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[Fools idol]

interesting - so I guess this confirms what -AdoredTV was taking about on his Youtube channel.

AMD could be in trouble again. There has been quite the drop in their stock price against the rest of the market recently, perhaps some insiders decided to bail out?

 

[Bizukah]

Honestly I am burnt out from NVIDIA. After the last generation, I geniunely believe it might be time to start looking at AMD cards, which tend to be cheaper and just as powerful.

Even if the 5 series is a "huge performance leap", has the video games themselves even caught up in order to justify these performance boosts? The most popular card on steam is a 1060, and i'm assuming even for games still coming out that card is doing just fine.

Idk, maybe i'm just salty, but seems like there's no point anymore lol

 

[Desprado123]

Wastage of performance. Developers have not even properly taken advantage of PS5 leave along over 100 of TFLOPS of performance.

 

[Raphael]

Isnt that what they always say?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Wastage of performance. Developers have not even properly taken advantage of PS5 leave along over 100 of TFLOPS of performance.

My guess is GPU makers are in for an age of reckoning, and deservedly so.
Killing off their midrange value to upsell top-end cards in a world about to enter a massive recession while the 2nd hand market is still filled with post-mining hardware isn't going to end well for either AMD or Nvidia.

 

[Puscifer]

And the biggest price leap in history! Because the 4090 sold out!

I swear I'm an Nvidia owner but I lucked out being in the middle of a GPU drop at Best Buy on the app at MSRP, buying GPUs at this price point is an absolute joke. What are the people buying a 4090 really getting out of them?

 

[lyan]

Yeah. I’m looking at reviews and it’s pretty good, energy wise.

The older cards higher up were never meant to run 100+frames/s like the newer ones. All this chart does is let people feel better about their new toys while the bills go higher and higher.

 

[LostDonkey]

It all boils down to who has the chippiest chips. Those chips will be chips better than the competitors chips and produce flops aplenty.

Chips and flops FTW

 

[JohnnyFootball]

$2000 5090
$1800 5080 Ti
$1600 5080

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Can't wait for the usual "Nvidia once again are greedy bastards, I hope all these 5090s sit on store shelves and collect dust to send a message, AMD SAVE US!!!"

***24 hours later***

 

[CrustyBritches]

These clickbaiters don’t know shit

 

[Black_Stride]

The older cards higher up were never meant to run 100+frames/s like the newer ones. All this chart does is let people feel better about their new toys while the bills go higher and higher.

You think the 3080, 2080Ti, 1080Ti werent launched with high framerates in mind?

The chart generally resets every generation, but that doesnt detract from the fact perf/watt is always a factor.
This gen is just better than previous gens as it should be.

As games get more advanced these "new cards" wont be max settings HFR cards.
The 3080 launched with an average at 4k nearing 100fps.
1440p144 Hz screens were really on the rise and at that resolution the 3080 does like 150fps average.
Turn down a few settings and you are easily maxing out your panel.

 

[Myths]

People who barely managed to buy and upgrade

 

[Mercador]

Please sign here to complete your mortgage on your brand new 5090 GPU.

 

[lyan]

You think the 3080, 2080Ti, 1080Ti werent launched with high framerates in mind?

The chart generally resets every generation, but that doesnt detract from the fact perf/watt is always a factor.
This gen is just better than previous gens as it should be.

As games get more advanced these "new cards" wont be max settings HFR cards.
The 3080 launched with an average at 4k nearing 100fps.
1440p144 Hz screens were really on the rise and at that resolution the 3080 does like 150fps average.
Turn down a few settings and you are easily maxing out your panel.

Simple fact is as the cards get more and more "efficient" people needed to upgrade their PSU's for higher output and pay more and more for electricity.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

The beast of a 4090 will keep me until then.

 

[Kazekage1981]

maybe it will finally do solid 8K 60fps raster with display port 2.1 uncompressed

yah I know, there is no use for 8k yada yada.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

The 4090 already basically did just that. It's at times 100% or more faster than the 3090. Not even the fully unlocked chip either, the 4090 Ti will do the same thing vs the 3090 Ti. I'm so glad I waited for this card. When I looked at the 3090 benchmarks and saw that it was at worst 70% faster than my 1080 Ti, I said hell no. I didn't wait 4 years for 70%. At least now I'm getting guaranteed 150% or more at all times. Most benchmarks I'm seeing 200-250% faster. And that's before factoring in any of the DLSS or ray tracing stuff.

I say bring it in. I want to see a 5090 that obliterates my 4090. I'll sell that puppy and upgrade so fast if it's a worthwhile upgrade. The shitty 20 and 30 series with their paltry gen over gen gains were worth skipping over. But real performance gains are worth upgrading for. My VR rig can use all the juice you can throw at it. And path tracing and RTX are the future of games and there's no quenching that either.

 

[jigglet]

Performance leap is one thing, value is another (aka how long it remains viable for). The GTX1080 is still the all time champ for that. Obviously we can only make that assessment in hindsight unfortunately.

God I wish I had gotten the 1080 at release, I've never seen a card last that long before.

 

[John Wick]

Will be the biggest jump in price as well!

 

[Nickolaidas]

Those lame jokes fall flat now that the 4090 is known to be extremely power efficient.

What.

 

[Von Hugh]

How many solar panels should I need for it?

Ten during the summer.

A hundred during the winter.

 

[Silver Wattle]

People really need to stop spreading RGT videos, he is completely full of shit, wait for real leaks like angstronomics.

 

[Gp1]

And the 5060 will be a 192bit GPU with worse performance than the 4070ti and "acceptable" price/PSU requirement.

We already saw that in the past

 

[Pharaoh 117]

that happens when competition sucks.

AMD aren't terrible but they basically justified Nvidia's price for the 4000 cards. nothing can touch a 4090 and a 4080 vs the new 7900 XTX is a no brainer. i paid £1,200 for my 4080 and i can get a 7900 XTX for £1,050. rasterisation performance is basically the same but the extra £150 gets me DLSS and better Raytracing. totally worth it.

the prices suck but what can you do? AMD need to do better.

Intel are new to the dedicated GPU market and while their A770 is a great starter they still have a long way to go before they catch up to AMD.

Absolutely. Fuck AMD for their incompetence. I was waiting for this new gen to upgrade my card but when I saw the RT performance I gave up. Ended up buying a used 3060ti because fuck Nvidia and their greediness. Now I'm back to waiting for next gen hoping AMD will finally deliver good RT performance. I have little hope it will be any different for Nvidia unless competitors force their hand. I'm expecting the 5090 to be between 1800-2000 bucks because Nvidia knows they can charge even more for their top card.

 

[TrebleShot]

What a surprise and guess what the 6000 series has EVEN MORE of a LEAP it’s the ONLY card that can run the new Psycho +++++ CP77 mode. Wooooaaaaw

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[Buggy Loop]

Absolutely. Fuck AMD for their incompetence. I was waiting for this new gen to upgrade my card but when I saw the RT performance I gave up. Ended up buying a used 3060ti because fuck Nvidia and their greediness. Now I'm back to waiting for next gen hoping AMD will finally deliver good RT performance. I have little hope it will be any different for Nvidia unless competitors force their hand. I'm expecting the 5090 to be between 1800-2000 bucks because Nvidia knows they can charge even more for their top card.

They are insisting to use their hybrid pipeline with shader/RT/ML, which as per their patent is supposed to save silicon area and lesser complexity, which I mean, even as an engineer, i totally understand the choice, it’s not a bad one, but…

Then why is it trading blows in rasterization? You saved silicon area to have more rasterization motherfuckers! It’s got way more silicon area than a 4080, and here comes Nvidia with 20~25% of its silicon dedicated to RT and ML and they match in rasterization..

AMD fumbling around like fools, they made a case that the 4080 is good value compared to their flagship, it’s fucked up. They have to reevaluate their whole architecture, otherwise Intel might become a threat to them and fast since they actually nailed the RT.

Watch Nvidia nailing MCM on first try

 

[V1LÆM]

Absolutely. Fuck AMD for their incompetence. I was waiting for this new gen to upgrade my card but when I saw the RT performance I gave up. Ended up buying a used 3060ti because fuck Nvidia and their greediness. Now I'm back to waiting for next gen hoping AMD will finally deliver good RT performance. I have little hope it will be any different for Nvidia unless competitors force their hand. I'm expecting the 5090 to be between 1800-2000 bucks because Nvidia knows they can charge even more for their top card.

yup there's nothing to suggest that AMD will match Nvidia's 5000 top line cards. AMD can't get near the 4090 and that's not even the best card Nvidia can make. they are likely putting out a 4090 Ti and i believe that they had a card above that. fact is Nvidia are in a league of their own.

even if AMD do improve raytracing it'll still likely lag behind Nvidia. i don't know what AMD can do to dethrone them but they need to keep trying or Nvidia can basically do what the fuck they want. You think it's bad now then imagine what it'd be like without AMD.

 

[travolta88]

Perhaps they'll beat amd at raytracing or something, whatever they come up with, they're gonna price it as high as they can - and probably a bit more.

 

[64gigabyteram]

I bought a brand new CPU a year ago and it felt outdated within 6 months seeing the new stuff releasing.

they want you to feel that way so you can keep buying into their products.
if you got something and it runs games the way you want it to, you shouldn't buy anything newer regardless of how appealing it looks

 

[64gigabyteram]

yup there's nothing to suggest that AMD will match Nvidia's 5000 top line cards. AMD can't get near the 4090 and that's not even the best card Nvidia can make. they are likely putting out a 4090 Ti and i believe that they had a card above that. fact is Nvidia are in a league of their own.

& that's totally fine. frankly i don't think anybody is asking for AMD to match nvidia, especially considering how heavily valued the company is and how skilled most of Nvidia's engineers are, it's an impossible task. most people just want for them to get to a level of price-performance that warrants their card existing. the 7900 xtx put itself in the same price bracket as nvidia's stuff and thats why its such a disappointment, when people are spending 1000+ on a card they're likely wanting to get the absolute best. minor boons like DLSS and better RT do matter in areas like that.

if the 7900 xtx priced itself at 65% of what it were (and renamed itself to the 7800 xtx) then most of us would be singing a different tune.

 

[Black_Stride]

Simple fact is as the cards get more and more "efficient" people needed to upgrade their PSU's for higher output and pay more and more for electricity.

The same 850W power supply I got in 2011 to power a heavily OC'd GTX570 and 5.0GHz 2500K can still handle an RTX 4080 today.
If I go gen on gen an RTX 4070 x 12500 would barely stress my PSU at all.
So why do we need to keep upgrading our power supplies again?????

And im guessing you dont really understand how PSUs actually work.
The PSU doesnt send power, components draw power.
If the RTX 4080 at whatever resolution uses less power than the RTX 3080 at the same resolutions then the RTX 4080 will cost you less for electricity than the RTX 3080.
You could have a 1200W power supply that only supplies 200Ws to the system, then your electricity cost will be 200Ws worth.

 

[hlm666]

What.

the 4090 uses less power than the 7900xtx when performance is normalised, i.e locking the game at a performance level (here 90fps) the 4090 is more efficient.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Never seen hardware unboxed so down on AMD, damn!

 

[AutumnLeaves]

Am I suppose to be impressed?

 

[adamosmaki]

So its it gonna be again 1% increase in performance for 1% increase in price. That's not evolution that is just stupid

 

[GymWolf]

Am I suppose to be impressed?

 

[TonyK]

RT is shit in consoles now, imagine 2024 Digital Foundry videos comparing multiplatform games with RT mode from PS5/XBSX and PCs with a 5000 series card.

 

[GymWolf]

RT is shit in consoles now, imagine 2024 Digital Foundry videos comparing multiplatform games with RT mode from PS5/XBSX and PCs with a 5000 series card.

Yeah but you could probably buy 5 ps5 pro for the price of a 5090, at least here in europe where we have the euro fucx...i mean tax.

 

[TonyK]

Yeah but you could probably buy 5 ps5 pro for the price of a 5090, at least here in europe where we have the euro fucx...i mean tax.

The GPU prices and the absence of something like a quick resume function in PC (something all three consoles have), it is what prevents me from returning to the PC

 

[GymWolf]

The GPU prices and the absence of something like a quick resume function in PC (something all three consoles have), it is what prevents me from returning to the PC

I play with both, i'm not patient enough to wait years for ps5 ports and i don't have the stomach to play everything on console that only has being more user friendly and cheaper over pc gaming.

i basically play 98% of games on pc.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Whenever I see this greedy cunts face now, I just want to punch it.

 

[Orta]

2024 release? I'd imagine something like a prehistoric 3080ti will still be a more than very capable card then?

 

[Silver Wattle]

2024 release? I'd imagine something like a prehistoric 3080ti will still be a more than very capable card then?

Yes, 3080ti will be decent enough.

 

[GymWolf]

Whenever I see this greedy cunts face now, I just want to punch it.

Why tho? he is basically the korean doctor strange

 

[GHG]

Whenever I see this greedy cunts face now, I just want to punch it.

 

[fermcr]

Meh... every new GPU generation is rumored to offer the biggest performance leap in history.

 

[GymWolf]

Boy i had a friend in another forum that always bought titans or the best nvidia gpu available and i was trolling him for spending 1000+ euros, how the turntables...

 

[Nickolaidas]

And that's why you should always upgrade every three GPU generations ...

So that you can actually SEE this fucking gap.

I intend to go from 2080TI to 5080. That'll be good enough to show me the difference, I think.