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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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well its a gaming forum first. Plenty of them stay on that side for a reason.
Avon Barksdale
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Elaugaufein
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It's not that hard. They see the political system as completely broken. As such there's absolutely no point in trying to work with in it, with more of the standard political type. So you do something vastly different. Like electing Donald Trump.
The way they see things is that electing a standard political type is 100% not going to achieve anything good, so the n% chance of Trump achieving something good makes it worth ignoring the chance he'll be a complete disaster.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Lots of posters too young for the Bush years now
Nah, nobody here is like 8 years old.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I mean not voting age / politically aware during the bush years.
gutter_trash
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cheering for Trump against the rest of the Republican field does not mean one is a Trump supporter
Trump is sticking it to Fox News; killing the Republican establishment.
in the end
Hillary wins.
Coriolanus
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1.Any dem gets elected.
2.Any dem gets sweet fuckall done since etc
3.???
4.Republican supermajority.
VendettaRed07
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I still feel like, seeing as how a large part of the political revolution is about campaign finance being more important than what a candidate says they believe that increasing turnout won't help as much as it could. I feel like a lot of people are going to vote for independents/libertarians/green partiers because they feel democrats are in the same realm of corruption. He's thrown people who would vote in support of his policies under the bus because of how they raise money and not how they necessarily vote.
The rest of the field isn't promising a political revolution.
VendettaRed07
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Well it makes sense seeing as how now where you get money from is more important than what opinions you have or what policies you believe in. Trump is the only other politician running that doesn't have a super pac. Some have been riled up so much about campaign finance many will switch to Trump for that reason alone.
Coriolanus
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And why would that improve participation in midterms?
Trump just needs to respond with the classic power move: Who dis?
They are starting to come out in droves. It is indeed scary. If Trump wins Iowa I can only imagine they will become more brazen. Should be entertaining anyway.
It's amazing how Trump has lowered political discourse to an elementary school level.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yup.
It's a Fairy-Unicorn Magic Theory of Political Change. If we elect NonStandard Politician, those pesky structural/Constitutional limitations - along with the rather successful opposition party that's been very effective at leveraging those limitations - will maaaaagically dissipate, allowing us to finally Get Shit Done.
RustyNails
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Jeb wants more punishment from Trump. That's the sad way for him to stay afloat after draining $50m down the drain in donor money.
Hillary isn't promising a revolution. She is saying she will continue to use executive orders like Obama and nominate solid liberals to the court. Those are promises she has made and will be able keep. She isn't promising the world.
ugaboga232
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I guess the retort would be, why not bernie then? He will do the same thing and in the lottery winning even that somehow he has a cooperative congress he can pass more stuff.
She isn't promising the world that is a good point. Please be excited?
if you peel those layers back it gets ugly real fast. That is the only thing to get about it.
disastermouse
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i think it's largely because they see Hillary as a sure bet, whereas they think Sanders can be brought down by a Republican. I don't see it though. It's going to be Trump and Trump isn't going to have what it takes.
Coriolanus
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To be fair, i still have a hard time seeing a scenario where Bernie wouldn't take an establishment vp (and a VERY estab vp at that) precisely in order to calm The Average Voter. Is what was done in SA when the left started taking presidencies, anyway. As mentioned before, he should get hills, and, should he pull the miracle needed to defeat her (alternatively, if hills commits so many damn mistakes that hubris does her in again), she might as well accept, given that her presidency ain't ever gonna happen after that.
Has the benefit of also causing Maximum Meltdown on all sides.
#believe
Ignoring that the solid liberals also goes for any dem (and the same can probably be said.of the exec orders, but fuck if that wouldnt be a bad look for Mr Red October), why would that improve turnout during midterms?
Has the benefit of also causing Maximum Meltdown on all sides.
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Ignoring that the solid liberals also goes for any dem (and the same can probably be said.of the exec orders, but fuck if that wouldnt be a bad look for Mr Red October), why would that improve turnout during midterms?
I do think there is a lot of racism and sexism in the "Bernie or Trump only" picks, of course. I mean the blatant racism and sexist comments that are all over the Sanders subreddit along with the endless "if Bernie loses then I am voting Trump" there which is far more significant of a force there than here is hard to ignore.
There is a lot of ugliness in this particular niche of a niche.
Elaugaufein
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I mean its probably better than the alternate for the moment. Which is where dissatisfaction reaches a point that someone does start an actual genuine revolution.
disastermouse
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So...the 'Why Bother: Vote Hillary' campaign is really resonating!
I signed your name on Hilary's birthday card FYI
I also signed "Jebra" so do not worry.
Aaron Strife
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Don't worry guys, if Trump gets elected he won't get anything he wants done.
If Sanders gets elected we will totally wake up to free healthcare though.
Yeah it can swing a lot of ways, so I didn't want to necessarily define it.
I am with you though, I've noticed some glaring trends here on gaf and fark, as well.
RustyNails
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One can easily turn the argument around and point finger at Gitmo.
Elaugaufein
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I have no idea why you'd think Trump won't get anything he wants done if he's elected*. The chances that Trump gets elected without the Republicans getting a super-majority in the house and controlling the Senate is approximately 0. Some of Trump's more appalling ideas are exactly what some Republicans have been dog whistling in elections, if Trump straight up proposes those things they aren't going to back away from supporting them especially since the same kind of electoral realigning would guarantee they'd get primaried if they didn't.
*Beyond wishful thinking.
One could. But I'm talking about this incident specifically. I'm not condoning any other acts done to Iranians. Doesn't excuse what happened here.
ugaboga232
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I think its important to try and understand why people would say Trump or Bernie. Their policies are pretty different unless you try to think Trump is still 2000-era Trump and Bernie has been much (not at all?) much less sexist/racist/bigoted. I think it boils down to anger and frustration. People are frustrated with the system. Perhaps they don't fully understand all the minutiae of the President and Congress but they think "standard" republicans and democrats won't do much. Anger leads to rashness and letting the good ol fashioned tribalism that every human is cursed with to roar out (I think theres some really interesting neuro work on aggression in UCLA/Caltech if anyone's interested). I think its important not to hand wave groups of people as just racists/bigots (which they are but it misses the underlying causes). They are acting bigoted for a reason, and I think its partly that the government doesn't represent them well at all. Now, the anger against Clinton I think is (hopefully) mostly misplaced. A government full of clintons would probably be quite progressive (unless she actually is pure evil 
) and make more people happy. But she's an easy target and there's enough muddiness in the waters that it may not be quite as clear that she has good intentions at heart (plus there were some decidedly not progressive things passed under/with bill clinton's approval that may turn a few heads).
Tl;dr: humanize everyone and try to understand even if they are bigots. There are some people who are bigots because it makes them feel good, and more because they are angry and its easy to give into that urge to fall back on tribal values.
) and make more people happy. But she's an easy target and there's enough muddiness in the waters that it may not be quite as clear that she has good intentions at heart (plus there were some decidedly not progressive things passed under/with bill clinton's approval that may turn a few heads).Tl;dr: humanize everyone and try to understand even if they are bigots. There are some people who are bigots because it makes them feel good, and more because they are angry and its easy to give into that urge to fall back on tribal values.
Aaron Strife
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There's that and there's also something sadly hilarious about people unironically claiming that Trump would be better because he "tells it like it is" and isn't controlled by special interests, yet somehow would be completely crippled in the presidency and unable to enact his agenda.
Better than the people who then say he's just pandering to voters I guess. Because you know, it's different than when Hillary tells people she supports gay marriage now. What a flip-flopping shrew!
ugaboga232
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Serving others/Saving Lives (for a massive paycheck).
What did the iranian's do this time
? Why can't the country of my parent's just stop being so damn stupid and bad.A Human Becoming
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lol the audio was removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uaeGO-WvH0
Hugh Hewitt thinks Joe Scarborough will be Trump's VP. Joe is open to it.
Hugh Hewitt thinks Joe Scarborough will be Trump's VP. Joe is open to it.
I am shocked to discover Rand Paul is an asshole, shocked I tell you!
And_Gignac
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Monmouth:
Clinton 47 (-8)
Sanders 42 (+9)
Malley 6 (who cares)
Bye.
Clinton 47 (-8)
Sanders 42 (+9)
Malley 6 (who cares)
Bye.
Because she is at least being honest and not lying to the base.
When it comes to policy promises it's ironic that the "untrustworthy" Hillary is the one being honest while Bernie is knowingly making promises he knows he cannot keep.
They are unaware of the great history of America electing entertainers into the White House.
Elaugaufein
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That may not be the best counter example. Reagan had huge political impacts that vastly reshaped the face of things. It caused a major shakeup in the Democratic party for one thing I mean if you're goal is to shake things up, then the precedent for electing an entertainer is pretty good.
Fenderputty
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