You know, that's what I thought the comic was suggesting until I read the bottom line.
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You know, that's what I thought the comic was suggesting until I read the bottom line.
Real talk. Amazing the disparity between sound fiscal and environmental policy and electability...
Like, printed on the ballot?
Invisible_Insane
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I think they mean birth certificates are required in order for candidates to appear on the ballot.
Do these people not have copyeditors?!
That would be hilarious, though.
I got this fantastic mental image of a butterfly ballot that's 12 pages long after you hit the vote for a presidential candidate section (one for each original long form, of course).
Jason's Ultimatum
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I hope it ends tonight. Seriously, this shit is getting annoying. I just can't wait for the carnival of stupid when Romney attacks Obama.
Flying_Phoenix
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I really hate reading about mergers between two big companies. Especially those in the health sector.
Same here. Makes for a much better comic I think.
Same here. Makes for a much better comic I think.
Unbelievable.
Wait, you guys have been telling me more buying power would drive down costs.
/singlepayer
Blergmeister
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Yes, but we are not too pleased with monopolies in general. If there has to be one (healthcare) I'd rather be able to vote out senior management.
Edit: Also, in this case it's pharma trying to make a profit off of people by making a product as expensive as a market supports, where with Government Single Payer it is the insurer (government) trying to procure the most care for a price thus driving down costs.
I suspect you might be being sarcastic, but it's honestly hard to tell. The incentives for large corporations and for governments are a little different.
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US auto sales were very good in March.
Other companies are trickling in.
Nissan March U.S. sales rise by record 12%
Volkswagen has best March sales since 1973
Invisible_Insane
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The bridge whence you came misses you immensely, and you should return to it.
You understand the difference between an insurance plan and a pharmacy chain, right?
Mortrialus
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He's heaped praise on a religious leader who, as part of his religious teachings, preached that if a white person tried to have sex with a black person he'd instantly die.
Do I really need to pull out my copies of Deuteronomy and great book of crazy Catholic dogmas?
Invisible_Insane
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Look at it like the Jerry Wright problem run the other way.
Granted, I think all candidates should be held to greater scrutiny about their choice to adhere to a given religion and what it says about them and their intellect, but the adult thing to do about it is to acknowledge that we are by and large a nation of people who live their lives by the prescriptions of varying fairy tales, and insofar as it's possible, those fairy tales should be ignored.
Mortrialus
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Go for it. I criticize non-Mormon Christians for their religious texts, which are racist, sexist, advocate genocide ect. ect., all the time.
*something something Jeremiah Wright*
I only worry about a candidates dogma when it appears to be exerting oversized influence on their policy directions.
That does not appear to be the case with Romney or Obama. Edit: Rick Santourm on the other hand...
Invisible_Insane
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You're missing the point. All of the candidates are avowed believers. None of them is going to want to have a discussion about whose beliefs are more ridiculous.
I would point to Romney's vow to repeal DADT and his opposition to gay marriage as an example.
Invisible_Insane
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I would point to some glass houses on that latter point. As for DADT, the belief that allowing openly gay members to serve will compromise combat readiness is factually nonsense, but on its face not religious.
Don't take me for an apologist for Romney's bullshit here; I think Mormonism is in many ways a completely risible belief system. I just don't see the point in going after him on it.
are- are you kidding me with this here? we're talking about a corporate monopoly on prescription drugs making it harder for people that need medicine to get it even regardless of cost, and aren't your ilk the ones who claim that the answer to this all is eternal free market competi-
Oh, right, okay. I am going to calm down now.
I'm actually against this merger - and my company works very closely with ESI and Medco.
The Librarian
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"What has changed is the center of the Republican party."
He finally said it. http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/watch-live-obama-speaks-on-paul-ryans-budget
He finally said it. http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/watch-live-obama-speaks-on-paul-ryans-budget
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
And Obama's refusal to push for gay marriage is just cowardice, then.
Wow, this seems awesome.
empty vessel
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And the center of the Democratic party...
This is how the map is likely going to look, with 3 swing states that could go either way.
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=ixa
This is all the map has to look like to win, and those blue states are all pretty much assured states at this point.
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=ixb
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I can't see that big of a win for Obama.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Which states do you see there him not winning there? The only one that's likely going to be 3% or less is going to be FL.
TestOfTide
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Can't it be both?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Viriginia will probably swing back to red. Florida, Iowa, Montana and Colorado are all swing states that you have Obama winning with no questions asked? Most of these have been red 8 out of 10 times. You are automatically assuming these go blue without realizing that many things could change between now and then.
Iowa and Colorado will go Blue, Florida and Montana I can see shifting red
Democrats always overestimate their chances/mandate. Hell, many of them thought after 2008 that Republican majorities were over for good in either house of Congress..
maximum360
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RustyNails
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Lot of chatter on Hillary 2016. If Obama gets his second term, Hillary (if she decides to run) is guaranteed in 2016. I wont be surprised if she runs mostly unopposed too. Now that self-righteous goofballs like Kucinich are off the map, that seems more than likely.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
What about John Edwards...oh yeah...right.
With Hillary being almost 70 in 2016, I can see a lot of other people stepping up and looking a lot "fresher" as the core Dem voters love young, hip, and forward thinking.
My point was that the Mormon church is one of the most socially conservative, and most aggressive in combating the expansion of gay rights (Prop 8, for instance). Romeny's pledge to repeal DADT is consistant with his theology.
I do not fully disagree, though I think there is an element of political strategy at play (which I understand but don't fully endorse). Regardless, my preference is for Obama to fully endorse gay marriage; he's 90% of the way there already.
RustyNails
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She'll have Obama's endorsement
At this point, it's almost like she is the crown-princess. I mean, Prince Charles has been waiting for what, 100 years to become the King of England?
You need to stop viewing Virginia as a southern state. The demographics in VA have greatly shifted over the last few elections.
Same thing with CO now, which has a very high Latino population. CO is fast becoming one of the most progressive states in the country.
I had Montana as red state, unless I clicked it wrong.
Obama will win VA by about 4-6%. Iowa by about 7-9% and CO by 10%+
Gender > Age, the 1st woman President would scream hip over any younger man
And the US is not ready for a Latino President in 2016, probably 2020
Yup, people love to ignore the Latino population increase. We have some counties in Iowa that have grown 130% since the last election. And each one of those is scared to death of the rhetoric coming out of the GOP in regards to immigration.
The party as a whole shit away the advantage George W Bush handed them, and just like with the Black vote they won't get it back because jobs/security > faith in the minds of Latino voters.
Yeah, Iowa has many hispanic communities; they were growing rapidly when I moved from Iowa and that was in 2003. I've heard they've continued to grow though I haven't read the latest numbers.
They could get it back, if they didn't have so many public officials who tow the line spewed by racists and bigots. The democratic party has plenty of nut jobs within their ranks, but you don't see too many officials within it giving them the time of day much less actual encouragement from their party officials. But judging on how the right has been reacting thus far to their primary and the world in general, I don't see anyone standing up to them and saying enough is enough any time soon. I honestly hope I'm wrong, I want worthwhile competitive atmosphere where policy is up for debate not a circus of opportunistic stupidity; I just don't see it happening anytime soon, probably not till we get a legitimate third party or someone in that damn party and its voting block has an epiphany.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I don't think the large mobile populations of Latino populace are in large part voters. If the Dems can keep focusing on voter drives, maybe, but I just don't see the transient population you are talking about going to make sure they are registered in their county, have directions on where their polling booth is, and what reason they have for making the effort. Especially when polls are all in English. I would love to see a percentage participation rate amongst transient latino groups.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Hope there are more people like me: for legalized marijuana, higher taxes across the board, true universal healthcare (not Obamacare), investment in infrastructure, reducing military presence where none is needed, etc.
We do exist, and hopefully once the fires of stupidity have cleansed the Republican party, we will rise again.
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