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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll

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benjipwns

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Probably when I suffer CTE and start thinking I know better than the people who actually spend 60 hours a week working on her campaign and have access to all their internal data and sources.
You didn't trust the people who spent years inside the Heaven's Gate cult over those outside it who never spent a day with it did you?
 

Debirudog

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I don't even think Hillary publically attacking Donald would gain much at this point, considering how the media likes to employ the, "both sides" rhetoric regardless of the facts and evidence to her statements. She should employ ads, but the debate is where she would truly eviscerate Trump's candidacy.

What's making me realize however, is that it's disgusting that the press doesn't focus on any of Hillary's policies. Shit that you would think matters for a presidency. Fuck 'em.
 
Negative campaigning also doesn't boost your numbers. It hurts your opponents. You reach a point of diminishing returns. Trump's at like 30% approval. That shit ain't going much lower.
 
I really dont understand why anyone gives Stein platform. She's an idiot. Not saying the trip snafu makes her so, but why would anyone spend time and energy to hear somebody who's views do not align with anyone is beyond me. What's next, Vermin Supreme?
 
I don't even think Hillary publically attacking Donald would gain much at this point, considering how the media likes to employ the, "both sides" rhetoric regardless of the facts and evidence to her statements. She should employ ads, but the debate is where she would truly eviscerate Trump's candidacy.

What's making me realize however, is that it's disgusting that the press doesn't focus on any of Hillary's policies. Shit that you would think matters for a presidency. Fuck 'em.

Yup. This was particularly bad during the alt-right speech:

TRUMP: "Hillary is a BIGOT!" no supporting evidence.
HRC: "Trump hangs around with alt-right and says the same things" lists evidence to support argument.

Media: "Both sides trading insults!"
 
That would be devastating for the Trump campaign, but we knew that.

I expected it to be lower, honestly. He's trashed the latinos.

But anything under 30 is good news.

This is what interests me. Every survey or poll done specifically targeting a certain group shows different results than what you see in the crosstabs of a general poll. I don't get it.
Bigger sample, GE polls have a much smaller sample of a particular demographic.


P.S.: Emerson being very friendly to Trump.
 
I expected it to be lower, honestly. He's trashed the latinos.

But anything under 30 is good news.

P.S.: Emerson being very friendly to Trump.

Well, unlike many other groups we poll, Hispanic/Latino voters are much more diverse group than, say, African-American voters. Asian-Americans are more comparable. Getting under 20% is devastating.
 

benjipwns

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I don't even think Hillary publically attacking Donald would gain much at this point, considering how the media likes to employ the, "both sides" rhetoric regardless of the facts and evidence to her statements. She should employ ads, but the debate is where she would truly eviscerate Trump's candidacy.

What's making me realize however, is that it's disgusting that the press doesn't focus on any of Hillary's policies. Shit that you would think matters for a presidency. Fuck 'em.
Why would the press be qualified to cover policy or even generic proposals?

This is sports. These are sports reporters. What matters is who is winning and who is losing and what single event explains all aspects of both and what the grand narrative is and what it means about us in the end. Because all things ultimately have to speak about us.

Your "health care policy wonk" reporter like Ezra Klein has no experience in the health care industry, health insurance industry, policymaking agencies, Congress or anything else like that. And those are the types that actually write regular articles about the subject they have no experience in.

That's not even touching on all the variables that are entirely unknown about what just the political environment is going to look like for when these "policies" are to be implemented or attempted to be implemented, let alone what the economic conditions are, or global conditions, or Steam sale situation.

What are campaign analysts or party strategists or advisers or Fox News Contributors supposed to know about anything at all?

Not to mention there wouldn't be an audience for it. That's why the "debates" don't and won't touch on it beyond stock phrases and talking points. Because we need to dispel with this notion that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing, he knows exactly what he's doing.
 
If you want to see policy on your TV in depth slightly greater than a teaspoon, you're gonna have to hope Clinton pulls an Obama and runs a half-hour infomercial again, because there is no way in hell the American press is suddenly going to stop caring about ratings enough to talk about That Boring Shit.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Probably when I suffer CTE and start thinking I know better than the people who actually spend 60 hours a week working on her campaign and have access to all their internal data and sources.


This is t.

And, also, those Latino numbers hahahaha. Good luck in Florida, Trump.

To be fair, nearly (Trump excluded) every presidential candidate has solid campaign staff. I mean, even Romney's crew got hoodwinked by the "unskewed" garbage.

As for Florida, it's done. I see no way Trump takes Florida with those Latino numbers.
 

benjipwns

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If you want to see policy on your TV in depth slightly greater than a teaspoon, you're gonna have to hope Clinton pulls an Obama and runs a half-hour infomercial again, because there is no way in hell the American press is suddenly going to stop caring about ratings enough to talk about That Boring Shit.
Ahem, that's called A Perot:
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Obama's was mostly touchy feely human interest horseshit.
 
Radio Free GOP is easily the best political podcast. This week was really good.

Well, unlike many other groups we poll, Hispanic/Latino voters are much more diverse group than, say, African-American voters. Asian-Americans are more comparable. Getting under 20% is devastating.

Yes. but I'm including the "angry white voter who never votes and will vote for Trump this time" into the equation - even though that demo doesn't exists in big numbers.

Their turnout is another issue, though.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
The "taco trucks" comment thing was pretty bad, but that's not the worst thing that Trumpeter said yesterday. He said that Mexican "culture" is very "dominant". Joy should have focused on that part a lot more, imo.
 

thebloo

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I really dont understand why anyone gives Stein platform. She's an idiot. Not saying the trip snafu makes her so, but why would anyone spend time and energy to hear somebody who's views do not align with anyone is beyond me. What's next, Vermin Supreme?

I'm going on a limb. I think it's partially misogyny. People like it when women try . Not succeed, but do their best and reinforce the truth of the male superiority. I mean, Johnson is polling way higher and is getting much less coverage.

I am working on a thread for this because this is the funniest fucking report I have ever read.

Link us when you're done, please.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Why is the press giving zero coverage to that Trump Foundation/pay-for-play thing?
 

theultimo

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Why is the press giving zero coverage to that Trump Foundation/pay-for-play thing?

Not a jucy story as HILLARY LIED.

Otherwise, its been reported in bits before, but not the recent tax highlight. Considering the media, it might not see airtime becase the comeback king, Donald, is a close race!
 

Nafai1123

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Who's up for some weekend reading? The FBI Clinton report.

Some interesting bits.

CLINTON never deleted, nor did she instruct anyone to delete, her email to avoid complying with the Federal Records Act, FOIA, or State or FBI requests for information. Concerning the Congressional preservation request on March 3, 2015 for email and other records, CLINTON trusted her legal team would comply with the request.

CLINTON had no knowledge regarding the following topics:

The creation, storate, transfer, or access to an archive of her email created by MONICA HANLEY in the Spring of 2013.

The Specific processes and procedures used by CLINTON's legal team and PRN to separate her work and personal email

Discussions of federal records related to the Apple, Pagliano, or PRN servers

The existence of any copies of her clintoneemail.com emails, other than what has been provided to the FBI and State

March 2015 deletions by PRN
 
I sincerely believe that socialism is the future.

I just don't trust people enough in order to give them that sort of power. That's why I want a computer controlled socialist state

I'm the opposite. I don't trust computers because they lack empathy which is like the most important thing in government for me.

Human beings and the economy aren't numbers

CLINTON never deleted, nor did she instruct anyone to delete, her email to avoid complying with the Federal Records Act, FOIA, or State or FBI requests for information. Concerning the Congressional preservation request on March 3, 2015 for email and other records, CLINTON trusted her legal team would comply with the request.

THIS SHOULD END IT.
 
I'm not worried about Clinton's numbers going down.

However I am definitely worried to see Trump's numbers go up. It's one thing to have people go from certain Hillary voters to undecided (but probably still leaning Clinton). It's another for undecided (and possibly a tiny amount of Clinton supporters) to start favoring Trump.

Why would that make you anxious with so many days left until the election? Everyone voting Clinton, Trump, 3rd party, or not at all is trying to make a rational decision in their own interest. Clinton for now is in a good position heading into the debates.

I'd focus my worries if I was a Democratic on allegedly reasonable people wanting a loser like John Kasich to become the Republican nominee. Very scary because he's as extreme as they come and disrespectful towards women and minorities via policies in Ohio. Do people prefer the rhetoric to be softer and the actual actions harsher? Seems backwards.
 

thebloo

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people wanting a loser like John Kasich to become the Republican nominee. Very scary because he's as extreme as they come and disrespectful towards women and minorities via policies in Ohio. Do people prefer the rhetoric to be softer and the actual actions harsher? Seems backwards.

Read this in Trump's voice.

Rhetoric is important. It makes a certain group of people follow you and it creates a meaningful political discourse. Also, nobody wanted Kasich. They would have preferred him as President vs Trump.
 
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