNING as in winning it all. Not in being the Fantasy Basketball God of the regular season and fading in the Finals more often than you shine.
Not winning Eastern Conference Finals Disco balls 6x in a row.
Whose fault was 2011 when LeBron was missing in the 4 quarter of just about every game after 2? Was that his ass sucking team's fault?
Bam Bam Baklava
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A wise old man once said "just win baby."
Lionel Richie
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Lebron doesn't just flop. He bull rushes to the paint because he has no post moves whatsoever and you know he's going to either foul the defensive player or travel and neither is going to get called. And yet he will still act like the refs are torturing him everytime they dare calling a foul on him. His style is nice to watch when they're up big (especially on bad teams) and he's passing the ball nicely or dunking and shit, but when the game is tight it sucks so enjoy watching him brick 3's or drive through 10 guys on the lane for a layup miss.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I've been saying this for years, watching Lebron play is torture and it is even more clear when you juxtapose it with the poetry in motion of Curry.
The Faceless Master
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i don't get how people can't see why people want someone to fail after "not 2"
dude didn't even start at one
dude didn't even start at one
You and I both know that we could dig through this thread, likely even your post history, and find a ton of irrational shit piling on Lebron for countless silly reasons. Shit is personal with you guys, and that's what makes these NBA threads so vile and unwelcoming. That's why the old community is dead and we see the same 7-8 guys going back and forth. It has nothing to do with winning like you claim, because someone will post a gif of Lebron flopping and it will ignite a 4-5 page run of people digging at Lebron instead of just accepting the shit for what it really is. I'm tired of coming into these threads looking for some basketball talk and just seeing a bunch of personal, whiny bullshit. Like I said, you guys are more about drama than basketball. I thought I could maybe make some valid points and hopefully nudge the discussion away from pages and pages of blind Lebron hate into something a little more productive and worthwhile. I'll guarantee you I'm not the only one who thinks this way, but nobody else is willing to post because they know it's pointless.
You guys wonder where all the Cavs fans are? That's why. They know it's better to just not say anything because of the hivemind Lebron hate engine that powers this thread. This community isn't welcoming to anyone that doesn't fit that narrative. I gave you guys PAGES of valid points and discussion topics, but look at what it has degraded into? You pick and choose what you respond to, based on your own narrative, and then the people that have bought into that same narrative just fuel it until you resort to shit posts like "lol" and "I'm right because the 8 people in this thread agree with me" type posts, which you guys can't even see is the cause of you driving everyone else away. The Cavs fans make a brief return after wins because they think "there is no way that they can twist this" and bring some valid discussion to the thread, but you all still manage to contort it. There is no balance to this community because you guys are unreasonable in your discussions and posts. It's all one sided garbage.
LOL. You are lecturing people on twisting words and hive mind narratives while you literally started this whole dialogue by shoving anti-Lebroner's into your own perceived hive mind narrative to knock down.
All of your critiques toward people in here are literally similar manifestations of exactly what you are supposedly angry at others for doing.
Like how do you type the bolded and not grasp the inherent contradictions?
ryutaro's mama
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I've been pretty consistent on the shit I give LeBron throughout the years: He doesn't win when it matters 2/3s of the time.
I have no idea why you feel the need to write book responses to address that point. :|
LOL.
The bolded is proof you have no clue what you are talking about. Most of the people that used to posted aren't banned. They have chosen to go elsewhere to discuss basketball. Don't be upset if you didn't get the memo.
I presented you logic problems that you conveniently ignored. You still haven't answered ANYTHING I've asked.
I wonder why? Maybe the discussions had degraded into something that was not tolerated by NeoGAF? Hmmm
Ninja Scooter
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Y'all need to chill.
ryutaro's mama
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You should probably stop talking about things you clearly don't understand the full details about.
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