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[Bo_Hazem]

I want to see Sony's own version of VRS & Super Checkerboard rendering to achieve what DLSS is currently doing.

I've seen enough with Demon's Souls performance mode, I'm very satisfied if that's what you can make out of native 1440p. Also that's still not the full potential of the console.

 

[carloseduardocd]

The Medium - The Complete Technical Analysis - PC | Series X | Series S

Series S has about 5GB VRAM + 2.5GB Windows + 2.5GB system CPU game memory (sound, game heap, scripts, etc.). SFS could help a bit, but 5GB sounds weak for entire gen (2027 maybe?).

His points about XSX RT reflections are interesting too. Alex Battaglia showed many missing RT reflections on XSX, but Michael goes beyond. Its not only about missing reflections, but the game uses same XSS planar reflections in some moments. RT is occasional.

 

[carloseduardocd]

Well, of course lol. It's 4kcb. It wouldve been interesting to see if the PS5 could manage native 4k 60 fps with 10 tflops.

The PS4 runs this game at 1080p/30 fps at 1.84 tflops. Pro runs it at 1080p/60 fps or 4kcb/30 fps at at 4.2 tflops. No matter what the framerate or resolution, it seems to scale with tflops. So they wouldve needed 7.2 tflops for native 4k 30 fps and 14.4 tflops for native 4k 60 fps, probably a bit less with the zen 2 cpu eliminating some bottlenecks here and there.

10 rdna tflops is like 15 gcn 1 tflops so it's possible, but they wouldve had to release this as a PS5 sku to get native 4k 60 fps. 4kcb 60 fps is probably very easy to do here since you could probably do that with just 8.5 tflops. wouldnt be surprised if there is a lot of headroom left for more.

It will be interesting to see some ports to have better measure, not only BC FPS unlocked.


For me, TLOU2 will be remastered. Maybe Uncharted 4 and LL too in same package. Naughty Dog could unlock 60fps in BC mode, but these games run at fixed 1440p on PS4 Pro, and probably in BC mode they couldn't put highter resolution in easy way (probably hard code).

 

[kyliethicc]

Didn't Mark Cerny say you need a minimum of 8tflops to render native 4K, that's 8 tflops in GCN.

He never said for native 4K, just 4K. And he said 8 TF of FP16 aka 4 TF of FP32. And yes he meant using PS4 GCN GPU.

For me, TLOU2 will be remastered. Maybe Uncharted 4 and LL too in same package.

lol not a fucking chance we get TLOU2 + UC4 + UCLL all remastered in 1 package. A PS5 version of TLOU2? Sure. But I doubt they bother ever enhancing Uncharted.

And I suspect removing the 30 FPS cap in their PS4 games might require a fair amount of work. They seem to really use all 33 ms to render each frame with lots of graphical effects, not sure if doing all of that in 16 ms would be easy. Of course the PS5 could run the games at 60 Hz, I just wonder if its as quick and easy as we think for ND to "just uncap the framerate."

 

[SSfox]

Finally started Control, played for 2 hours and it's a nice surprise thus far, it gave me some vibes of both RE/SH/MGS, i didn't like Alan Wake but this game sound great and i have good feeling it may end up great, can't wait to go back to it. I didn't like much any remedy game since Max Payne, GG remedy.

Also this remind me Max Payne 3 and how i enjoyed this game also, and that... man i hope to see more than 1 game *coughGTA6cough* from Rockstar in the new gen PS5/XSX.

 

[carloseduardocd]

He never said for native 4K, just 4K. And he said 8 TF of FP16 aka 4 TF of FP32. And yes he meant using PS4 GCN GPU.


lol not a fucking chance we get TLOU2 + UC4 + UCLL all remastered in 1 package. A PS5 version of TLOU2? Sure. But I doubt they bother ever enhancing Uncharted.

And I suspect removing the 30 FPS cap in their PS4 games might require a fair amount of work. They seem to really use all 33 ms to render each frame with lots of graphical effects, not sure if doing all of that in 16 ms would be easy. Of course the PS5 could run the games at 60 Hz, I just wonder if its as quick and easy as we think for ND to "just uncap the framerate."

You're right. My text wasn't too clear. Only UC4 and UCLL in one package. TLOU2 in other package. All games remastered, but maybe no improvements in BC mode like Spiderman.

About uncap 30fps, i suspect the same. Maybe the ND engine could not scale FPS easily. It's not a question to put much better hardware and render a frame in 16.66ms.

There's a interesting presentation in GDC 2015 i guess, Naughty Dog engineer talking about the hard job to get 60fps in TLOU1 PS4 version. Of course PS3 has a unique architeture, but i believe this hard job has something about the ND engine too. Not only the exotic PS3 hardware.

 

[ethomaz]

Didn't Mark Cerny say you need a minimum of 8tflops to render native 4K, that's 8 tflops in GCN.

No he said he needs minimum 8TF to render native 4k at PS4 graphic level.

That last part is very important.

 

[ethomaz]

He never said for native 4K, just 4K. And he said 8 TF of FP16 aka 4 TF of FP32. And yes he meant using PS4 GCN GPU.

Nope.
He indeed said for PS4 level graphics you will need at least 8TFs for native 4k.
It was unrelated to FP16.
He said that to explain why you needed CBR on PS4 Pro to reach 4k.

 

[BGs]

 

[LiquidRex]

 

[Xyphie]

Looks like we can finally put to rest fanboy theories of unified L3 cache on the CPU, Infinity Cache for the GPU or any other large SRAM cache on the chip. Of course to no surprise to anyone sane.

 

[Madjako]

Do we have to zoom ourself?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Looks like we can finally put to rest fanboy theories of unified L3 cache on the CPU, Infinity Cache for the GPU or any other large SRAM cache on the chip. Of course to no surprise to anyone sane.

I don't really see anything.

Maybe an outline of the different components would help?

 

[LiquidRex]

 

[FranXico]

Looks like we can finally put to rest fanboy theories of unified L3 cache on the CPU, Infinity Cache for the GPU or any other large SRAM cache on the chip. Of course to no surprise to anyone sane.

There's nothing visible in detail? What are you talking about?

 

[Arioco]

At long last. There will be better shots soon.

 

[Used-ID]

Can't wait for the image(s) to be picked apart, and for the "discussions" that'll follow.

 

[Insane Metal]

*looks at image*

Yep that's a die shot alright!

 

[Insane Metal]

Now being serious... NO UNIFIED CACHE.

The dream is dead.

 

[Xyphie]

I don't really see anything.

Maybe an outline of the different components would help?

Rough outline.

 

[BGs]

Do we have to zoom ourself?

No, of course not. You must look at the photo carefully and you will see that the layers are disappearing.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Now being serious... NO UNIFIED CACHE.

The dream is dead.

Makes things more interesting because the CPU is already performing great.

 

[LiquidRex]

From my understanding the FPU was completely omitted from the PS1 processor and Geometry Transformation Engine was added to do the necessary calculations.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Rough outline.

It kind of looks like an RDNA2 GPU. But then again RDNA1 looks pretty similar.

 

[kyliethicc]

Rough outline.

so where's the portion dedicated to I/O? right side?

 

[martino]

remove cpu. do a 180 and big brother is nearly a twin

 

[Xyphie]

so where's the portion dedicated to I/O? right side?

Right side is everything else. So video decoder/encoder, USB/PCIe controllers, Display outputs etc.

 

[kyliethicc]

Right side is everything else. So video decoder/encoder, USB/PCIe controllers, Display outputs etc.

But the PS5 has a dedicated I/O unit. Do you think its in that same area?

 

[Xyphie]

All of that falls under the Misc region on the right side of the chip.

 

[ethomaz]

Nice shots.
He needs to photoshop it to highlight the units.

 

[ethomaz]

But the PS5 has a dedicated I/O unit. Do you think its in that same area?

There is a big right part of silicon not related to GPU or CPU.

If you want to compare with Series X APU that lacks that right part (that would be at bottom on Series X).

Or even Series S.

PS5 APU unknown right part is almost of the size of the Zen 2 CPU.... probably there is cache there too... Sony seems to have used a lot of silicon for that.

 

[kyliethicc]

remove cpu. do a 180 and big brother is nearly a twin

What AMD GPU is this?

 

[martino]

What AMD GPU is this?

rdna 40cu.
another shot

they kept a lot from it (in term of die disposition)

 

[kyliethicc]

rdna 40cu.
another shot

they kept a lot from it (in term of die disposition)

It'll be interesting to compare the PS5 die to the 5700XT RDNA 40 CU die and to the upcoming 6700XT RDNA2 40 CU die.

 

[ethomaz]

rdna 40cu.
another shot

they kept a lot from it (in term of die disposition)

Same for RDNA2.

 

[martino]

Same for RDNA2.

cache and rop are more like rdna to me
we'll see what oher see.

 

[TheRedRiders]

 

[Hashi]

Come to papa.

 

[ethomaz]

Rough outline.

remove cpu. do a 180 and big brother is nearly a twin

That left side in pink is really big compared with others AMD APU or/and Series APUs.
It is almost the size of the Zen 2 CPU.

 

[ethomaz]

cache and rop are more like rdna to me
we'll see what oher see.

You are talking about disposition.
Look at Series S APU die.

 

[M1chl]

Hmm I hope for a better pics, because this way I see fuck all honestly....

Also I know we get it, but it would be nice to get XSX die shot, just to confirm that it looks like that, as in Hotchips...

Also when we got the XSS APU? Must have missed that

 

[ethomaz]

Hmm I hope for a better pics, because this way I see fuck all honestly....

Also I know we get it, but it would be nice to get XSX die shot, just to confirm that it looks like that, as in Hotchips...

Also when we got the XSS APU? Must have missed that

From MS Series S reveal presentation?

 

[M1chl]

From MS Series S reveal?

Oh didn't see that, seemed like a pretty ghetto pic honestly...

 

[FranXico]

cache and rop are more like rdna to me
we'll see what oher see.

Biggest difference is Infinity Cache in PC RDNA2, which consoles didn't get. Otherwise, rather similar.

 

[SlimySnake]

Now being serious... NO UNIFIED CACHE.

The dream is dead.

RDNA 1 confirmed. lol

 

[SlimySnake]

Didn't Mark Cerny say you need a minimum of 8tflops to render native 4K, that's 8 tflops in GCN.

thats just for the 1080p 30 fps games on the PS4. you need roughly 4x the power to render 4x more pixels.

in order to run a 1080p 30 fps game like gow at native 4k 60 fps, you will need 8x the power since the pixel budget would be 8x, not 4x.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

On a side note: CNN Arabic made an email interview and used my video.

حفرة "مهيبة" في سلطنة عُمان..داخل أحد أكبر المعالم الجيوليوجية بالعالم

حفرة مهيبة بأبعاد ضخمة، تجذب عدسات المصورين الفوتوغرافيين، تُعرف باسم حفرة إذابة طيق، وهي تعتبر واحد من أكبر المعالم الجيولوجية في العالم، وذلك بحسب موقع "اكتشف عُمان".

arabic.cnn.com

Spoiler: original video

Press CC for English subtitles:

 

[BGs]

Seriously... I think you should play more and worry less.



Girl = RDNA1? 2? Custom GPU? 8TF? UnifiedCache? Etc?

Kevin Butler = Real Gamer.

 

[Garani]

Kevin Butler = Real Gamer.

It was a blast watching those commercials!

 

[skit_data]

Rough outline.