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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops

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Makai

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These are the Democrat debates. Nobody's claimed these and I certainly won't. Kingkitty?

January 17
South Carolina
NBC

February 11
Wisconsin
PBS

March 9
Florida
Univision
 
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NeoXChaos

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Makai said:
These are the Democrat debates. Nobody's claimed these and I certainly won't. Kingkitty?

January 17
South Carolina
NBC

February 11
Wisconsin
PBS

March 9
Florida
Univision
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Lets be honest. Its going to be over after Iowa or New Hampshire if Clinton wins both. Who's going to seriously care about a March debate?
 
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makingmusic476

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elite09 said:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/680789930482778113

Can somebody tell Bernie the difference between a secured and unsecured loan?
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I think the backlash towards this from numerous conservatives and pundits has been pretty silly. A significant chunk of student loans are federal student loans. The interest rates for such loans are controlled by Congress, and changes to these rates are issues that Sanders, et al. have to deal with all the time.

These rates aren't being set by market forces, and Sanders is looking at how we should set them by considering the need for the good (an education) and the ability of those pursuing the good (those without any such education or career) to pay them back. Bringing up collateral shows you're missing the more fundamental argument being made, and it implies that you're assuming that the federal government should be in the business of directly profiting from these loans, when it shouldn't.
 
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SL128

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The Technomancer said:
I like Bernie, but he's wrong. Donald "She talks like a truck driver" Trump is winning supporters on the back of xenophobia and racism. You shouldn't want those voters
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I agree that he shouldn't, but I don't think he wants their votes as much as he wants to reach out to them and make his ideas more mainstream (or maybe divert them from xenophobia).
 
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Tarkus

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HylianTom said:
I don't remember the exact format used previously, but here's something:

"Super Tuesday," March 1, 2016
Minnesota - caucuses - open
North Dakota - caucuses - closed
Oklahoma - primary - closed
Tennessee - primary - open
Texas - primary - open
Vermont - primary - open
Virginia - primary - open
Wyoming - caucuses - closed

Saturday, March 5, 2016
Kansas - caucuses - closed
Kentucky - caucuses - closed
Louisiana - primary - closed
Maine - caucuses - closed

Sunday, March 6, 2016
Puerto Rico - primary - open

Tuesday, March 8, 2016
Hawaii - caucuses - closed
Idaho - primary - closed
Michigan - primary - open
Mississippi - primary - open

Saturday, March 12, 2016
Guam - convention - closed
D.C. - convention - closed

Tuesday, March 15, 2016
Florida - primary - closed
Illinois - primary - open
Missouri - primary - open
North Carolina - primary - mixed system
Northern Mariana Islands - caucuses - closed
Ohio - primary - mixed

Saturday, March 19, 2016
Virgin Islands - caucuses - open

Tuesday, March 22, 2016
American Samoa - convention - open
Arizona - primary - open
Utah - caucuses - closed
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You forgot Georgia on March 1st - "Super Tuesday." Primary - open
 
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Avon Barksdale

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An e-mail PPP got recently.

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NeoXChaos

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Kentucky clearly gets what it deserves.

http://www.state-journal.com/latest...pull-plug-on-kynect-almost-certain-impact-not
Disconnecting kynect

The Office of the Kentucky Health Benefit Exchange (kynect) currently has 34 full-time state employees and no part-time employees.

But the exchange also currently has 642 contractor workers as well.

Xerox operates the call center for kynect with 341 employees, and according to Jill Midkiff of the Cabinet for Health and Family Services (CHFS), the number of workers was ramped up to help with open enrollment, answer question and initiate corrections for insurance tax forms such as 1095 A and B.

The kynector contracts were awarded to Community Action of Kentucky, Kentuckiana Regional Planning and Development Agency (KIPDA) and the Kentucky Primary Care Association — a total of 200 employees for all three agencies.

Deloitte, a financial consulting firm has approximately 50 full-time employees who work for kynect.

The CHFS Office of Administrative and Technology Services has an additional 51 individuals on contract to work on kynect.

Before Bevin dismantles kynect, he has to give the federal government a one-year notice. If he plans to issue that request and dismantle the exchange by the end of 2016, he will have to give notice before Jan. 1, 2016.

When The State Journal asked Jessica Ditto, Bevin’s spokeswoman, if he has given notice to the feds Ditto said, “The administration is taking a deliberate look at the logistics of the transition before any action is taken.”

But Ditto confirmed it would happen and was unclear how it will affect the 37 full-time state employees or more than 600 contract workers.

“Right now it would be premature to speculate what the personnel impact would be given that we have not firmed up the timeline of the transition,” Ditto said.

Deloitte has forecasted the costs for dismantling kynect will be at the very least $23 million of taxpayer money that Bevin would have to take out of the state’s general fund.

If Bevin decides to do that in the next two years, he and his budget director will include that in the budget they propose to the General Assembly in January.

And while kynect pays for itself through a 1 percent surcharge on all policies purchased, once Bevin moves Kentuckians to the federal exchange state residents who purchase plans will have an increased 3.5 percent surcharge.
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User 463088

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NeoXChaos said:
Kentucky clearly gets what it deserves.

http://www.state-journal.com/latest...pull-plug-on-kynect-almost-certain-impact-not
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But then in an amazing (and shocking) logical abortion, those who lose their health care will immediately scream how terrible Obummercare was, how kynect was working JUST FINE until he got his Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Muslin hands on it. But it's all okay, because the government doesn't DARE touch or have anything to do with my Medicare because reasons.

It'd be funny if these weren't real families and real people thrown into economic turmoil over something as relatively trivial as a broken arm, a nasty fall or two courses at my local Chinese buffet.
 
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NeoXChaos

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adam387 said:
But then in an amazing (and shocking) logical abortion, those who lose their health care will immediately scream how terrible Obummercare was, how kynect was working JUST FINE until he got his Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Muslin hands on it. But it's all okay, because the government doesn't DARE touch or have anything to do with my Medicare because reasons.

It'd be funny if these weren't real families and real people thrown into economic turmoil over something as relatively trivial as a broken arm, a nasty fall or two courses at my local Chinese buffet.
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and the total opposite is going to happen in Louisiana. Thx to moderate Republicans picking person over party.
 
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Teggy

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Why does Trump think going after Bill Clinton is a good idea? I didn't realize he was running against Bill Clinton.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Teggy said:
Why does Trump think going after Bill Clinton is a good idea? I didn't realize he was running against Bill Clinton.
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It's not a bad plan, but it doesn't really change things much. I've always found it interesting that so many liberals defend Bill Clinton on his sexual assault problems. Then you have Hillary, who harassed some of the victims as well - or looked the other way.

In short, Hillary playing the sexism card is pretty rich. But will non right-wing voters be moved by the argument? Probably if it was another candidate instead of such a pos bigot/sexist like Trump.
 
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ivysaur12

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Speaking of JBE, this is probably their best shot for 2016:

http://theadvocate.com/news/1432910...y-hopes-to-duplicate-governors-race-in-future

After a big loss in the 2014 Senate race and a big win in the 2015 gubernatorial race, the party finds itself heading back into another race for the U.S. Senate, this time in a presidential election year.

Already, a long list of Republicans are eyeing the job after Vitter announced that he would not seek a third term.

Handwerk said the party’s current inclination is to attempt to mimic the gubernatorial race — to come up with a strong, possibly lesser-known candidate to rally behind early while Republicans battle each other for a spot in the runoff.

He said party leaders are waiting until after the holidays, though.

“After that, I think the team will come together and look at what’s right for the state,” he said.
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benjipwns

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Jack Remington said:
Order should change every four years. Separate states into blocks, rotate blocks through the order.
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The Republicans were designing something like this for their primaries.

The Democrats and state Republicans wouldn't agree to it, making it a non-starter.

Some other proposals that died out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Plan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_Regional_Primary_System

The pitfalls of using state resources to fund and manage your internal decision making process.

NeoXChaos said:
Tom can you give me those dates for all March states starting with Super Tuesday in the format you used earlier? thx
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http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/events.phtml?s=c
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repub...ries,_2016#Schedule_of_primaries_and_caucuses
 
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benjipwns

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/26/its-time-to-rally-around-donald-trump/
Brent Bozell has called on conservatives to rally around Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% for the Republican presidential nomination. Ted Cruz is a good man and a fine candidate — my own second choice — but I believe GOP frontrunner Donald Trump is the candidate for American patriots to rally around.

Bozell states that Cruz is the one candidate who will return the United States to “her Constitutional foundations and Judeo-Christian values,” explaining:
On every issue of crucial importance to conservatives—defunding Planned Parenthood, ending the Obamacare nightmare, reducing the size of government, opposing amnesty—Cruz is not only with conservatives, he’s led the fight for conservatives.
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To be honest, if these were the only issues under discussion in this GOP presidential primary season I would hardly be able to make myself pay attention. It’s not that they are unimportant issues. Personally, I support every one of them. But they are not existential issues. They are not the issues on which the very future of the Republic hangs. They are issues that a responsible Republican House and Senate, if they were loyal to their oath and to their constituents, could today begin to rectify all by themselves.

If they did — or if, say, a President Cruz were to ensure that Planned Parenthood was defunded, Obamacare ended, government trimmed, and amnesty once again staved off for another election cycle — we would all rejoice. However, the Constitution, the Republic, would be no more secure. On the contrary, they would still teeter on the edge of extinction, lost in a demographic, political, and cultural transformation that our fathers, founding and otherwise, would find inconceivable — and particularly if they ever found out that the crisis took hold when We the People lost our nerve even to talk about immigration and Islam.

It is in this danger zone of lost nerve and the vanishing nation-state where the extraordinary presidential candidacy of Donald Trump began. Like the nation-state itself, it started with the concept of a border, when Donald Trump told us he wanted to build a wall. Circa 21st-century-America, that took a lot of nerve.

After all, Americans don’t have walls. We don’t even have a border. We have “border surges,” and “unaccompanied alien minors.” We have “sanctuary cities,” and a continuous government raid on our own pocketbooks to pay for what amounts to our own invasion. That’s not even counting the attendant pathologies, burdens, and immeasurable cultural dislocation that comes about when “no one speaks English anymore.” A wall, the man says?

The enthusiasm real people (as opposed to media and #GOPSmartSet) have shown for Trump and his paradigm-shattering wall is something new and exciting on the political scene. So is the “yuge” sigh of relief. Someone sees the nation bleeding out and wants to stanch the flow. Yes, we can (build a wall). From that day forward, it has been Trump, dominating the GOP primary process and setting all of the potentially restorative points of the agenda, compelling the other candidates to address them, and the MSM, too. Blasting through hard, dense layers of “political correctness” with plain talk that shocks, Trump has set in motion very rusty wheels of reality-based thinking, beginning a long-overdue honest-to-goodness public debate about the future of America — or, better, whether there will be a future for America. That debate starts at the border, too.

A well-defended border is an obvious requisite for any nation-state. It bears noting, however, that before Donald Trump, not one commander in chief, and (aside from former Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-CO), not one figure of national fame and repute I can think of had ever put it to the people of this land that a wall was a way to stop our border crisis: the unceasing flow into the nation of illegal masses of mainly Spanish-speaking aliens, among them terrorists, criminals (yes, including rapists and murderers) and transnational gangs. On the contrary, crime and chaos at the U.S. non-border are what every branch and bureaucracy of our government expect We, the People to accept as normal — and pay for as good citizens.

But good citizens of what — the world?

For many decades, the unspoken answer to this inconceivable question (inconceivable, that is, before Trump) has been yes. “We Are the World” has been the USA’s unofficial anthem, the political muzak of our times that we either hum along to, or accept in teeth-gritted silence for fear of censure (or cancelled party invitations). “Openness,” “multiculturalism,” “globalism” — all have been pounded into us for so long that I think Americans despaired of ever hearing anyone give voice again to a patriotic vision of American interests. Then Trump came along and changed the tune. Americans perked up their ears. Maybe a wall — which is just the beginning of Trump’s detailed immigration policy, which Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80% calls “exactly the plan America needs” — would make America possible again. That would be great, indeed.

Does Trump see it all this way, or is he going on “feel”? I don’t claim to know, although by this time in the political season, I think I am beginning to get a sense of Trump. When it comes to what is important, beginning with immigration, Trump’s instincts are as formidable as his courage. Notwithstanding Cruz and his consistent conservatism (in which Bozell places great stock), immigration wouldn’t even be a campaign issue without Donald Trump. In my opinion, the Trump plan is absoutely essential to any possible return, as Bozell puts it, to America’s constitutional foundations and Judeo-Christian principles. I actually think of it as our last shot.

In the meantime, Trump continues to catapult issues, one after another, into the heart of the multicultural/universalist narrative that long ago marginalized the very idea of American interests. His judiciously sensible, also unprecedented, call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration following the San Bernardino jihad attacks is a perfect example. Citing polling commissioned by the Center for Security Policy that reveals shockingly high support among Muslims in America for 1) violent jihad in America — 25 percent believe it is justified, and 2) sharia law in America — 51 percent believe they should have the choice of being governed here by Islamic law (sharia), Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States “until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

As Trump makes clear, our country’s representatives have no clue. Worse, they seem content to remain in ignorance no matter how many Americans die, no matter how far sharia spreads. Not Trump. When you think about it, his call for a Muslim immigration moratorium is really a no-brainer — but whose “politically correct” brain is capable even of thinking of it, let alone calling for it out loud? I regret to say that Sen. Cruz does not support Trump’s moratorium, deferring instead to a rosier vision of Islam and immigration screening both in order, politely, to reject it.

That’s too bad, but so it goes, further testament to the fearless, agenda-setting powers of Trump. It’s really quite incredible: soon, maybe even before it’s too late, GOP primary voters will have a clear choice on walls, borders, immigration, even Islamic immigration (and, I would hope, the related issue of Islamic law), all because Donald Trump plucked these crucial issues from the void where the politicians, including good conservatives, have been eager to leave them.

Go Trump!
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RustyNails

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johnsmith said:
Can't be any worse than losing to the Muslim socialist.
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It will be worse than electing the Muslim socialist. It's Hillary Clinton. Her lies killed those four brave American hero soldier knights, benghazi, Vince foster and America. She will not steal the election once again with her clandestine organizations and thugs. The American patriot and the proud member of the Minutemen taskforce will not yield to the jackboot of government minders and will not go silently into the night when the gross miscarriage of justice takes shape once more.
 
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Makai said:
These are the Democrat debates. Nobody's claimed these and I certainly won't. Kingkitty?

January 17
South Carolina
NBC

February 11
Wisconsin
PBS

March 9
Florida
Univision
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i got the january one (which might be the last and least seen debate, lol)

if bernie survives iowa/new hampshire then i might do the feb debate as well

if there's a march debate, then the bern is real
 
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Makai

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kingkitty said:
i got the january one (which might be the last and least seen debate, lol)

if bernie survives iowa/new hampshire then i might do the feb debate as well

if there's a march debate, then the bern is real
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B-Dubs claimed it. I've got you down for Hype February
 
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Zona

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RustyNails said:
It will be worse than electing the Muslim socialist. It's Hillary Clinton. Her lies killed those four brave American hero soldier knights, benghazi, Vince foster and America. She will not steal the election once again with her clandestine organizations and thugs. The American patriot and the proud member of the Minutemen taskforce will not yield to the jackboot of government minders and will not go silently into the night when the gross miscarriage of justice takes shape once more.
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Imagine, if you will, that it's election night 2016. The polls are closed and the numbers are coming in. There have been no October surprises, the economy is ticking happily along, no terrorist attacks on the U.S. Hell imagine even ISIS is in retreat. Now imagine the reactions in this thread, as the numbers come in, to not just a Trump victory but a blow out.

That is going to be the level of shock and disbelief from almost everyone around me who doesn't follow politics in-depth to a Republican loss. This whole cycle so far makes me wish English had a word that meant both amusement and terror, at the same time.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
PhoenixDark said:
I hope to god we leave this shit in 2015.

What a year for fascism on the left and right.
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Agreed, but it's only going to get worse. Our country is polarized to a ridiculous extent at this point and I honestly believe it is past the point of no return.
 
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benjipwns

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JOHN KASICH: They don't. I've done 45 town hall meetings in New Hampshire, more than anybody running for president, and I'm surging, as you know, I'm now running third in the poll, one point behind second place, and really not that far behind Donald Trump.

I don't have anybody squawking back at me -- it's ridiculous. To think that we're going to go into the neighborhoods, grab people out of their homes, and ship people back to Mexico. It's not going to happen.

And so, don't get all --everybody's all hyped up about these polls.
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Trump's polls discredited.
 
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Third Strike

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Zona said:
Imagine, if you will, that it's election night 2016. The polls are closed and the numbers are coming in. There have been no October surprises, the economy is ticking happily along, no terrorist attacks on the U.S. Hell imagine even ISIS is in retreat. Now imagine the reactions in this thread, as the numbers come in, to not just a Trump victory but a blow out.

That is going to be the level of shock and disbelief from almost everyone around me who doesn't follow politics in-depth to a Republican loss. This whole cycle so far makes me wish English had a word that meant both amusement and terror, at the same time.
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How did the Democrats in 1988 react when a Republican won the White House for a third time? I know they shifted more to the right with Clinton in 1992, but was there a lot of animosity among Democrats after losing a third time?
 
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Third Strike said:
How did the Democrats in 1988 react when a Republican won the White House for a third time? I know they shifted more to the right with Clinton in 1992, but was there a lot of animosity among Democrats after losing a third time?
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I was only a kid back then but my understanding is that early in '88 Democrats thought they were going to crush the Republicans in the election after Black Monday and the Iran - Contra scandal. When Bush came to back win, large parts of the traditional left basically gave up. That allowed the Clinton and the DNC to move the party to the center without causing a huge schism in the party.
 
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NeoXChaos

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The Republicans have not had a third term defeat in the modern era. The sting is certainly going to be new for this generation of the current Republican Party.
 
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It begins.

When Donald Trump and his team were planning his presidential campaign, they drew up a budget of $25 million for television advertising in the third quarter of this year. They wound up spending zero for the rest of 2015.That is about to change. Sources in the Trump camp say they will soon launch a major ad blitz that could cost at least $2 million a week, and possibly several times that.
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Some pundits have expressed skepticism that Trump really wants to dig deeply into his personal fortune, but these sources insist he is ready to do just that—perhaps as much as $100 million for advertising overall. “Our Super PAC,” says the adviser, “is Donald Trump’s bank account.”
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...itz-that-could-change-campaign-landscape.html
 
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Holmes

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TRUMP starting to air ads is great, buuuuut it's pretty late in the game in that many other campaigns and SuperPACs have already reserved commercial airtime, so he might be getting whatever's leftover.
 
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HylianTom

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Roland_Gunner said:
I was only a kid back then but my understanding is that early in '88 Democrats thought they were going to crush the Republicans in the election after Black Monday and the Iran - Contra scandal. When Bush came to back win, large parts of the traditional left basically gave up. That allowed the Clinton and the DNC to move the party to the center without causing a huge schism in the party.
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Sounds about right.

After that, the convention wisdom became that the GOP had a virtual lock on the electoral college. Hell, in 1992, SNL ran a debate sketch for the Democratic Primary with this title:
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Found the sketch!
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/democratic-debate/2859836

It's the candidates trying to outdo each other on why they'd be a poor choice for nominee. Hysterical.
 
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RustyNails

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Holmes said:
TRUMP starting to air ads is great, buuuuut it's pretty late in the game in that many other campaigns and SuperPACs have already reserved commercial airtime, so he might be getting whatever's leftover.
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But according to Nate "Punished" Silver, Iowa and New Hampshire voters don't pay attention to election until the last week or so. So Trump is using his money in the most ideal fashion.
 
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Jack Remington

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Hexa said:
It begins.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...itz-that-could-change-campaign-landscape.html
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Fucking finally. I'm concerned about his ground game though. I know there was an article about how Trump has precinct captains set up in Iowa, but everything I've seen since then has made it look like he's running a pretty haphazard operation in the other early states. Iowa is almost certainly going to Cruz, so Trump absolutely has to win NH and SC and ideally Nevada as well.
 
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