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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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I believe his point was that the FBI is not capable of bringing an indictment, that would require a States Attorney, because thats how the system works.
Poodlestrike
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If by "centrist" you mean "the average of all my opinions puts me in the middle" then... no, that's still wrong, he's not NEARLY left enough on anything to offset the nationalist fearmongering.
A Human Becoming
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I find it fascinating that except for Polk and Lincoln, many of the considered worst presidents in US History served between 1841-1877.
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thepotatoman
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All of the shame of the extreme racism with none of the glory of building a democratic republic
He wants a 45% tariff on China.
Cesare Borgia
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I took her point moreso to be that perhaps the horrors of Reconstruction and Jim Crow could have been avoided if Lincoln was there to oversee the transition. Personally I thought it was moreso a naive "great man theory" view on a complex issue than a statement on what Lincoln (or Grant) should have done.
Personally I think the south should have been destroyed and occupied until the remnants of the Confederacy were eliminated. In terms of Lincoln...I don't think him being alive would have solved this issue. He'd be faced with tough decisions and may have made the same mistakes as future presidents. And it's likely he would have been attacked for assassinated at another time.
It's not over til it's over. I won't celebrate until he is proclaimed the classiest victory ever. Believe me.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Bwhaha.
Most entertaining political cycle I've seen. (Only 30 though)
But that endorsement, in that state...
Poodlestrike
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That's not left or right, it's just dumb.
We really should transition to a 2 axis system. Left/Right = Liberal/Conservative, Up/Down = Smart/Stupid.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump will be Centrist like Nixon in that he'll be a racist war criminal who doesn't understand economics, but won't veto a lot of stuff the 2019 Dem Congress passes.
Trump will cause a massive depression with his deportation and and trade wars though.
Trump will cause a massive depression with his deportation and and trade wars though.
It's clearly left wing and Bernie wants high tariffs, too.
Hrm; my understanding was that it was considered the harsh terms of the treaty (particularly the reparations and complete de-militarization) that fostered the resentment. I guess I'm more on the Keynes / Peukert / Cartier train of thought about the after effects of Versailles. I thought that a similarly harsh treatment (even if only perceived) of the South post Civil War would have triggered the same long-term resentment and calcification of anger towards the North that happened in Germany post WWI, and the disinterest that the majority of the North showed towards protecting blacks from oppression just ten years later would mirror the Allied powers similar disinterest in Hitler openly re-arming Germany for 4+ years prior to the start of WWII.
Hrm. I need to poke some people and see what they think.
As for more modern subjects - I still think Trump is trolling the election. He says too many things that seem calculated to get him out of actually running.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Cruz is anti-trade too sometimes...
Abinash117
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Isn't that extremely stupid and make nearly everything far more expensive?
How can Trump be an actual centrist with many of his views he already expressed? Is because he has one none crazy idea ? I don't see him "moderating " on anything much, but doubling down and having more crazy ideas. Plus, since he will be the nominee he will have the typical BS Republican policies with a hint of crazy and BS.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What exactly would they do when exports are one sided.
Inflation is my best guess, with decreased unemployment.
A couple of our exports would also be hit. China would probably also give less of a shit towards stopping piracy too.
Basileus777
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Protectionism isn't a clearly left-wing policy. As this very primary shows you get people from both extremes advocating it. And anger at free trade and globalization coming from both sides of the spectrum is nothing new in American politics.
campfireweekend
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Nah, I don't think it's left or right. It is nationalistic though, and not to mention horribly stupid.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Care for a quick list of bullet-points as to why, genuinely curious. I was always told it was bad in College business classes, but I don't recall why. Especially when trade is lopsided.
They're like a bunch of lobsters in a pot. :lol
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oh i'm familiar with that.
But taken to it's logical conclusion, China's comparative advantage is a population willing to work for pennies.
To me, it seems like there should be some level of tariff to offset the true cost. Same with environmental issues.
The US has the leverage in the situation since they have a net positive import ratio. As my previous post mentions, i'm aware this will lead to inflation among other side effects.
I just still don't see why it's an 'incredibly stupid' move.
Donald Trump’s outreach to Christians is bearing fruit, if results of the NBC News/Survey Monkey weekly online tracking poll out Tuesday are any indication.
Among white evangelical Republican voters nationally, Trump earned the support of 37 percent, while Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, whose father is a pastor and has played a key role in recruiting faith leaders to support his son, is at 20 percent. In the same survey conducted the previous week, Cruz registered 9 percentage points higher. Below the top two contenders, Ben Carson earned 11 percent among evangelicals, and Marco Rubio took 10 percent.
Not a great poll, still weird though.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-evangelicals-poll-218210#ixzz3yNTznExx
Among white evangelical Republican voters nationally, Trump earned the support of 37 percent, while Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, whose father is a pastor and has played a key role in recruiting faith leaders to support his son, is at 20 percent. In the same survey conducted the previous week, Cruz registered 9 percentage points higher. Below the top two contenders, Ben Carson earned 11 percent among evangelicals, and Marco Rubio took 10 percent.
Not a great poll, still weird though.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-evangelicals-poll-218210#ixzz3yNTznExx
ItWasMeantToBe19
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China has gone from per capita GDP of $300 to $7500 in 40 years and Chinese trade makes U.S prices lower.
Briefly, on CNN Democratic Iowa Town Hall; Bernie killed it, and he made great capital of Cuomo's "push back" and audience questions, plus, LOL at Cuomo's Hillary intro, listing her recent endorsements and referring to "Socialist" Sanders, yeah, not biased at all...
Meanwhile, check out Bernie's latest and excellent Iowa ad, and I reckon Trump's (couldn't find official vid) works just as well for Bernie:
Meanwhile, check out Bernie's latest and excellent Iowa ad, and I reckon Trump's (couldn't find official vid) works just as well for Bernie:
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
True, China has greatly benefited from open trade. It has started to increase wages in China. I'm also aware it will increase prices in the US, and thereby inflation.
I guess it's going to come down to "What degree" would it increase them.
Abinash117
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Which would mean that pretty much everyone would have to pay much more for things. I don't think make everything more expensive is something that people is going to want when there's no clear short or midterm gain.Plus, what is the goal here? Because most likely China would benefit more because they sell products that are mass produced there, and not many places will be able to take up on it either and since China is US biggest trade partner, it will be harder for companies to replace China I would think. What would US gain to have a trade war with China? The biggest thing to do is make trade deals with other countries that is not China to establish American rules. Besides the US has tariffs on few Chinese goods, but you are making them even more expensive plus everything else. But I really don't know much about economics so I could be wrong.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/chn/#Destinations
Poodlestrike
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Protectionism isn't necessarily a left-wing policy, ime.
Not sure if possible, tbf.
ugaboga232
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Donald trump certainly doesn't want to conserve the environment. His real weakness is his strength, his policies are crazy but no one cares. What trump cares about is his money, he sues people who try to show how he isn't worth as much. Hit him on his wealth (don't bring up the corporate bankruptcy thats dumb) and I think he will react poorly.
RastaMentality
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Everyone vote no pls
Trump has a ton of weaknesses, but they are all weaknesses in another time. This Donald Trump in 80s or 90s would not even register in the polls and would flop, horribly.
Its not the greatness of Trump that has led him this far, its the changing times. Its why clutching your pearls and weeping over his latest comments does not work. It would have worked perfectly in practically any other election period.
I get why people dont like him. I would not want to work for him or have him as my boss, or father in law or anything. But if there is one thing everyone should appreciate about him: Is how he has rendered the media, left and right completely useless.
Its not the greatness of Trump that has led him this far, its the changing times. Its why clutching your pearls and weeping over his latest comments does not work. It would have worked perfectly in practically any other election period.
I get why people dont like him. I would not want to work for him or have him as my boss, or father in law or anything. But if there is one thing everyone should appreciate about him: Is how he has rendered the media, left and right completely useless.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Fair enough, thanks for taking the time.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Remember how Dubya made sure everyone demonized media outlets that questioned the Iraq War and they all gave into his narrative and then we ended up killing 500k people?
Trump is just a version of George Wallace that can barely disguise his disgust for working class white people and George Wallace absolutely flew in the 1970s. Racism has always been very popular in the United States and you have an extremely poor grasp of history if you think otherwise...
Joe Shlabotnik
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This. He rendered the Republican party machine useless (or it seems that way so far).
The media was both already useless, and absolutely gorging itself on this shit.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The majority of media people are terrible, but celebrating "Trump has made up hateful lies about Muslims and Mexican Americans and fucking vaccines and climate change and Obama's birth place that the media can't correct effectively because of Trump's demonization of the media!" just seems ridiculous.
Abinash117
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Attacking over his comments is something most of the GOP couldn't because many of their supporters support Trump so it is much harder. Dems can because they are on a different team. The media if anything like Trump because of the ratings he gives them and to me, I don't see media outlets criticizing him much besides the ones you would expect. I think that would change come the general as it is a very different beast the primary; a lot more people will pay attention. I think people are projecting his primary successes on to the overall election and the populace. Most of his support is a subset of the Republican and probably parts of the independent base that is overwhelming white.
I don't have an Instagram account, but goddamn I hope he ditches the debate and then volunteers to do a one v one interview with Kelly.
Considering the ratings viewership of GOP debates, i think Trump is visible to most Americans. Unlike Hillary his numbers have gradually gone up, meaning that more people see him, the more they tend to like him. With Hillary its the opposite.
Dems have tried hard to smear him. And its not sticking at all. And i think they are frustrated, because they are yelling racist and sexist as loud as possible and nobody is paying attention. In fact they have yelled this for so long that come GE it will be a tired attack nobody except hardcore leftists will care about.
Similarly to how right wingers will yell about Benghazi and emails in 6 months and most of America will roll their eyes, if they arent already.
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Just to be entirely clear, comparative advantage theory doesn't state everyone will benefit. Rather, it just says that the total income of both countries will be higher, not that the income point of every person in each country will be higher. In fact, comparative advantage actively predicts that people who currently specialize in things for which a country has a comparative disadvantage will do worse - that is, labourers in America will have a lower income point, as will capital-owners in China, than they would if there was no trade - but overall this is counterbalanced by the gains to capital-owners in America and labourers in China such that average income in both countries goes up. It's a little more complicated than this because trade also reduces the cost of goods, so some people who lose income still are net beneficiaries, but in general the lowest-skilled American labourers will only lose from unregulated globalization.
This shouldn't be a problem if a country has a strong redistributive system that takes some of the capital-owner gains and gives them to the labourers; or alternatively if a country makes sure it can reskill people who are in comparatively disadvantageous fields and train then to be in better ones. Then everyone can have higher income, because, after all, the total income of both countries is higher so logically there's a possible distribution where each individual has higher income. But that's not what happens in America. It is absolutely completely and totally true to say that the American working class has suffered from the impacts of globalization. It's probably true to say of almost all working classes in developed countries, because the political system of most developed countries has been captured by the capital-owning classes and moneyed interests.
As an ethical principle, I think it is right that states prioritize their least off before their best off. I would be entirely fine with average American income decreasing if the income of the poorest in America went up (at least to a certain point). So, I think there is an entirely viable defence of trade tariffs if a more general system of strong redistribution cannot be achieved.
This shouldn't be a problem if a country has a strong redistributive system that takes some of the capital-owner gains and gives them to the labourers; or alternatively if a country makes sure it can reskill people who are in comparatively disadvantageous fields and train then to be in better ones. Then everyone can have higher income, because, after all, the total income of both countries is higher so logically there's a possible distribution where each individual has higher income. But that's not what happens in America. It is absolutely completely and totally true to say that the American working class has suffered from the impacts of globalization. It's probably true to say of almost all working classes in developed countries, because the political system of most developed countries has been captured by the capital-owning classes and moneyed interests.
As an ethical principle, I think it is right that states prioritize their least off before their best off. I would be entirely fine with average American income decreasing if the income of the poorest in America went up (at least to a certain point). So, I think there is an entirely viable defence of trade tariffs if a more general system of strong redistribution cannot be achieved.
I do think there's legitimately something to the bolded.
Like... THIS DUDE STRAIGHT UP WANTS TO BAN MUSLIMS.
I think everyone was like, yeah that's crazy, but it kinda becomes the norm after a while.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hey, if you think Trump wanting to deport 11 million brown people and ban Jews 3.0 (Muslims) from entering the nation controlled by Jews 2.0 (Christians) is because of not-racism, then I think that's just because you are tremendously racist.
Know who thinks Trump is a racist? Non-white people:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nd-latinos-in-how-they-perceive-donald-trump/
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