kingfey
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You dont need that example. Look at fallout Vegas. That should show you the real face behind bethesda.
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Ori Developer's Culture Reportedly 'Oppressive,' No Longer Working With Xbox (ign)
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why ? They own the IP. They can do whatever they want, hell they can put Rare on it. Moon Studios are clearly not playing ball.
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Ladioss
Member
As long as you are well compensated, sure.
MaxwellParrish
Member
What do you mean? we know from almost 2 years that the next Moon Studio's game is not Microsoft founded, but a multiplataform developed under Private Division. What will follow I suppose it will be largely dependant from the commercial result of this collaboration.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
sony will probably do the same with bloodborne. no point just letting the IPs rot.
Captain Toad
Banned
It wouldn't be Ori. Let their studios make their own games instead of continuing the practice of believing the IP is all that matters and "developers will make whatever we tell them to make".
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Of course they don't *HAVE* to do that, but they can if they choose to. The developer isn't taking the IP with them, and I'm glad because the article makes it seem like the Moon Studio top folks are pretty terrible.
Swift_Star
Banned
Why is all of this ok to you again?
kingfey
Banned
MS would have actually funded their next project, if there wasn't any issue.
But it seems certain issue, made them not fund their next project.
Look at post #93.
SlimeGooGoo
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nush
Member
Moon Studio: "You can't fire me, I quit!".
kingfey
Banned
MS doesnt tolerate insulting their studios. They can spend $100b on your company easily. But the moment you insult them, and bash them, is the end of your rope.
These big corporation dont play around. They got too much ego.
Captain Toad
Banned
Why would Microsoft fire them after Will of the Wisps?
WitchHunter
Banned
So they kickstarted a company with their money, then they found out it was a "mistake", so when the company was full of money thanks to good sales they decided to bail out 
DDDD. Btw the interview with the founders @ TGMN was interesting and they outlined quite the contrary what the article states.
I'd like to know what are these harassments are. Are there interviews with the employees somewhere where they outline these underhanded tactics? Are these overt or covert in nature?
I'm asking because I had my fair share of covert, very unpleasant psyops at bigger companies...
DDDD. Btw the interview with the founders @ TGMN was interesting and they outlined quite the contrary what the article states.I'd like to know what are these harassments are. Are there interviews with the employees somewhere where they outline these underhanded tactics? Are these overt or covert in nature?
I'm asking because I had my fair share of covert, very unpleasant psyops at bigger companies...
When a game is ready they better be ready to publish it. Why even does a publicly traded company fight in the game arena if they need certain games for a certain quarter in order to please their shareholders? Tight deadlines and creativity does not mix well.
Captain Toad
Banned
It'll be the Halo 4 or 5 of Ori.
Craig of War
Banned
Toys for Bob on Ori 3 lets go
Captain Toad
Banned
I'm sure they'll be thrilled to have to be second choice to make a sequel to an indie 2D metroidvania game.
You play that. I'll play the actual next game from the studio.
Craig of War
Banned
Ori is a acclaimed IP that have score over 90 wtf are you talking about like it some junk Indie IP?
hey it better if Toys for Bob work on IP other than Call of Duty
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
I dunno, Nintendo puts up with a certain someone behind Bayonetta from Platinum Games in spite of his Twitter activity...
Give an example.
“Makes it seem”. Are we really going to give game journalists this much trust with the track record they have?
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
I can separate the art from the artist. Blind Forest is a 9.4/10 for me and Will of the Wisps a 9.7/10. Just bloody fantastic games. 
If they made a third one I have no doubt it would go down in history as one of the most amazing gaming trilogies in existence.
If they made a third one I have no doubt it would go down in history as one of the most amazing gaming trilogies in existence.
nush
Member
Not literally fired, but shit-talking them just a few months ago and now this?
Captain Toad
Banned
Ori is great, but only because Moon did a great job. Indie Metroidvanias are a dime a dozen. People will care about the next game from Moon, not a new Ori game from a random studio.
That's why From can make constant spiritual successors. People are wanting the next Dark Souls game. They want the next FROM game.
Captain Toad
Banned
Fanboys take that stuff personally. Companies should only care if they'll continue making them money or not.Not literally fired, but shit-talking them just a few months ago and now this?
Amiga
Member
It's not OK, just real life. these things are inevitable and dwelling on them just creates self-hurdles to personal progress.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Did you miss the part about them being a pain in the ass to work with, while blowing past deadlines and budgets?
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nush
Member
"Should" is your quantifier.
Craig of War
Banned
Fuck it give Ori to the Tunic Dev he is 1 guy but he made a banger game in Tunic give it to him fuck Moon Studio
Self-hating Jew is not an uncommon occurrence. Bobby Fischer for example.One of the founders is an Israeli Jewish person accused of a antisemitic behaviour?
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Ori 3.
Ori is now one of those giant glowing trees in Elden Ring.
Ori is now one of those giant glowing trees in Elden Ring.
MaxwellParrish
Member
Yeah, sorry if I don't find very believeble the accusation that they were bulling their producers...it seems really hard to bully who is responsible for your paycheck
Swift_Star
Banned
So because this happens and it’s real life everyone should accept that, nod their heads and be cool with it? I’m glad people don’t think like you do.
kingfey
Banned
Moon Studios CEO Thomas Mahler explained why he chose not to partner with Xbox Game Studios in his next title (not Ori-related): This was formerly known
Moon Studios CEO Thomas Mahler explained why he chose not to partner with Xbox Game Studios in his next title (not Ori-related): This was formerly known
www.bollyinside.com
“There are a lot of gamers who say we always like Ori, but I hate not being able to play it on the PlayStation. Well, why? It was funded by Microsoft, so they I’m in charge. Thankfully, I got Microsoft to allow me to port Ori to the Nintendo Switch, but it wasn’t free and probably only allowed because the title was small enough to not make a fuss.
The next game has a big vision that Moon will own the platform and IP and allow everyone to play together on all systems. We can guide it in the best direction for as many people as possible to win. Fortunately, you don’t have to tell some of them that you were out of luck … probably because of the fact that “the other parties aren’t playing with you”, “there are no artificial walls or borders.” “. With the vision of “by developing a game, porting it to all platforms, and setting an example for the gaming industry.
He had issues with their lockdown games. He wanted Ori on other platforms, and MS didnt want that option, since they funded the game.
The problem could have been escalated from these issues.
Unknown?
Member
Whaaatttt?! Good guy Microsoft doesn't REALLY want to unite all gamers like they claimed and blocking the game from other platforms??Moon Studios CEO Thomas Mahler explained why he chose not to partner with Xbox Game Studios in his next title (not Ori-related): This was formerly known
Moon Studios CEO Thomas Mahler explained why he chose not to partner with Xbox Game Studios in his next title (not Ori-related): This was formerly known
“There are a lot of gamers who say we always like Ori, but I hate not being able to play it on the PlayStation. Well, why? It was funded by Microsoft, so they I’m in charge. Thankfully, I got Microsoft to allow me to port Ori to the Nintendo Switch, but it wasn’t free and probably only allowed because the title was small enough to not make a fuss.
The next game has a big vision that Moon will own the platform and IP and allow everyone to play together on all systems. We can guide it in the best direction for as many people as possible to win. Fortunately, you don’t have to tell some of them that you were out of luck … probably because of the fact that “the other parties aren’t playing with you”, “there are no artificial walls or borders.” “. With the vision of “by developing a game, porting it to all platforms, and setting an example for the gaming industry.
He had issues with their lockdown games. He wanted Ori on other platforms, and MS didnt want that option, since they funded the game.
The problem could have been escalated from these issues.
Captain Toad
Banned
I just beat Tunic. It's nowhere near as good as Ori. I was pretty disappointed in it, as I was excited.
Regardless, Tunic is just a timed exclusive and it isn't owned by Microsoft.
SlimeGooGoo
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Shits_McGiggles
Member
Funny thing is that Jason Schreier praised Moon Studio and its remote work environment in his second book.
Regardless, I'm skeptical of how "oppressive" the workplace at Moon Studio supposedly is.
Exactly. Steve Jobs for example was notoriously difficult to work for but he get amazing results out of people. And more often than not the people who hated it at the time are thankful someone pushed them in the end. The products speak for themselves.
Captain Toad
Banned
I'll just re-post what I wrote earlier in the OT.
"Just finished it. Biggest disappointment for me in a while. I really expected to like this game, but everything about it was just tedious - frustratingly poor combat and just complete randomness about stumbling on the next place to go.
Having to find all those hero graves at the end when I was ready to be done with the game was the worst - especially since it wasn't even clear that that is what needed to be done to progress the "story".
I clearly got the bad ending, judging by how it ended, and the fact I never opened the mountain door, but I think I'm ready to move on."
All that said, it's not a bad game and has good stuff going for it. But I found the combat too clunky to justify the difficulty, especially when you're just wanting to figure out where you need to go and what you need to do, but are getting constantly harassed by the same enemies all the time.
I definitely prefer Death's Door.
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Craig of War
Banned
Where did i say anything bout MS owning Tunic IP? i say that Ori IP can be put into the hands of other Devs and don't need Moon Studio
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Shmunter
Member
Xbox is going woke with their studios. Namely, no crunch - so it’s unlikely.
Potentially the reason for the Initiative implosion, low productivity and leads that cannot deliver goals because everyone’s on a mental health break. You can’t run projects like this.
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Yup, there are games who have long pre plannings only to go to waste because management changes at the mid point and developers have to rush the fuck out because time is money and they won't get an extension. Crunch will happen in big projects, but becoming a nightmare over out of time changes that makes the whole "new" project entirely done on it is another story.
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tpieman2029
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Mercury steam for Ori 3.
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