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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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Basileus777
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The thread is finally devolving into its true form.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's incredible that a guy as ugly as Ted Cruz might be nominated for president.
Republic of Ezo
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Those numbers aren't correct. The calculator is from 2010 before the fiscal cliff deal. So we already have added in the clinton level rates for individuals $400k+ and families $450k+. Going back to pure Clinton levels would only draw from $250-400k, which, while not insignificant, would be much smaller than what's listed there.
His dad was I think? Never seen him speak on it.
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So, there's a good chance the Democratic and Republican nominee will both be in prison on election day. Awesome.
No rule against that! They just can't vote for themselves.
Presidential pardon
User 463088
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Obama pardons Hillary because, obviously. And, in the ultimate act of irony, he refuses to pardon Cruz because he's unsure of his status as a natural born American.
No. Hillary pardons Hillary.
User 463088
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So, this particular Republican didn't pay for this microphone?
Bam Bam Baklava
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I think the DMR/Selzer numbers coming out in 6 hours are gonna be bad for Clinton, really bad. The way the campaign is acting, you know their internal polling is showing something.
Maybe I'm wrong but it just doesn't feel like it.
Maybe I'm wrong but it just doesn't feel like it.
Your GOP front runner!
FloydtheFathead
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I.. Just..
Words.. What are they really? Adam, somebody help? Can you formulate a thought here because I honestly can't.
And some people actually think Trump cares about them and is going to make their future better. Better polish his boots perfectly or no minimum wage for you!
Man of the people right there...
where did you find this out at?
Elaugaufein
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Is there a reason your healthcare costs are so high for universal?
Pretty much every other developed country has something which is a fraction of that per capita or per % GDP. Your health care costs seem hilarious inflated for some reason.
Pretty much every other developed country has something which is a fraction of that per capita or per % GDP. Your health care costs seem hilarious inflated for some reason.
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It's....it's just what we've come to. Really. That's all we can say. (And ya boy we got a coach!)
I agree, actually. They're not going to be good. I'm not sure they'll be terrible, but I doubt they'll be excellent news for John McCain.
Like Trump would pay us minimum wage.
JesseEwiak
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We're American. We always do things the most expensive bloated way possible.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's been known for a while now. We got GOP numbers at 6am today or yesterday depending on where you live. Now 6am today or tomorrow is Dem numbers.
Man w/ Glasses
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So I'm watching The Daily Show and Trevor Noah is interviewing Rand Paul. Like Larry Wilmore, Noah's grown on me. I don't think either are as good as their predecessors, but they've become enjoyable for the most part over time. Unfortunately, Noah doesn't seem to very knowledgeable about much. At least, that's the impression I got from the interview with Rand. He asks some good questions, but doesn't really follow up with rebuttals. I don't think he knows the actual material well, like Jon Stewart did.
Of course, this is what I saw that was aired on T.V. Maybe the extended interview is better.
I like this.
Of course, this is what I saw that was aired on T.V. Maybe the extended interview is better.
I like this.
I think the Cruz news tonight might've triggered something.
I don't think I ever would've seen the day where Cruz's devotion to the cause was questioned, but now, here we are.
Check out the FreeRepublic reaction thread:
Cruz: 2012 Disclosure Should Have Noted Goldman Sachs Loan
There are still plenty of supporters - a sizeable portion. But people are now comfortable voicing attacks and criticism of him on FreeRepublic. That's jaw-dropping.
I don't think I ever would've seen the day where Cruz's devotion to the cause was questioned, but now, here we are.
Check out the FreeRepublic reaction thread:
Cruz: 2012 Disclosure Should Have Noted Goldman Sachs Loan
There are still plenty of supporters - a sizeable portion. But people are now comfortable voicing attacks and criticism of him on FreeRepublic. That's jaw-dropping.
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I had never seen this clip before. Now I'm more annoyed with Hillary attacking Bernie's single payer system.
Black Mamba
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Trump won't use the Goldman-Sachs stuff until the debate. No reason to give Cruz the benefit of knowing how he will attack or if he will.
"Hey look Ted, I like you, you're a great guy, but you took money from Wall Street. Period. It happened. And your wife worked for them. I don't have to take a loan. I've made enough money to never have to take a loan for a campaign. And if I did take a loan, I wouldn't hide it. And I wouldn't ask Melania to get it for me.'
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"Hey look Ted, I like you, you're a great guy, but you took money from Wall Street. Period. It happened. And your wife worked for them. I don't have to take a loan. I've made enough money to never have to take a loan for a campaign. And if I did take a loan, I wouldn't hide it. And I wouldn't ask Melania to get it for me.'
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Clinton's attacks here are clumsy but she's not attacking single payer. She's attacking Bernie's plan to get rid of what we have now, in favor of universal health care... being administered by individual state governments. And we saw how that worked out in Republican states with Obamacare. So while it's great for states like New Hampshire or California with Democratic governors, states with Republican governors are fucked. She's also pushing him to releasing his plan to pay for the $15 trillion price tag, because he promised his paid leave plan was the only one in which he would raise taxes on the middle class, but with such a high price tag, well...
Listen, Clinton supports single payer, as do many other Democratic legislators, as well as free tuition, but they're not so naive to promise things that can't be accomplished. The 2009/2010 Obamacare shenanigans weren't that long ago. Do you forget? Sanders is appealing to people's emotions but he's just letting them dream. It's naive.
Bam Bam Baklava
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So what are the odds that Democrats (especially Sanders) win if we keep hearing about terrorist attacks somewhere in the world every month leading up to the election? November was Paris, December was San Bernardino, and now January is Jakarta.
And_Gignac
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Thats worrisome, yeah. If ISIS makes a move, even in Europe, people will cry for a hawkish leader. Is it too late to get off of Mr. Sanders wild ride?
Anyway, we will get the Setzer poll in exaclty 5 hours.
Setting up my alarm rn.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I think the real question is who wouldn't be in some way? Women in general, just about any minority group in some way, the poor, LBGT community, and whoever else I'm forgetting.
She definitely seems to be going about telling people his plan has little chance of success (or implementation in red states at all) the wrong way
Maybe a bit less hyperbole would serve her well
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The song I'll be thinking of for the debate tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ1iMQA0egc
Future Trump quote to Cruz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ1iMQA0egc
Future Trump quote to Cruz:
That's good. Fox Business moderators better not get in the way of the smackdowns.
I think so too. But she can't really get much traction until he reveals his full plan and how he'd pay for it. Which he might not even do before Iowa now. lol
Basileus777
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Trump is probably better off using the media to attack Cruz on this like he has with the birther stuff instead of in a debate where Cruz will have a prepared and practiced response to give to it. It's pretty easy to imagine Trump flubbing it with poor timing or delivery and Cruz being able to brush it off.
The problem with trying to prepare for Trump is that he's too quick on his feet and you can never be sure which way the hit is coming from. Plus there's no defense here, Cruz literally broke campaign finance laws by not disclosing the loan and is a straight hypocrite on the issue.
Basileus777
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Well Cruz will lie about it of course. And we have seen how easy it is to lie and get away with it in these debate formats.
Do you really think Trump would let it go that easy? Or anyone else up there for that matter? Cruz is the most hated guy in the party, Rubio especially hates him. You think he won't want to join in on the beat down?
The establishment will want a one-on-one fight with Trump, they need Cruz gone for that to happen.
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