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[Coriolanus]

What is hilary's healthcare plan though, I think we can all agree we need change (whether incremental or a bigger sandersesque revamp) but I haven't heard her talk about it (i assume she has one).

Here you go

Going forward, Hillary will build on these efforts and fight to ensure that the savings from these reforms benefits families—not just insurance companies, drug companies, and large corporations.

Defend the Affordable Care Act. Hillary will continue to defend the Affordable Care Act (ACA) against Republican efforts to repeal it. She'll build on it to expand affordable coverage, slow the growth of overall health care costs (including prescription drugs), and make it possible for providers to deliver the very best care to patients.

Lower out-of-pocket costs like copays and deductibles. The average deductible for employer-sponsored health plans rose from $1,240 in 2002 to about $2,500 in 2013. American families are being squeezed by rising out-of-pocket health care costs. Hillary believes that workers should share in slower growth of national health care spending through lower costs.

Reduce the cost of prescription drugs. Prescription drug spending accelerated from 2.5 percent in 2013 to 12.6 percent in 2014. It’s no wonder that almost three-quarters of Americans believe prescription drug costs are unreasonable. Hillary believes we need to demand lower drug costs for hardworking families and seniors.

Transform our health care system to reward value and quality. Hillary is committed to building on delivery system reforms in the Affordable Care Act that improve value and quality care for Americans.

Hillary will also work to expand access to rural Americans, who often have difficulty finding quality, affordable health care. She will explore cost-effective ways to broaden the scope of health care providers eligible for telehealth reimbursement under Medicare and other programs, including federally qualified health centers and rural health clinics. She will also call for states to support efforts to streamline licensing for telemedicine and examine ways to expand the types of services that qualify for reimbursement.

step by step stuff. Pretty decent appeal, as far as broad strokes are concerned (no idea if that's the ideal expression)

 

[ugaboga232]

It's basically to build on Obama's plan.

What does that mean, I think hillary is the likeliest to win so I'm genuinely curious about what her plan will mean for me in 8 years when i finally finish my MD. I'd like more people to be covered and I'd like a ton more focus on mental healthcare since it costs 100's of billions of dollars and will create the most disability in high-income countries (more than cancer or heart problems). I think the democratic field is lucky to chose between sanders and clinton (unlike the republican field which seems like choosing between 10 awful people).

 

[QuiteWhittle]

I'm nonplussed at Sanders' response to this so far considering he was the one making the biggest noise for having more debates for months now. Even Hillary is willing to go against the DNC but Sanders now isn't?

It's really starting to make me think the only honest candidate left in this election is Trump.

I still have no idea why people think Trump is honest.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Hmm.



This makes me a bit nervous for Trump!

How so?

 

[B-Dubs]

What does that mean, I think hillary is the likeliest to win so I'm genuinely curious about what her plan will mean for me in 8 years when i finally finish my MD. I'd like more people to be covered and I'd like a ton more focus on mental healthcare since it costs 100's of billions of dollars and will create the most disability in high-income countries (more than cancer or heart problems). I think the democratic field is lucky to chose between sanders and clinton (unlike the republican field which seems like choosing between 10 awful people).

VV

Here you go



step by step stuff. Pretty decent appeal, as far as broad strokes are concerned (no idea if that's the ideal expression)

I just couldn't be bothered to go to her website and find it for you.

 

[ugaboga232]

Here you go



step by step stuff. Pretty decent appeal, as far as broad strokes are concerned (no idea if that's the ideal expression)

Yea but how/what are the specifics? I would love prescription bargaining but that is pretty liberal and hard to pass. Telemedicine seems cool, and the big picture idea is decent (just make things better, no complaints here). Sorry for being lazy, I should probably google this myself because of how much this could affect me.

Sorry for being lazy stayed up almost all night watching dota 2 mars league (goddamn EG toying with my heart).

 

[Gotchaye]

I did not see this dynamic coming, but here it is.

Okay, so Clinton talks about how she wants to have this debate and she convinces Sanders to show up. But when he walks out on stage Clinton's not there. Instead DWS comes out and bans him from all future debates.

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Makai]

Okay, so Clinton talks about how she wants to have this debate and she convinces Sanders to show up. But when he walks out on stage Clinton's not there. Instead DWS comes out and bans him from all future debates.

Or she is there and DNC bans all three. No more debates. Yay!

 

[PBY]

Welp

 

[ugaboga232]

VV



I just couldn't be bothered to go to her website and find it for you.

Hmm, I don't see any discrete policy's which is understandable (bernie doesn't really have much as medicare for all requires changes to medicare anyway) but would have been nice to hear more details. I guess im ok with incremental status quo changes to healthcare but a lot of people aren't as lucky and are suffering.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Even if the political revolution is achieved where we get Dem majorities in congress, people aren't just gonna go up to bat for this.

Maybe you can get people on board once you're in office and have a year or three to sell it. But she knows "we're gonna raise taxes" is instant death in the general, it doesn't matter how you frame it.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

How so?

Not pulling in many new registered voters I think?

 

[RustyNails]

 

[Makai]

O Reilly preview

https://amp.twimg.com/v/6adf94cb-c31b-4c4f-9ff3-0cff310dc50e

 

[PBY]

O Reilly preview

https://amp.twimg.com/v/6adf94cb-c31b-4c4f-9ff3-0cff310dc50e

what is this

 

[tmarg]

Hmm, I don't see any discrete policy's which is understandable (bernie doesn't really have much as medicare for all requires changes to medicare anyway) but would have been nice to hear more details. I guess im ok with incremental status quo changes to healthcare but a lot of people aren't as lucky and are suffering.

Realistically, single payer or at least a public option are going to be required eventually. But it also could never happen in the current political climate, which is why candidates like Bernie are important even if they can't win. It's going to have to enter the public consciousness somehow.

 

[B-Dubs]

Beautiful.

 

[Black Mamba]

He has some good ideas there, but remember that they basically had to be dragged out of him by BLM and such. I still hold that he never expected the field to be this empty or that he would be a competitor and now finds himself in a crazy spot.

It's why I'm, like pigeon, convinced he originally entered to pull the other candidates into talking about income inequality and the problems with the big financial institutions rather than to actually win.

I don't think Bernie ever really thought he'd have to be in the position of truly fleshing out all these things.

 

[PBY]

I hope Trump can actually find a real network to broadcast it

 

[ugaboga232]

Realistically, single payer or at least a public option are going to be required eventually. But it also could never happen in the current political climate, which is why candidates like Bernie are important even if they can't win. It's going to have to enter the public consciousness somehow.

I'd argue the sooner the better because a lot of people will not get adequate preventative treatment or won't take the medicine they need too because of $$$ and so ppl will die and we will spend even more money on healthcare when it could be spent on grants for me

 

[Iolo]

Okay, so Clinton talks about how she wants to have this debate and she convinces Sanders to show up. But when he walks out on stage Clinton's not there. Instead DWS comes out and bans him from all future debates.

I think this was the plot to an episode of Criminal Minds.

 

[B-Dubs]

It's why I'm, like pigeon, convinced he originally entered to pull the other candidates into talking about income inequality and the problems with the big financial institutions rather than to actually win.

I don't think Bernie ever really thought he'd have to be in the position of truly fleshing out all these things.

I think we've had this conversation before and agreed this was likely the case.

 

[ivysaur12]

Here we go:

@SopanDeb
NEW: Lt. Governor of South Carolina, Henry McMaster, endorsing Trump today at SC rally. Highest ranking state official to endorse Trump.

 

[rjinaz]

O Reilly preview

https://amp.twimg.com/v/6adf94cb-c31b-4c4f-9ff3-0cff310dc50e

Lol. Not sure what to think about that. Which comes off worse? I'm going to go with both. Yes both.

 

[Frank the Great]

O Reilly preview

https://amp.twimg.com/v/6adf94cb-c31b-4c4f-9ff3-0cff310dc50e

Lmao.

Nancy Pelosi says no to Sanders' health care proposal.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier.

 

[Four_Chamber]

Sorry but I have a sick obsession with Trump's twitter

Even though I beat him in the first six debates, especially the last one, Ted Cruz wants to debate me again. Can we do it in Canada?

LOL

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

O Reilly preview

https://amp.twimg.com/v/6adf94cb-c31b-4c4f-9ff3-0cff310dc50e

Wonderful. I keep going back and forth on Trump's candidacy, because I acknowledge he is damaging to the country as a whole but cannot help but find myself consistently entertained by almost everything he does when he's not being horrible and stoking atrociousness. Like, it shouldn't be a wash, logically and ethically, but my selfish bread and circus-demanding lizard brain is making a pretty strong case.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Well, at least we have this:

Walker's name is pretty much mud too. Rick Scott has never been very popular.

Hopefully Dems pick up WI, FL and MI next midterm. Kasich is really popular in Ohio though...

 

[ugaboga232]

Watching fox news critique the sanders and clinton tax plans is making me lose IQ.

 

[Holmes]

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier.

I know. Democrats spent pretty much all their political capital and then some to pass Obamacare. They're not going to rip it up and do it again with a different proposal. lol I just hate how whenever people ask how Sanders can even get it done, they just say "the revolution". What does that entail exactly?

 

[RustyNails]

Hmm, I don't see any discrete policy's which is understandable (bernie doesn't really have much as medicare for all requires changes to medicare anyway) but would have been nice to hear more details. I guess im ok with incremental status quo changes to healthcare but a lot of people aren't as lucky and are suffering.

This is the crux of the matter. Every progressive policy in the history of American politics did not happen overnight. Banning slavery, Social security, medicare, medicaid, etc. All took incremental steps to be where they are. Look at the past history and listen to speeches delivered by Obama after passage of Obamacare. A universal healthcare program for the nation has been a pipedream of presidents since...Theodore Roosevelt. No President had the capital or the effort needed to make this a possibility over the last 100 years. Of course Reagan made the word 'Government' scary so the Republicans disowned healthcare reform. Look up Ted Kennedy's attempts and his presidential run. Look at Hillarycare in the 90's. Again, no one was able to pass any sort of healthcare reform until President Obama. Even if his proposals do not go far, they are the step in the right direction.

Hillary knows this full well. She articulates the problem at hand. Problem is, so does Bernie. It's an impossible task. President Obama himself was stabbed in the back by his own democrats (albeit from red state) during the effort (and a certain asshole by the name of Joe Lieberman who is I but caucused with D) Then he got kneecapped by Scott Brown. All for a healthcare plan that was modeled after Romneycare, a Heritage foundation healthcare plan created by old school gypsy moth republicans.

As a first step, it's solid. Hillary has the right ideas. There is already a public option in the house bill that can neatly fit into the ACA program. This is what she means by building on Obama's legacy. She knows how much blood, sweat and tears were shed for this to pass. And Bernie to just come in and say uproot it all and start anew is completely out of touch politics. He should know better as he was part of the committee that wrote the goddamn bill. My point is nothing happens overnight in America. We didnt abolish slavery overnight. Social security wasn't for everyone.

Edit: Ha. Just saw Nancy Pelosi (the og queen) link. Drives home the point I am making even harder. Of course she's probably the establishment henchman or something.

 

[tmarg]

Wonderful. I keep going back and forth on Trump's candidacy, because I acknowledge he is damaging to the country as a whole but cannot help but find myself consistently entertained by almost everything he does when he's not being horrible and stoking atrociousness. Like, it shouldn't be a wash, logically and ethically, but my selfish bread and circus-demanding lizard brain is making a pretty strong case.

I don't actually think he's that damaging. The voter base he's tapped into has been around for a while, flipping over their rock and bringing them into the light is a good thing.

 

[rjinaz]

Watching fox news critique the sanders and clinton tax plans is making me lose IQ.

There was your mistake.

 

[ugaboga232]

This is the crux of the matter. Every progressive policy in the history of American politics did not happen overnight. Banning slavery, Social security, medicare, medicaid, etc. All took incremental steps to be where they are. Look at the past history and listen to speeches delivered by Obama after passage of Obamacare. A universal healthcare program for the nation has been a pipedream of presidents since...Theodore Roosevelt. No President had the capital or the effort needed to make this a possibility over the last 100 years. Of course Reagan made the word 'Government' scary so the Republicans disowned healthcare reform. Look up Ted Kennedy's attempts and his presidential run. Look at Hillarycare in the 90's. Again, no one was able to pass any sort of healthcare reform until President Obama. Even if his proposals do not go far, they are the step in the right direction.

Hillary knows this full well. She articulates the problem at hand. Problem is, so does Bernie. It's an impossible task. President Obama himself was stabbed in the back by his own democrats (albeit from red state) during the effort (and a certain asshole by the name of Joe Lieberman who is I but caucused with D) Then he got kneecapped by Scott Brown. All for a healthcare plan that was modeled after Romneycare, a Heritage foundation healthcare plan created by old school gypsy moth republicans.

As a first step, it's solid. Hillary has the right ideas. There is already a public option in the house bill that can neatly fit into the ACA program. This is what she means by building on Obama's legacy. She knows how much blood, sweat and tears were shed for this to pass. And Bernie to just come in and say uproot it all and start anew is completely out of touch politics. He should know better as he was part of the committee that wrote the goddamn bill. My point is nothing happens overnight in America. We didnt abolish slavery overnight. Social security wasn't for everyone.

Edit: Ha. Just saw Nancy Pelosi (the og queen) link. Drives home the point I am making even harder. Of course she's probably the establishment henchman or something.

The sad part is that doctors were part of the push back for many years (we had a whole lecture on it and even doctors are not immune from the allure of $$$). I guess I was hoping for slightly faster incremental change, but if a public option is something in the works I can get behind that. I do agree that massive instant change probably is both almost impossible and possibly disruptive. I guess we are the lucky ones who can wait, some people really can't and end up jacking up costs by improperly using the ER (not their fault, no one wants to die). I like bernie's optimism and I think the big thing is campaign finance reform regardless of who does it. We are poorly represented at best (though maybe with everyone voting for cruz and trump, perfect representation isn't ideal either).

I guess the saddest thing is pelosi says you cant even campaign on raising taxes which is a bad reflection on the level of discussion in the country.

There was your mistake.

It was very much on purpose, I wanted some cringe laughs (like watching republican debates) but it was a little too much.

 

[adamsappel]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sainato/america-needs-a-first-lad_b_9065150.html

Really, did Berniestans need to go there?

She'll also be asked about honeymooning in Russia and I honestly don't see any answer that can't be turned against them.

Even if the political revolution is achieved where we get Dem majorities in congress, people aren't just gonna go up to bat for this.

It's easy for the self-described socialist to propose this stuff, but asking the junior senator from Montana to sell it to his constituents is folly.

I know you're probably half joking, but nope; I was researching whether FDR had any trouble passing his "radical" (or non-incremental) legislation (he didn't, and had large majorities in both houses of Congress), when I struck gold , as it had been suggested that even if Bernie is winning over the American people, how's he going to convince the "establishment" Senators and Representatives, and, as I said previously, if FDR could do it, I see no reason why Bernie can't also get them to support his agenda.

I don't know why I bother taking you seriously, but are you actually putting Bernie on FDR's level of popularity? FDR won four elections with 60% of the popular vote and 80% of the electoral. Also, Democratic party bosses forced him to dump his ultra-liberal running mate of 1944.

 

[Mimosa97]

Wonderful. I keep going back and forth on Trump's candidacy, because I acknowledge he is damaging to the country as a whole but cannot help but find myself consistently entertained by almost everything he does when he's not being horrible and stoking atrociousness. Like, it shouldn't be a wash, logically and ethically, but my selfish bread and circus-demanding lizard brain is making a pretty strong case.

And there's nothing you can do about it. I'm not even American and I despise Trump but I've never been this entertained by political shenanigans in my life.

You gotta hand it to him, he's a great entertainer.

 

[Bowdz]

Here we go:

Awesome. I heard Gov. Rick Scott on CNN earlier say that he might endorse before the primaries. Imagine if Trump just starts rolling out endorsements over the weekend to build up the inevitability.

 

[rjinaz]

The sad part is that doctors were part of the push back for many years (we had a whole lecture on it and even doctors are not immune from the allure of $$$). I guess I was hoping for slightly faster incremental change, but if a public option is something in the works I can get behind that. I do agree that massive instant change probably is both almost impossible and possibly disruptive. I guess we are the lucky ones who can wait, some people really can't and end up jacking up costs by improperly using the ER (not their fault, no one wants to die). I like bernie's optimism and I think the big thing is campaign finance reform regardless of who does it. We are poorly represented at best (though maybe with everyone voting for cruz and trump, perfect representation isn't ideal either).

I guess the saddest thing is pelosi says you cant even campaign on raising taxes which is a bad reflection on the level of discussion in the country.



It was very much on purpose, I wanted some cringe laughs (like watching republican debates) but it was a little too much.

Watching MSNBC and they pointed out that they have been monitoring all the news channels and that Fox is covering the debate debacle the least. I was going to watch it because I had assumed it would be all they were talking about but nope.

Will still watch O'RLY? though

 

[RustyNails]

The sad part is that doctors were part of the push back for many years (we had a whole lecture on it and even doctors are not immune from the allure of $$$). I guess I was hoping for slightly faster incremental change, but if a public option is something in the works I can get behind that. I do agree that massive instant change probably is both almost impossible and possibly disruptive. I guess we are the lucky ones who can wait, some people really can't and end up jacking up costs by improperly using the ER (not their fault, no one wants to die). I like bernie's optimism and I think the big thing is campaign finance reform regardless of who does it. We are poorly represented at best (though maybe with everyone voting for cruz and trump, perfect representation isn't ideal either).

I guess the saddest thing is pelosi says you cant even campaign on raising taxes which is a bad reflection on the level of discussion in the country.



It was very much on purpose, I wanted some cringe laughs (like watching republican debates) but it was a little too much.

No one campaigns on raising taxes after Walter Mondale. Bernie is a total idiot.

Walter Mondale:"I will raise taxes. So will Ronald Reagan. Only difference is he won't tell you about it."

Loses to Reagan in a 49 state wipeout after those taxes comments dog him throughout the trail.

 

[gutter_trash]

Trump beind defiant against Roger Ailes' GOP Establishment Cable channel has really gotten Fox News in a shaken up like Jebra

No one campaigns on raising taxes after Walter Mondale. Bernie is a total idiot.

Walter Mondale:"I will raise taxes. So will Ronald Reagan. Only difference is he won't tell you about it."

Loses to Reagan in a 49 state wipeout after those taxes comments dog him throughout the trail.

oh it is true, it is damn true.

Justin Trudeau up in Canada promised an income Tax Cut for the Middle Class while raising taxes only on the rich. It sold.

Bernie could have promised a tax cut for those under 200K while raising it for those at the top.

Bernie, not too bright

 

[JesseEwiak]

No one campaigns on raising taxes after Walter Mondale. Bernie is a total idiot.

Walter Mondale:"I will raise taxes. So will Ronald Reagan. Only difference is he won't tell you about it."

Loses to Reagan in a 49 state wipeout after those taxes comments dog him throughout the trail.

That's the crazy part. In the online game I was in where we pretended to be Congresspeople and such, even our IG Democratic Party, largely made up of dorks in high school and college with too much time on their hands knew not to say in our fake campaign speeches that we were going to raise middle class taxes.

 

[ugaboga232]

No one campaigns on raising taxes after Walter Mondale. Bernie is a total idiot.

Walter Mondale:"I will raise taxes. So will Ronald Reagan. Only difference is he won't tell you about it."

Loses to Reagan in a 49 state wipeout after those taxes comments dog him throughout the trail.

I think he knows what he's doing is a horrific strategic move but believes he should be honest. Naive, probably, dumb probably, honest, hopefully?

 

[Mrs. Manky]

I still have no idea why people think Trump is honest.

Because they say to themselves, "Most politicians /agree/ with what Trump says and /want/ to say what Trump says, but political correctness, amirite? They are lying to themselves and the public. Trump straight up says the controversial stuff with no filter and then doubles down on it. Surely this means /he/ is the honest one."

Of course, this honesty ends up being statements of naked bigotry. So, there you go.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I don't actually think he's that damaging. The voter base he's tapped into has been around for a while, flipping over their rock and bringing them into the light is a good thing.

The base has been around, but the danger is that his huge rallies and political legitimization will convince the fringe white supremacists and the like that the "silent majority" really does agree with them, emboldening them to go further, use Trump shit to recruit kids and losers, and slowly expand their base after decades of it shrinking.

Nevertheless, the man's candidacy is an absolute hoot, and totally lampshades establishment politics in a way Stephen Colbert could only dream of, in his prime.

Edit: People believe Trump is honest because he is honest, sometimes, in ways they are not used to politicians being. He is honest about his opinions on minorities, honest about how politicians let themselves be influenced by and indebted to wealthy donors, honest about how he himself has gamed the system to his own benefit. This allows him an immense amount of wiggle room, giving him the freedom to do basically anything he wants because he knows his supporters will bend over backwards to interpret his actions in a consistent light.

 

[Holmes]

Trump beind defiant against Roger Ailes' GOP Establishment Cable channel has really gotten Fox News in a shaken up like Jebra




oh it is true, it is damn true.

Justin Trudeau up in Canada promised an income Tax Cut for the Middle Class while raising taxes only on the rich. It sold.

Bernie could have promised a tax cut for those under 200K while raising it for those at the top.

Bernie, not too bright

You're right. Promising to cut taxes for those making 200k would've been killer. But I think Sanders is just very stubborn, it's very obvious by the way he reacts to when other people challenge him, ask how he'll get stuff done, or bring up the fact that other left-wing people/organizations have endorsed Hillary. Very "us or them" mentality and I do believe he thinks he can win on promising to raise taxes.

 

[Y2Kev]

I want a tax cut. This is why jebra is surging and Bernie sanders is losing among minorities. My taxes are too high.

 

[ugaboga232]

I want a tax cut. This is why jebra is surging and Bernie sanders is losing among minorities. My taxes are too high.

y2kev confirmed martin shkreli. (he modded me on his youtube livestream, I don't know if I should be proud or disappointed in myself)

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You're right. Promising to cut taxes for those making 200k would've been killer. But I think Sanders is just very stubborn, it's very obvious by the way he reacts to when other people challenge him, ask how he'll get stuff done, or bring up the fact that other left-wing people/organizations have endorsed Hillary. Very "us or them" mentality and I do believe he thinks he can win on promising to raise taxes.

Makes you wonder how he could possibly unite this deeply divided nation to do anything.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Makes you wonder how he could possibly unite this deeply divided nation to do anything.

His campaign has gotten to his mind. Weaver and Devine I'm looking at you.