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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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Thequietone

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I don't even understand how Frozen is turning kids into lesbians.....I'm guessing because the princesses aren't helpless women that need a strong man to save them?
 
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WayneMorse

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Wilsongt said:
Frozen turning children gay, just like video games are turning children into violent criminals, sex on TV is turning children into sexual deviants, and crime on TV is making children want to rob someone.

Swanson: Disney's 'Frozen' Is A Satanic Push To Turn Kids Gay - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/swanson-disneys-frozen-satanic-push-turn-kids-gay#sthash.NMUBgxfu.dpuf



That poor 5-year old. Lets instead indoctrine her to believe in a mythical sky wizard who floods the earth and kills people, that the earth is only 6000 years old, and Jesus was white.

I'm tired of seeing stupid things Republicans say and do. It's becoming boring and predictable. Post stupid shit Dems say and do.
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He's an idiot, you need to just...let it go.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Apparently some gay people have said the film is inspirational or something, with respect to the idea of hiding a secret only to "come out" stronger than ever later. I haven't seen the movie.

You can find nods or inspiration in anything. I can see why gay people like Frozen, but it's worth noting the things they take from the film are exclusive to them. Different groups no doubt do the same; I'd imagine shy little girls also found inspiration in the film.

Another example: X-Men, and the racial and sexual themes some might read into it (hidden powers, being different, discrimination, etc).
 
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speculawyer

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Why would Disney even want to turn kids Lesbian? Disney should want to turn kids into fundamentalists that have more & more babies so they have more customers. These crazy conspiracies lack even the most basic logically consistency.
 
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Gotchaye

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thepotatoman said:
Yes, honestly I really was surprised. No matter what racism is now, I figured everyone was on the exact same page when it came to slavery.
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While (almost) nobody is going to outright defend slavery, there's a lot of disagreement about how much emphasis to place on it (and other national misdeeds). Some conservatives, especially those in the South, feel like the way we teach and talk about American history makes the US out to be a uniquely evil nation, and they're reacting against that. They don't want schools to teach that slavery was a good thing, of course, but they want it pointed out that Africans enslaved each other, that without slavery African-Americans today wouldn't be here, etc. They figure everyone already knows that slavery was bad and so we don't need to go on and on about it quite so much at the cost of ignoring all the admirable things historical Americans were doing. They want to celebrate the good things the Confederacy stood for and are willing to overlook, in some respects, Confederate support for slavery because, so they think, so many of them had better motives and in fact found slavery distasteful (or something like that).

And so they react poorly to talk about slavery. It's beating a dead horse out of a desire to make America look bad.

Edit: It's also a pretty common attitude that we have to (in some ways) pretend that historical injustices didn't happen, or weren't very big deals, because otherwise we might conclude that historical injustices still matter today and are still an important part of explaining why, say, black people tend not to be nearly as well-off as white people. Now, this isn't consciously something like: "we have to trick people so that our taxes don't get raised". This is about "personal responsibility". Promoting a culture of personal responsibility is how you fix poverty, and emphasizing external factors that explain outcomes detracts from that - it makes people feel like victims. Talking about slavery so much is bad for black people because it makes them less likely to work to improve their own lives; instead they're going to feel like they were wronged by society at large and that it's up to society at large to fix things for them. But society can't fix things for them, because that's just not how these things work. When you're talking about slavery, you're not talking about black-on-black crime or rap music, or what-have-you. You're detracting from the valuable lecturing of people like Bill O'Reilly.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Gotchaye said:
While (almost) nobody is going to outright defend slavery, there's a lot of disagreement about how much emphasis to place on it (and other national misdeeds). Some conservatives, especially those in the South, feel like the way we teach and talk about American history makes the US out to be a uniquely evil nation, and they're reacting against that. They don't want schools to teach that slavery was a good thing, of course, but they want it pointed out that Africans enslaved each other, that without slavery African-Americans today wouldn't be here, etc. They figure everyone already knows that slavery was bad and so we don't need to go on and on about it quite so much at the cost of ignoring all the admirable things historical Americans were doing. They want to celebrate the good things the Confederacy stood for and are willing to overlook, in some respects, Confederate support for slavery because, so they think, so many of them had better motives and in fact found slavery distasteful (or something like that).

And so they react poorly to talk about slavery. It's beating a dead horse out of a desire to make America look bad.
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I think it has a lot more to do with the idea that the movie won because it was "the slavery/black movie." Rush Limbaugh explained the mentality after the Oscars when he said it was the "politically correct" choice. In short, blacks can't win anything without it being given to them.

The second factor is the general view on the right that discussing racism is racism. A movie like 12 Years A Slave no doubt fosters racial animosity and discontent among blacks, therefore its success must be motivated by those who want to divide the country (liberals, Obama, Sharpton, etc). Just as any acknowledgement of race issues today is fiercely met with denouncements from the right, many no doubt dislike the film based entirely on its setting.

Whitewashing slavery is more of an American thing than a political thing IMO. Conservative dislike of the film isabout warped views on racism and "the race card."
 
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Oblivion

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PhoenixDark said:
I've never liked this argument, even when I was a hardcore anti-war high schooler visiting antiwar.com and commondreams.org every day. None of us could possibly imagine the sheer magnitude of responsibility or fear that must have hit Bush at that moment. What did you expect him or any person to do in that situation? Jump up and leave? That's not how most people react to crisis; in fact most people sit down and gather their thoughts.

I think Bush was a horrible president but I think nearly every president would have reacted the exact same. At that moment he had to know that he was very likely about to start a military campaign that would lead to a lot of people dying, he didn't know whether more attacks were in progress, he didn't know whether a country had instigated the attack, etc. I can't imagine how fast his mind was racing. And while he ultimately made the wrong decision later (attacking Iraq) I cannot fault him for gathering his strength after hearing of the attack.
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I can cut Dubya some slack for what happened, but I generally only bring that up when conservatives bitch about Obama not reacting quick enough on any bad thing that happened (i.e. Ukraine).

thepotatoman said:
Yes, honestly I really was surprised. No matter what racism is now, I figured everyone was on the exact same page when it came to slavery.
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http://spectator.org/articles/56909/propaganda-not-‘reality-or-‘truth

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/limbaugh-12-years-a-slave-magic-word

Bachshit said:
I just thank God that there’s a billionaire or two on our side. All the billionaires seem to be on the radical left, so I’m glad that we have a couple on ours.
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Wait, what???

So most of the wealthy, and thus most of the so-called "job creators" are on the Democrats' side? I honestly can't tell if Obama's the worst socialist dictator ever, or the best.
 
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Sibylus

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Incognito said:
You just have to laugh at Diane Fienstein moaning, groaning, and complaining about the CIA snooping on Congress. Heavens! Get the smelling salts. The irony is just too rich for me to handle. Hey DiFi, (D-Police State & Unprovoked wars) spare us the feigned outrage when you couldn't give two shits about NSA spying.
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Alternatively, perhaps things are getting so out of hand that even the stooges are being jarred awake.

CIA Search of Congressional Computer Sparks Constitutional Crisis (Dan Froomkin, Intercept)

Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), in a floor speech (transcript; video) that Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) immediately called the most important he had heard in his career, said the CIA had searched through computers belonging to staff members investigating the agency’s role in torturing detainees, and had then leveled false charges against her staff in an attempt to intimidate them.

“I have grave concerns that the CIA’s search may well have violated the separation of powers principle embodied in the United States Constitution, including the speech and debate clause,” she said. “It may have undermined the constitutional framework essential to effective congressional oversight of intelligence activities or any other government function.”

She concluded: “The recent actions that I have just laid out make this a defining moment for the oversight of our intelligence community. How Congress responds and how this is resolved will show whether the Intelligence Committee can be effective in monitoring and investigating our nation’s intelligence activities, or whether our work can be thwarted by those we oversee. I believe it is critical that the committee and the Senate reaffirm our oversight role and our independence under the Constitution of the United States.”
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“Unlike the official response, these Panetta review documents were in agreement with the committee’s findings. That’s what makes them so significant and important to protect,” Feinstein said.

Based on the CIA’s extensive record of removal and destruction of evidence, which Feinstein detailed in her floor speech, committee staff decided “there was a need to preserve and protect” a copy of the review, which meant bringing it back from the CIA-leased offices in Virginia where staff had been forced to conduct their investigation to secure facilities in a Senate office building.
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“Besides the constitutional implications, the CIA search may also have violated the Fourth Amendment, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, as well as Executive Order 12333, which prohibits the CIA from conducting domestic searches or surveillance.”
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“Our staff involved in this matter have the appropriate clearances, handled this sensitive material according to established procedures and practice to protect classified information, and were provided access to the Panetta Review by the CIA itself,” she said.

“As a result, there is no legitimate reason to allege to the Justice Department that Senate staff may have committed a crime. I view the acting counsel general’s referral as a potential effort to intimidate this staff, and I am not taking this lightly.”
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Grats, CIA. You just started a public knife fight with your oversight body because you're too chickenshit to deal with the past in public.
 
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speculawyer

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Oblivion said:
Wait, what???

So most of the wealthy, and thus most of the so-called "job creators" are on the Democrats' side? I honestly can't tell if Obama's the worst socialist dictator ever, or the best.
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It really reveals the complete inconsistency of her view . . . yeah, sure . . . George Soros and Warren Buffet are communists. Makes complete sense. Whatever, Mrs. Bachmann. *rollseyes*
 
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Wilsongt

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Visiting a friend at the hospital and Obama was on TV. He and his nephew started going off and his nephew mentioned "can't even prove he is a citizen".

My brain can't take this.

Choice quote: "i can't believe how ignorant people are when they watxh tv and listen to him." Um...
 
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Trouble

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Wilsongt said:
Visiting a friend at the hospital and Obama was on TV. He and his nephew started going off and his nephew mentioned "can't even prove he is a citizen".

My brain can't take this.

Choice quote: "i can't believe how ignorant people are when they watxh tv and listen to him." Um...
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You know what you have to do...

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WayneMorse

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And that's it, Jolly wins. Considering all of the resources the Dems poured into this race and the weak campaign Jolly ran this is very disappointing.
 
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Chichikov

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Bo said:
Alternatively, perhaps things are getting so out of hand that even the stooges are being jarred awake.

CIA Search of Congressional Computer Sparks Constitutional Crisis (Dan Froomkin, Intercept)

Grats, CIA. You just started a public knife fight with your oversight body because you're too chickenshit to deal with the past in public.
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Indeed.
And generally, I think what's the CIA has done is a much bigger deal than Fienstein's hypocrisy, if this is true, people need to go to jail for a long ass time.
There will be time for that the next time she defend the NSA.

WayneMorse said:
To be honest I don't think even Obama knows the full scope of CIA operations.
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If history is any indication, that is pretty damn likely.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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WayneMorse said:
And that's it, Jolly wins. Considering all of the resources the Dems poured into this race and the weak campaign Jolly ran this is very disappointing.
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Its a slight republican lean, a special election in march and a bad year for dems.

So disappointing might as well just quit.

Edit: Turn out today was 12% in Republicans favor.

Wilsongt said:
It was close, but it's still Florida.
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There are progressive's in florida. Just in the CPC

Corrine Brown
Alan Grayson
Lois Frankel
 
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ivysaur12

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Luke makes a good point at using this as some sort of bellwether for November:

@LukeRussert 11m
Whichever side wins FL-13 should get flagged for meaningless excessive celebration. #Decision2014
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@LukeRussert 1m
. @mypalfish yes, in '09-'10 House #Dems had a streak of 7 special election Ws in a row. How'd those Nov results work out?
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Sibylus

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Chichikov said:
Indeed.
And generally, I think what's the CIA has done is a much bigger deal than Fienstein's hypocrisy, if this is true, people need to go to jail for a long ass time.
There will be time for that the next time she defend the NSA.

If history is any indication, that is pretty damn likely.
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Obama siding with the Senate and clearing them to publish the damned report would be great in addition. Maintaining good relations with the agency is all well and good up until they go nuts and pull a stunt like this.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Aaron Strife said:
Incumbency will be a plus for Jolly, sure. But this is still an Obama district by a point, and Jolly won by a point in a low-turnout special election. There's no reason it shouldn't still be competitive.
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Is there a precedent for it? Voters are hard pressed to change their vote. Money won't role in. I think your optimism is blinding you.

And really AP?
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BREAKING: Republican David Jolly wins Fla. congressional special election in test race over health care.
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WayneMorse said:
Jolly makes the transition from DC hack to Congressman, Ed Gillespie's prospects have improved.
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No.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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WayneMorse said:
I was joking.

I still don't know why Jolly won, it's a district won by Obama and Jolly is very conservative and no way a moderate.
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Because its a conservative district? It went for obama 50-49 but 52-47 in 08. But young by 57-42. Its a special election. Low turn out, lack of desire for change, obamacare rollout failures, increased GOP optimism, etc. Also sink sucks. She had name recognition, that's about it.
 
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shadowsdarknes

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Here's a great article on the recovery.

Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute:

Nowhere Close: The Long March from Here to Full Employment

Economic Policy Institute said:
The official end of the recession was June 2009—and some have recently declared full recovery has been reached in the 54 months since, as 2013 per capita GDP finally exceed its pre-recession levels.

However, for the very large majority of Americans who rely on paid employment for the vast majority of their income, recovery likely still feels very far off. And they’re right—by any reasonable definition the United States is far from having reached a full recovery. That’s because simply clawing back to the per capita income level that prevailed before the start of the Great Recession is far too low a bar to clear to declare mission accomplished on recovery. The reason for this is simple: Joblessness (and the sapping of bargaining power that accompanies its rise even for still-employed workers) rises whenever a gap develops between the economy’s underlying productive potential and aggregate demand for goods and services. The intuition here is simple: A given number of customers’ demands can be satisfied with fewer people as each incumbent worker becomes more productive, and each new potential worker (new graduates, for example) seeking to enter the workforce will only be employed if there is extra consumer demand for what he or she produces. So, demand has to rise in line with the economy’s productive potential in order to keep joblessness from rising.
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Economic Policy Institute said:
Figure 11 shows public spending growth at all levels of government since the recovery began compared with previous postwar recessions. The results are stunning: The current recovery has seen an unprecedented degree of austerity on the spending side since the recovery began. It is true that public spending during the Great Recession rose significantly—driven largely by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and automatic stabilizers. Yet this initial rise (which can be seen in the figure on the lefthand side of the vertical line marking the beginning of the recovery phase) quickly stabilized and then, starting with the 2011 Budget Control Act (which was forced into existence by Republicans in Congress threatening to force a default on U.S. debt by refusing to raise the statutory debt ceiling) federal spending’s growth collapsed.
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There's a ton more to read, too that really emphasizes the necessity for demand to keep up with the growth of production.
 
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Aaron Strife

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APKmetsfan said:
Is there a precedent for it? Voters are hard pressed to change their vote. Money won't role in. I think your optimism is blinding you.
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Plenty of times. Kathy Hochul won NY-26 in 2011 and then she lost it in 2012. Same as Mark Critz. Their districts' makeup didn't change much.

Special elections can produce goofy results, though this one is more or less in line with the district's history - but the same would be true of Sink had won by a point, too.
 
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WayneMorse said:
To be honest I don't think even Obama knows the full scope of CIA operations.
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The CIA has been an independent part of the US government for decades. Independent meaning it runs without regard to or control by democratic institutions within the government. The agency needs to be wiped out and rebuilt from scratch. That's obviously unlikely to happen anytime soon.
 
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Oblivion

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LOL. Check out grandpa McCain's scientific rationale for ignoring PPP's recent poll on him being the least popular senator in the country:

“There is a bogus poll out there,” McCain said on Fox Business’ “Cavuto.” “I can sense the people of my state. When I travel around, which I do constantly, they like me, and I am very grateful.”
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speculawyer

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Konka said:
Sanjay Gupta is really all in on weed.
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Colorado collected $2 Million in taxes in one month.

I think a lot of states are going to look at that and say "Me too!"

Oh, and like with gay marriage, the sky didn't fall, dog & cats are not living together, etc.
 
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Aaron Strife

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PhoenixDark said:
Dems got crushed in FL13. Not a good sign for November.
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It was a point.

A new Bloomberg national poll has Obama's approval breaking even at 48/48. Everything's pointing to a neutral election environment if anything. If OFA turns out the base they could pick up a few House seats.

I hope Jessica Ehrlich runs for FL-13 in the general. She gave Bill Young a decent challenge and she's probably a better candidate than Sink was.
 
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RustyNails

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Just got back from a week's ban.

Gaming side is the devil's playground.
Aaron Strife said:
It was a point.

A new Bloomberg national poll has Obama's approval breaking even at 48/48. Everything's pointing to a neutral election environment if anything. If OFA turns out the base they could pick up a few House seats.

I hope Jessica Ehrlich runs for FL-13 in the general. She gave Bill Young a decent challenge and she's probably a better candidate than Sink was.
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But CNN keeps telling me Obama is stuck at 43% approval.
 
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