I would posit that it's partially due to a lack of real regional power in the UK (councils being very limited in some ways after all). The Democrat party is able to be moderate enough to win Presidential Elections whilst state Democrats in very liberal states can be more left-wing and govern in a way that satisfies their more liberal supporters. In the UK on the other hand, the fact that local government is kind of ignored a lot of the time means the PLP has to try and balance moderation, which is seen as crucial for General Elections, with enough liberalism to appease its supporters.
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I would posit that it's partially due to a lack of real regional power in the UK (councils being very limited in some ways after all). The Democrat party is able to be moderate enough to win Presidential Elections whilst state Democrats in very liberal states can be more left-wing and govern in a way that satisfies their more liberal supporters. In the UK on the other hand, the fact that local government is kind of ignored a lot of the time means the PLP has to try and balance moderation, which is seen as crucial for General Elections, with enough liberalism to appease its supporters.
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Agreed. Not sure I've seen anyone here criticize Hillary supporters.
That's the way to go.
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I also think it's because the PLP has a lot more control over how the Labour Party works then e.g. Congressional Dems do over how the Democratic Party works. By the end of Blair, the progressive wing of Labour was literally dead. None on the National Executive, none in parliament, none in the devolved Parliaments, not really any in local councils, none in London after Livingstone went; any there was no input from the membership to the top after party conferences got neutered, and the electoral college system was tightly controlled by MPs. Like, the reason Corbyn got elected was because he was the only leftist going because he was around in the 1980s before they shut down all the new leftist entrance into the Labour Party. The Democrats can't do that because they have much less control over the Democratic Party structure. Obama can't stack the DNC with yes-men - heck, he hates DWS and wanted to appoint Rybak, DWS is only there because Clinton insisted upon it as a means of reparation to get her endorsement in '08. Heck, he doesn't even have much influence over the primary process. Sanders running for the Dem nom is like Caroline Lucas running for the Labour Party leadership!
I think those are kind of two sides of the same coin. Local/regional governments and thus lower levels of the party having much more power would involve a situation where the PLP would be much less able to stack the entire hierarchy of the party. Whichever way round you want to look at it, it's basically a development of the not particularly controversial suggestion that the structure of government and the level of voter disconnect are linked.
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LOL
LOLOLOLOL
Cesare Borgia
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Iowa has proven you can call them whatever you want as long as you don't threaten their corporate welfare/subsidies. Still think Cruz will win but his mini implosion is largely due to him flip flopping on the issue.
Oh this is too good :lol
This is a beautiful thing.
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Yes, local government structure definitely has an impact on party structure, although it'd probably be a bit reductionist to boil it down that far. I mean, not many of the Democratic or Republican candidates have backgrounds as state representatives. Clinton's background is "wife of President", Trump's background isn't even political, Cruz was a Senator first (i.e. federal level), Carson's background isn't even political. In 2008, Obama was also straight to federal level (although as a Rep not a Senator). Sanders is a relative rarity in having that time as Mayor of Burlington.
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Trump called Cruz a liar and nasty guy in a new CNN interview today.
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You Done Fucked Up, Son.
Perfection.
scary how much the Planned Parenthood attacks parallel ACORN from the last election cycle....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-atlas/fake-acorn-pimp-pleads-gu_b_591708.html
OMG, this is glorious. Absolutely amazing.
Holy shit, this came out of investigation requested by Abbot? This is too good. I was assuming it was from PP's investigation.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...-jury-indicts-pair-behind-Planned-6782865.php
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...-jury-indicts-pair-behind-Planned-6782865.php
I mean, we agree with each other that having the "Insert quotation here" Donald "Stay and we keep the oil" Trump add-on is great.
Even if it messes with quotes something awful
EDIT: Also, this PP news is great news for America's tiny violin manufacturers.
I threw one together from some leftovers earlier today.
I love TNC as a writer - but I don't think he realizes the irony in his attack on Sanders versus what is starting to appear repeatedly as his own single solution drum beating.
His Black Panther run will be dope, though.
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January 2008 polls in case anyone was interested. I'd say the predictive value of these polls was pretty lame.
Bruh, if you wanted to run you should have run.
Can Biden be VP again? Hillary should call him.
Another day that ends in "y"?
Maybe she should have planned more before giving birth to such ridiculous comments.
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He wanted to, it was just bad timing. He admits regretting the decision.
Monday more than likely. Why? You think it should go up earlier?
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I can't help but think Coates' rise highlights a deficit or dismissal of intellectualism. He's a great writer, even if he sometimes reminds me of the literary version of a James Baldwin cover band, but his reparation work strikes me as not-serious. And he's rarely challenged - and when he is, there doesn't seem to be much interest in a debate being sparked. I found the general gist of his Sanders criticism to be a giant logical fallacy ("if you support radical positions it follows that you must accept y radical position too").
I'm not a Sanders supporter but I don't believe it's accurate to compare him to a traditional "liberal" candidate, or dismiss his views as old "rising tide" views on economics. His adherence to redistribution is a lot more drastic than any modern democrat. And if we compare it to the New Deal we have to acknowledge those policies initially restricted black people from accessing them; surely that's not the case with Sanders' policies.
I know, but still, time to move on.
Just checking. I know you are cooking up something nice.
I just need to figure out how to rip video from all these news websites. I was going to do Game of Thrones (
Trump as Cersei
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Pack it up, Crabz.
Did Trump make the call?
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The PP stuff is pretty glorious. I doubt it stops the inaccuracies from being touted as truth, but it's still good non the less.
Rubioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Damn, was this Nate piece posted?
The Republican Party May Be Failing
What “The Party Decides” could get wrong about Donald Trump and the GOP.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-republican-party-may-be-failing/
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How long before GOP candidates make pardoning these idiots a litus test?
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I hate Santorum more than Cruz, cry some more
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These were done in state court system, I believe, so the President can't do shit in that case.
That said, Abbott could do it.
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