Pretty easy for Hillary to turn this one.
I sailed through 11 hours of Congressional questions, you couldn't handle a 3 hour debate with 14 other people.
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Pretty easy for Hillary to turn this one.
I sailed through 11 hours of Congressional questions, you couldn't handle a 3 hour debate with 14 other people.
Roland_Gunner
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I think this is a very lazy view of Coates writing. If you look at his recent articles, almost none of them bring up reparations as the solution. He's specifically using the concept of reparations in relation to Sanders' repeated argument that liberals should propose radical solutions even if they aren't likely to be passed. In Coates' view these supposedly radical solutions are too class based and did provide specific remedies for the plight of black Americans. Thus, why shouldn't Sanders support reparations? Fixating upon one possible solution overlooks the substance of his argument.
It's not a lazy view. It's literally what he says. "Reparations is the indispensable tool against white supremacy." And then in later articles states that anyone who doesn't support reparations as he defines it is a white supremacist. And in his long article it's not particularly well defined.
shinra-bansho
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Miscellaneous observation from FOX poll.
Clinton's "definitely" decided is slightly firmer, but these can probably still turn. Exit polling of the 2008 caucuses had 20% of caucus goers deciding within the last three days, 11% deciding on the day. (Curious how much the process affects this in terms of peer pressure.)
"Would you say you feel betrayed by politicians from your political party, or not?"
Democrats majority do not by over 2:1. Republicans do by a small majority.
Somewhat reinforcing the idea that the majority of Democrats don't actually dislike their "establishment" in the same way that Republicans are very angry at theirs.
Soestablishment shill and Wall Street puppet President Obama's becoming more prominent and less tacit in his support of Clinton to carry his torch probably isn't worthless.
Clinton's "definitely" decided is slightly firmer, but these can probably still turn. Exit polling of the 2008 caucuses had 20% of caucus goers deciding within the last three days, 11% deciding on the day. (Curious how much the process affects this in terms of peer pressure.)
"Would you say you feel betrayed by politicians from your political party, or not?"
Democrats majority do not by over 2:1. Republicans do by a small majority.
Somewhat reinforcing the idea that the majority of Democrats don't actually dislike their "establishment" in the same way that Republicans are very angry at theirs.
So
Abinash117
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I think some of the younger more vocal supporters are the most likely ones that won't go Hillary, but some will end up voting for her in the end. I think this crowd is the one that typically doesn't vote at all, most likely to be independent, and not invested in politics all that much until very recently. Bernie support does seem mostly white liberal and huge chunk of it is between 18- 25, but it is still partially diverse age wise. I say most or if not all the older supporters will go Hillary and most of the younger ones will too, but a fraction of them will either not vote, vote for someone else, or vote for her in the end.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Come on, you know that "low stamina"="can't satisfy their partner sexually." I don't know if that response will work.
To be fair, most of his recent articles about about Star Wars and Black Panther - which I totally approve of.
Though looking back at his history - you're right, there does seem to be more articles than I thought. I thought most of his articles would automatically get top of the page links - but it looks like there were quite a few that didn't. Hrm.
My bad on that. But going back to the "radical solutions" - I think it's extremely disingenuous for Coates to define "radical solutions" as he sees fit - and believe that "radical" is a binary argument rather than a sliding scale. I mean, Sanders' explanation about it being "divisive" is the actual answer that deals with Coates' argument - but Coates tries to parry it away with saying "socialist is also divisive!" (once again, eschewing all nuance and looking at it binarily). He's willfully ignoring the fact that both radical and divisive are on a spectrum; and his final lines are why he has to ignore them.
Which is the point. He has to ignore the idea that radical and divisive are not binary flags because those facts get in the way of his already identified solution. I mean - I'm a South Asian who thinks Coates' overall plan (though I support HR 40 100%) is short-sighted, selfish, economically destructive to America (which would hurt blacks just as much as everyone else), changes nothing about the laws, policies, and attitudes that pervade this country, and feels like, when the actual data on what the long-term effects of previous reparations of that scale have done is taken into account, a really, really bad idea.
On top of it, the invoking of Lincoln and Grant solidifies his complete cherry picking of history. Lincoln was ready to put slavery INTO the Constitution. Also...where do you put Native Americans on this? Or the Chinese who more or less built the railroad system that allowed the country to expand exponentially?
I guess I'm for white supremacy?
EDIT: Took out some overly harsh criticism.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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My favorite anti-racism plan is massive immigration of people that become naturalized citizens until 50% of the voting population is non-white.
I think this would actually be feasible too because the moneyed interests would go along with it. Paul Ryan would definitely be for it.
I think this would actually be feasible too because the moneyed interests would go along with it. Paul Ryan would definitely be for it.
thezerofire
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that's cool she made it. my dad's a lawyer, has always wanted to be on a jury but the lawyers in the case always dismiss him for it. The "they don't want lawyers" thing is real
Third Strike
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9PM eastern on CNN. Might be streamed on their site, but I'm not entirely sure.
Best anti-racism plan is to just mix all the races together for several generations. Of course, then people will fight over money or looks or something else stupid, but at least it won't be racism. Unfortunately humans crave feeling superior to other humans.
its not really a real debate tho right
Is it an actual debate? What does the town hall format imply?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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How many people have NBA TV?
Black Mamba
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Also the game starts 15 minutes before the "debate" ends, so it's not really conflicting.
But I'll be playing some ball before the game, so I'll take the highlights from the threads.
Dems so lucky the GOP is a trash fire. They've fucked up this whole process, in a real race this could screw them over.
Seriously. They didn't even really get covered in their aftermath.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I'm excited, guys.
Also, why are Wayans and Paul at what looks like a hotel party together?
Also, why are Wayans and Paul at what looks like a hotel party together?
Is that seriously what the events are called?
College kids.
Wait.. so they all phone bank together.. and then they all, umm.., "chill" together after 20 minutes or so?
Let's remember that his dumb tweets have over 20,000 RTs and Hillary has never done anything as bad as Phone Bank and Chill when "NETFLIX & HILL" is RIGHT THERE:
OrangeGrayBlue
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This is a dumb argument all around, but there's a huge difference between Sanders' supporters naming an event "phone bank and chill" and Hillary's more personal attempts at Hellofellowkids.gif
If you think it's just a matter of double standards I'd say you're missing key observations about the respective candidates' personas.
Roland_Gunner
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Certainly Coates is being somewhat reductionistic to make a point, but I don't think that negates the point itself. Reparations are certainly divisive, we can all agree on that, but Sanders is the candidate saying that in other situations its okay to be radical and adopt unpopular positions. As a candidate, its his right to choose to do this on class instead racial grounds. By not granting the same credence to the issues that Coates, and other black people are invested in, he becomes like HRC to them. That directly undercuts the appeal of Sanders campaign to black voters, who everyone agree he needs.
Does Bernie hanging out with Killer Mike get approached in the same way?
It is double standards! I think Sanders fans who find Hillary to be a professional shill who does lame pandering to kids won't be able to admit that this is as dumb and as pandering as anything Hillary has done -- and none of it is even that bad! Yet for some reason, this won't even register because it's cool and Sanders is hip with the kids or something.
It's dumb. It's all dumb. But the way that we confine Hillary to a very small box and basically don't let her move without doubting her motives is one of the strangest phenomena of her candidacies. She really is a human Rorschach test.
ugaboga232
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The difference is a majority of people like Bernie's ideas when polled where as reparations is very low.
Also I would definitely say Hillary tries much harder to pander than Bernie himself, weird phone bank titles or not. I don't really know why she does it either, she isn't a bad candidate and it seems rather forced but it doesn't really change my opinion of her, just give some good laughs. So maybe she should do more.
Oh, I'm sure that more people than just the LGBTs would want in on that action.
I think the process definitely affects it. Especially for the Democrats, anyway, since voting isn't done through secret ballots, and everyone has to be on their candidate's side of the room, so if a certain precinct goes decidedly in favor of one candidate, the other candidate's soft support might peel off more easily in their favor because people don't want to be seen as on the (overwhelmingly) losing side. Not only that, but every side tries hard to convince the soft/undecided caucus goers throughout the process, so that also changes things.
If I had the power, I would pull the plug on humanity.
shinra-bansho
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Unless I have my young people vernacular mixed up, isn't "Netflix and chill" supposed to mean "come over ostensibly to watch Netflix, but really we're just going to have sex?"
A Human Becoming
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Forgot to mention I saw many Jeb! signs on the highway yesterday. Also seen Kasich, Fiorina, Carson and obviously Trump signs. None for the rest in my area. I imagine there's signs everywhere the closer you get to Mass, where more people live.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Watch Chris Christie's campaign end in flames:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSMDgieA3o&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSMDgieA3o&feature=youtu.be
ugaboga232
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Yes, but I think the joke is that calling up random people for the service of Lord Bernie is equivalent to intercourse for the volunteers (im about 90% kidding).
PlayALLtheGames
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Lol, Cuomo
Retromelon
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netflix and hill is when u invite someone over to help wipe servers
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