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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops

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NYCmetsfan

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Las7 said:
Yep things that the large majority of Americans support is the same as the Tea Party wanting to shut down the government. Thank you for the invaluable input, it appears some democrats go down the same path of fear mongering as the Republicans usually employee.
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Way to completely confirm what I stated in my post.
 
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Black Mamba said:
Well, I'm assuming against Trump. More an anti-Trump thing than anything else (bernie would benefit here too, fwiw).
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Yeah, sure, I'm just saying that I don't think Clinton would do better with Latino voters against Trump than Sanders. The group I think she'd benefit from most is obviously women, although I think more from enthusiasm than conversion.
 
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A Human Becoming

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NYCmetsfan said:
I'm sorry. But this whole Bernie thing is showing despite how much fun we had attacking the tea party for their stupidity and out of touchness with the nation the left is vulnerable to the same shit.

I don't see much difference between Sanders demand for single payer and free college and the tea party thinking they were going to win the shutdown and force Democrats to vote for obamacare to be repealed.

That and the common belief that the majority of Americans believe in the same things they do. Never mind the unyielding apocalypticism.

I agree Bernie is more right than the tea party. But polically I don't see much difference.
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Except Bernie says he can't do it alone and needs people to vote in those who do. He also never talks about shutting down the government to do it. There's only light similarities.
 
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A Human Becoming said:
Except Bernie says he can't do it alone and needs people to vote in those who do. He also never talks about shutting down the government to do it. There's only light similarities.
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I dont understand this strategy. No one runs on "we must win both the legislature and executive in order to pass my agenda!". Its a total amateur gambit. What happens if he fails to get the House? Do you think Bernie is a mistake if he couldn't get majorities in the congress?
 
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NeoXChaos

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The revolution will have failed if he does not get the House and Senate.

"But he'll threaten the Republicans with his army of youngsters to throw them out in 2018"- lol give me a break. Not happening.
 
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BrokenIcarus

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NYCmetsfan said:
I'm sorry. But this whole Bernie thing is showing despite how much fun we had attacking the tea party for their stupidity and out of touchness with the nation the left is vulnerable to the same shit.

I don't see much difference between Sanders demand for single payer and free college and the tea party thinking they were going to win the shutdown and force Democrats to vote for obamacare to be repealed.

That and the common belief that the majority of Americans believe in the same things they do. Never mind the unyielding apocalypticism.

I agree Bernie is more right than the tea party. But polically I don't see much difference.
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Really? Free college and health care is a standard in most of the developed world.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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NYCmetsfan said:
I'm sorry. But this whole Bernie thing is showing despite how much fun we had attacking the tea party for their stupidity and out of touchness with the nation the left is vulnerable to the same shit.

I don't see much difference between Sanders demand for single payer and free college and the tea party thinking they were going to win the shutdown and force Democrats to vote for obamacare to be repealed.

That and the common belief that the majority of Americans believe in the same things they do. Never mind the unyielding apocalypticism.

I agree Bernie is more right than the tea party. But polically I don't see much difference.
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Idunno, my main concern with backing Hillary as the safe choice is that we're seriously underestimating how much this election is about reducing corporate influence, getting money out of politics and disrupting "politics as usual." I think there's genuine reason to be concerned about the fact that Hillary has very little appeal on any of those issues. While conventional wisdom tells us she's a safe bet, conventional wisdom also told us that Trump was a joke candidate. Now, seven months later, I think it's crystallizing that the main thrust of Trump's support isn't his racism, but the fact that he's a self-funded non-politician who is (in theory) beholden to no one. If we fail to recognize what this election is about, we risk the presidency and supreme court for a long time. This election isn't about the same things that got Obama elected. It's about reclaiming a democracy that people feel has been failing to represent their interests. Hillary will be swimming upstream over her ties to wall street and being a "professional politician" from now until election day. I'll support the democratic ticket regardless, but saying Hillary is the safe choice seems like we're trying to apply '08/'12 logic to 2016, which has shown to be markedly different.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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adam387 said:
Under the bus CNN and random dude who asked a question

We've reached this point? Really?

It was a stupid throw away question, just like Bernie's athletic one. Come on. Why are we doing this stuff?
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Nothing screams "I have no idea how the world works" like someone thinking a town hall event is some elaborate, scripted stage performance. Same goes for people who think rappers become successful by joining the Illuminati or that school shootings like Newtown didn't actually happen. Like... how do these people function day to day?
 
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Black Mamba

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Literally tanked the moment he picked a fight with Trump. lmao.


Also, I think Obama would be great on the SCOTUS but only 1 pres has ever done that, right?
 
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ugaboga232

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I guess its a sad reflection of America that universal healthcare and other Clinton/Sanders ideas are too radical. Too bad I can't move to canada for another 8 years.
only 85% kidding

But I do agree that its the sad reality. I think its a bit of a catch 22 (kinda sorta) that a huge increase in youth turnout (probably not happening but crazier things have happened) would help bernie get the nominee/presidency/ and the congress he needs and make him viable, but he won't be viable unless he can get the turnout.

petition to transplant bernie's head with obama's charisma and hilary's experience into martin o'malley's body?
 
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OrangeGrayBlue said:
Nothing screams "I have no idea how the world works" like someone thinking a town hall event is some elaborate, scripted stage performance. Same goes for people who think rappers become successful by joining the Illuminati or that school shootings like Newtown didn't actually happen. Like... how do these people function day to day?
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Exactly. This is the type of stuff that drives me absolutely insane. It's just absolutely ridiculous. When you're constantly arguing that every single thing is actively working against your candidate because everyone else isn't as enthralled as you are....maybe the problem isn't everyone else, you know?

And I know that these people are a fraction of a fraction of a percent, but damn if they're not the loudest. These are the people I'm critical of. Not people who are engaged and excited, but people who have gone so far around the bend they're coming back around.
 
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Owzers

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ugaboga232 said:
Trump just said he will probably skip the debate and do something in Iowa to support wounded warriors on the sheriff joe press conference.
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watching that too, i hope he's bluffing because he's not lying that i'm only watching for him. I guess Marco/Cruz going after each other will be OKAY. Going after Megyn Kelly probably isn't a good idea though.
 
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ugaboga232

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sillymonkey321 said:
watching that too, i hope he's bluffing because he's not lying that i'm only watching for him. I guess Marco/Cruz going after each other will be OKAY. Going after Megyn Kelly probably isn't a good idea though.
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Yea it won't be quite as good but I think some underdog infighting with christie, cruz, and rubio would still be good enough to bust the popcorn out.
 
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PBY

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ugaboga232 said:
Yea it won't be quite as good but I think some underdog infighting with christie, cruz, and rubio would still be good enough to bust the popcorn out.
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Sure but I need that casual "fuck off Jeb you low energy loser" as Jeb looks towards the audience and sighs and then gets passed on for the next question.

That shit is life giving.
 
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ugaboga232

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adam387 said:
Popcorn? Shit, I get the hard liquor out for these things.
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I have a weak stomach and some long standing anxiety/depression from alcohol + med school classes do not respect republican debates but you raise a good point. I tend to get some swedish hard cider because nothing tastes better than cold brewed socialism.
 
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rjinaz

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ugaboga232 said:
Trump just said he will probably skip the debate and do something in Iowa to support wounded warriors on the sheriff joe press conference.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I have a hard time believing he bails right before Iowa when he has threatened to bail before and didn't.
 
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ugaboga232

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PBY said:
Sure but I need that casual "fuck off Jeb you low energy loser" as Jeb looks towards the audience and sighs and then gets passed on for the next question.

That shit is life giving.
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I think I'm over that, jeb's vine of him swaying his arms captivated me for hours. He is a broken man and I am in the business of helping broken men.

Ok I still love Trump crapping on a bush but I feel bad about it
 
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BrokenIcarus said:
Really? Free college and health care is a standard in most of the developed world.
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Re: College, I haven't really looked into it. But that would surprise me.

Re: Health care, we have a Medicare system here, but you will still have out of pocket expenses and are encouraged to take out private health insurance through tax incentives.

If anyone has the info I am somewhat curious which countries have entirely free tertiary education and healthcare systems.
 
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ugaboga232

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shinra-bansho said:
Re: College, I haven't really looked into it. But that would surprise me.

Re: Health care, we have a Medicare system here, but you will still have out of pocket expenses and are encouraged to take out private health insurance through tax incentives.

If anyone has the info I am somewhat curious which countries have entirely free tertiary education and healthcare systems.
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Most of europe has both very cheap education and healthcare compared to us, so not technically all of them are single payer and free tertiary education, but they come very close.
 
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shinra-bansho

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Yes, I had a quicklook. Basically continental Europe has very cheap or free tertiary education, which I guess could be considered to comprise most of the developed world. I think I was thinking primarily of the anglosphere and Japan.
 
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ugaboga232

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shinra-bansho said:
Yes, I had a quicklook. Basically continental Europe has very cheap or free tertiary education, which I guess could be considered to comprise most of the developed world. I think I was thinking primarily of the anglosphere and Japan.
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I don't know much about Japan but a big difference is how medical school works in america vs europe which plays into physician salaries.

I do know japan has a big national laboratory doing really cool neuro stuff but thats very tangential.


I have heard Japan has a lot of honor however... (insert FFXIII joke here)
 
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