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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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User 463088
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I wear a ball gag during, so I don't know what you're trying to say here....
Yellowtail
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Bernie's campaign manager is one classy guy.
Bernie's campaign manager is one classy guy.
He even looks angry.
Is Robert Reich even part of Bernie's campaign? That dude supports Bernie, but has never thrown shade at anybody in this cycle. Like, have people like him who aren't carpet bombing the "other" in this state.
Bernie has, oddly enough, sided himself with establishment politics despite calling it horseshit. What a strange affair.
I guess you're stuck by fellating corporate interests, or swimming with snakes.
Bernie's campaign manager is one classy guy.
I'm pretty sure Bernie is W in this analogy.
And I thought I was jaded.
Bernie's campaign manager is one classy guy.
Wow, seriously?
Bernie's campaign manager is one classy guy.
You know all those rumors about Hillary being vengeful and punitive towards people who cross her? I kind of hope they're true.
What an asshole.
PhoenixDark
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"Maybe the back door is the wrong door" - Hillary Clinton
Frank the Great
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Never knew she was a homophobe. Now I'm voting Trump in the general.
Rhomega Beta
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Or maybe she doesn't want anal.
User 463088
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That's what interns are for.
Tarkus
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They fill in where Hillary left off.
PhoenixDark
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Hillary is very wrong on Syria as she was on Libya.
User 463088
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There's a Bill Clinton picture for everything :lol
I don't know who you been talking to, but I ain't no sloppy bottom.
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wut
Clinton's answer makes literally no sense right now.
Clinton's answer makes literally no sense right now.
Tarkus
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He must've not read out discussion on power bottoms recently.
Really? They came across as pretty substantive to me.
User 463088
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I gotta say, Hillary really is doing very well tonight. You cannot touch her on foreign policy. It's not worth the effort. I also was glad to see we dealt with the hacking thing early.
PhoenixDark
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Arming moderates that don't exist. Sigh. And that shit is never challenged.
The Technomancer
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I wasn't hugely enthusiastic for Hillary, but the more I see here the more supportive I get
Hillary has always been sharp, but to me she seems like a stronger debater now than she was in 2008. I think the biggest difference is that she can debate from a position of strength this time around; back then she was trying to catch up by deploying awkward attack lines that would always backfire.
PhoenixDark
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Did Hillary insinuate she wants to force companies to share profits with employees?
I gotta say, Hillary really is doing very well tonight. You cannot touch her on foreign policy. It's not worth the effort. I also was glad to see we dealt with the hacking thing early.
This boy is a bottooooooooooooom
Coriolanus
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Are you surprised that someone that did something as stupid as openly calling Iran an enemy would espouse terrible policy for the middle east? C'mon pd
PhoenixDark
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Glitches? Terrible choice of words when the issue is private insurance which has less to do with Obamacare.
Giant Panda
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I am continuing to read about supposed Bernie fans that say they'd vote for Trump over Clinton in the general election. It really makes me angry reading these people's claims that accelerationism is actually a good idea.
Futility is a great method to demand change. But you don't create futility. You let the lack of reason create it.
We're moving that way no matter who we get and what they do. Why accelerate this race to the bottom when, unless we change our psychological attitudes to the problems we ourselves produce, will happen eventually anyway?
Republic of Ezo
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Hillary crushed that debate. There's my president.
Tarkus
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What's new? He can't explain paying for healthcare at this point, or he doesn't want to because it will scare the shit out of voters.
He actually has proposed it in specifics. It seems at these debates, he just sounds like an activist making the point, as another user said.
Indeed. I donated to her earlier in the week and then again prior to the debate. I've always been excited about her as a candidate, but she's been killing it since the summer to the point where I'm dying to cast my primary vote for her.
That said, kudos to the whole Democratic field for being infinitely better than the GOP shitshow. I'd vote for anyone on the stage tbh.
User 463088
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The funny thing about some Sander's supporters calling for more debates is that, according to every objective measurement we have, he hasn't won a single one of them. Since they've started, his position in the race hasn't improved.
My take on it:
Hillary dominated the foreign policy section. Bernie's inability to understand that we have to go after ISIS and al-Assad was ridiculous. A Presidential candidate pretending that you can focus on one foreign policy issue at a time? Is this real life? Hillary also came off looking way, way better on taxes that Bernie. Going into the General telling people "Yup, we're gonna raise all ya'll bitches taxes" is about as tone deaf as you can possibly be.
Bernie did better when we got to talk about the things he wants to talk about. Hillary more than held her own, and she came off looking incredibly Presidential through each of the exchanges. Bernie got owned on the gun issue (again). He simply does not have a winning argument on this issue because he's outside mainstream Dems on this issue. He did fine on his bread and butter issues, as long as you don't want anything even remotely specific. Hillary's damn smart on hitting him with the fact that his plan is state based. A lot of Red State Dems know how shitty that idea is.
I'm also impressed by her ability to make everything local. She's the only one who really did that on stage. She tied it back to New Hampshire. That was great. Shows she knows how to tailor a message, unlike some other candidates.
My bae went full try hard. I don't know what his endgame is. I have no idea why he's in this race. He's not getting shit from a Clinton administration.
As to the database issue, the soundbite will be Bernie apologizing and admitting someone did something wrong. What people will hear is that something bad happened, and he admitted it. Had he done this 48 hours ago, it would have been over. I'm glad Hillary didn't hit him with it, to be honest. She can stay above it.
Lines of the night would be "Sorry" and "Everyone should love me" from Hillary. Bernie, I didn't feel had a stand out line, because it was all his stump speech again.
I agree that Hillary had a great night, Martin had a good night, and if we pretend the first half never happened, Bernie did okay as well. Dude is not a good debater, though.
Is anyone running a poll like PPP did last time?
My take on it:
Hillary dominated the foreign policy section. Bernie's inability to understand that we have to go after ISIS and al-Assad was ridiculous. A Presidential candidate pretending that you can focus on one foreign policy issue at a time? Is this real life? Hillary also came off looking way, way better on taxes that Bernie. Going into the General telling people "Yup, we're gonna raise all ya'll bitches taxes" is about as tone deaf as you can possibly be.
Bernie did better when we got to talk about the things he wants to talk about. Hillary more than held her own, and she came off looking incredibly Presidential through each of the exchanges. Bernie got owned on the gun issue (again). He simply does not have a winning argument on this issue because he's outside mainstream Dems on this issue. He did fine on his bread and butter issues, as long as you don't want anything even remotely specific. Hillary's damn smart on hitting him with the fact that his plan is state based. A lot of Red State Dems know how shitty that idea is.
I'm also impressed by her ability to make everything local. She's the only one who really did that on stage. She tied it back to New Hampshire. That was great. Shows she knows how to tailor a message, unlike some other candidates.
My bae went full try hard. I don't know what his endgame is. I have no idea why he's in this race. He's not getting shit from a Clinton administration.
As to the database issue, the soundbite will be Bernie apologizing and admitting someone did something wrong. What people will hear is that something bad happened, and he admitted it. Had he done this 48 hours ago, it would have been over. I'm glad Hillary didn't hit him with it, to be honest. She can stay above it.
Lines of the night would be "Sorry" and "Everyone should love me" from Hillary. Bernie, I didn't feel had a stand out line, because it was all his stump speech again.
I agree that Hillary had a great night, Martin had a good night, and if we pretend the first half never happened, Bernie did okay as well. Dude is not a good debater, though.
Is anyone running a poll like PPP did last time?
Officerrob
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A repeat of the other two debates, nothing changes
The problem is that's not how you beat Clinton in a debate. You have to nail her to the wall with the nitty gritty and put her on the defensive. Unfortunately for Sanders that seems to be much harder to do now than it was 8 years ago due to the accumulated experiences she had both as SoS and debating Obama in that Dem primary. It looks a lot like Obama wasn't the only one who came out of that primary stronger than he was going into it.
Coriolanus
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I haven't watched the debate, so if you could be so kind as to explain who is this "we" she mentioned, that'd be lovely.
User 463088
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She didn't specifically use the term "we" that was me. However, she and Bernie both want a coalition of regional players, along with the United States and our allies, to take the lead on this. Neither wants boots on the ground or anything like that.
Hillary's point is that you cannot just focus on ISIS without understanding how the power structure in the entire region is related to it. Bernie argued that we should focus exclusively on ISIS and then, at some point in the future, we could worry about al-Assad. It's like saying I've got a headache, so I'll take some Tylenol right now...but maybe later I'll ask the guy who's hitting me in the head to stop doing it. (And, no, I'm not claiming al-Assad is ISIS).
A President cannot focus on such a narrow aspect of the problem. I guess it's an improvement. A few months ago Bernie wanted only to focus on the millionaires and billionaires. Now, at least, he realizes he has to do something with foreign policy....provided it's just one thing at a time.
I had it on in the background, but my impression was that it was mostly not very interesting. Sanders did a notably terrible job on explaining the benefits of having the government pay for stuff. Clinton fucked up on Obamacare in basically the same way.
If Sanders' position is going to be that maybe taxes will go up but it will be worth it, he's got to be able to make that seem real to people. It's really weird for a candidate who says he's a socialist to not be able to make an argument that sometimes the government delivers goods more efficiently than the private sector. When he has to step away from "raise taxes on the rich to pay for X", he does very poorly.
Clinton seemed way too quick to buy into Obamacare having all sorts of problems. I don't have the numbers handy, but I've got to wonder how quickly premiums were rising before the ACA was passed or how quickly they were projected to grow without it. I know that some plans got more expensive just because they're covering more things, and in general it's harder for insurance companies to take away people's coverage when they get sick now, etc. I don't see that a Democrat gets anywhere conceding up front that the law has been a disaster for middle class people who already had health insurance.
If Sanders' position is going to be that maybe taxes will go up but it will be worth it, he's got to be able to make that seem real to people. It's really weird for a candidate who says he's a socialist to not be able to make an argument that sometimes the government delivers goods more efficiently than the private sector. When he has to step away from "raise taxes on the rich to pay for X", he does very poorly.
Clinton seemed way too quick to buy into Obamacare having all sorts of problems. I don't have the numbers handy, but I've got to wonder how quickly premiums were rising before the ACA was passed or how quickly they were projected to grow without it. I know that some plans got more expensive just because they're covering more things, and in general it's harder for insurance companies to take away people's coverage when they get sick now, etc. I don't see that a Democrat gets anywhere conceding up front that the law has been a disaster for middle class people who already had health insurance.
I think you've got the analogy backwards. Assad is the headache, ISIS is hitting us in the head. Most candidates don't have their priorities straight as Bernie correctly mentioned.
Coriolanus
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So his position was the same as Kerry's?
I just find it baffling that you guys would even entertain these sorts of delusions when you've been in afghanistan for more than a decade with nothing to show for it but a puppet government that is expected to fall apart as soon as you leave.
User 463088
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No one, least of all Hillary, would argue that al-Assad was more of a threat than ISIS. Bernie said that he would focus exclusively on ISIS, and then later we could worry about al-Assad.Not to go all meme on you but whynotboth.gif. A President has to be able to handle multple foreign policy issues at once. You prioritize resources, sure, but you do not completely ignore one problem to focus on another.
User 463088
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I disagree with a lot of the Obama administrations handling of Syria and ISIS. Also, I don't think anyone is calling for US ground forces in the region.
Sorry, I thought I Hit edit.
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