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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll
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User 463088
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Like, I don't think anyone is saying he stabbed Hillary in the back, unless I'm reading something wrong? My whole point is what you said in your first sentence. You don't want a careless surrogate.
Tell it.
I mean, this has nothing to do with personal feelings about Bernie Sanders. It was a stupid, unhelpful, and factually inaccurate thing for Bernie to say, and I thought that before I scrolled down and saw that the Trump campaign had already pounced on it.
And it does recall the argument on the quality of surrogates, which is a debate we had multiple times in this thread whenever Bernie's surrogates would say something stupid and damage his own campaign.
It has yet to be seen if Bernie's influence over younger voters and independents has survived the primaries. His Our Revolution PAC has so far been a failure and most (all of them?) of the candidates he personally endorsed got trounced. And we already know most of his supporters were coming on board before his endorsement anyway. So if he can't at least bring something tangible to the campaign, he can at least stay on message. And if he can't do that, well...shit.
User 463088
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Hillary trying to encourage me to vote by having Chibundu Nnake email me. Getting that Ohio State voters I see. 
Also, one thing about YouGov I meant to mention. Stein isn't on the ballot in NC. She's a write in. She's not getting 2% as a write in. Period.
Also, one thing about YouGov I meant to mention. Stein isn't on the ballot in NC. She's a write in. She's not getting 2% as a write in. Period.
TestOfTide
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Fuck. Chris Wallace just basically said he won't call anyone out for lying during the debate he will moderate.
Why am I not surprised that he just thinks he is there to ask the predetermined questions?
Hopefully the Hillary campaign has caught onto this and is prepared for Hillary having to cal out Trump herself on the last debate.
Why am I not getting any emails? I signed up to help the campaign and they haven't sent me anything besides confirmation of signing up.
Why am I not surprised that he just thinks he is there to ask the predetermined questions?
Hopefully the Hillary campaign has caught onto this and is prepared for Hillary having to cal out Trump herself on the last debate.
Hillary trying to encourage me to vote by having Chibundu Nnake email me. Getting that Ohio State voters I see.
Also, one thing about YouGov I meant to mention. Stein isn't on the ballot in NC. She's a write in. She's not getting 2% as a write in. Period.
Why am I not getting any emails? I signed up to help the campaign and they haven't sent me anything besides confirmation of signing up.
User 463088
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I'm not sure. I've gotten three this weekend asking me to volunteer tomorrow. I can't, for a couple reasons. Are you in a swing state?
TestOfTide
Banned
No, I'm in MA, but I figured that since I'm right near NH they would be asking volunteers in my state to help out in NH.
User 463088
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You may want to contact your local democratic office. I've found that's the best route to go if you're not hearing from the campaign directly. They can usually let you know if they're doing a busing event or something. I know they did one from Cali to NV last weekend.
nature boy
Member
They're already managing expectations, not because of diablosing, but some people think she's going to destroy him. That's not going to happen.
Trump's going to win the soundbite war, Clinton's best bet is showing the contrast between both.
TestOfTide
Banned
Thanks. I decided to just stop waiting for requests and just sign up for a couple of things for this upcoming week through Hilary's website.
nature boy
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Sent from Android. LEGIT!
User 463088
Banned
Acid Wash Email sounds like the name of an indie grunge band that smells like weed and bad decisions.
Hobbestetrician
Member
Can't even sit down to enjoy a 23-year old episode of Cheers without it being poisoned with a Trump mention. Fuck, I hate this man.
You heard him. Don't vote for Trump, write in the letter "T" for President!
Wear a taco truck on every corner t-shirt. That'll show him.
Because it's not his job. No, seriously, that was his answer.
neurosisxeno
Member
It didn't. Granted my view of it is probably skewed from living in Bernieopolus VT, but I can tell you from my experience the people who were energized to support Bernie during the primaries have all but given up on the General Election. Most of them are just posting on social media about how important Third Parties are and how Hillary (or should I say KILLARY/SHILLARY) is literally evil incarnate. The young people who supported Sanders in the primary were largely unaffiliated voters with little interest in the political process, who had the "I want reform and I want it now" mindset, that after losing decided to take their ball and go home.
To be fair Vermont is a very different place from the rest of the country
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
My Twitter feed has finally come around to "fiiiiine. I guess", with some people actually transitioning into "wait wow she has to deal with a lot of bullshit huh?"
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
I don't think it's that bleak, at least from my own anecdotal perspective. I would say about 25% of my social media circle have filled the classic bernie-bro cliche, but the other 75% have respectfully switched over to Clinton and just don't post about it as much because they aren't really as jazzed up for her, but they've posted enough to signify that they're not going 3rd party or anything like that.
I was personally considering voting for Jill Stein for a while since I live in CA and have the luxury of doing that without fear of handing the election to Cheeto Hitler, but then I came to realize she has weird anti-science stances, or at least panders to those people, and seems like more of a provocateur than someone legitimately concerned with progressive issues. I wanted to use my vote to suggest that there's still a decent chunk of people looking to push the national conversation further left. Unfortunately, I think voting for Jill Stein would just suggest that I'm a voter concerned about the potential health issues of wi-fi so, eh, I guess Hillary's fine.
God dammit. Yeah I just read. Lazy ass moderator.
It's the last debate too. I realize he can't do either candidate's job but to not call out Trump on his bullshit? Are you kidding me? It's the last debate, the last time people will see both candidates on stage together to make an impression and he's just going to let Trump lie his ass off? BECAUSE HE WILL if there's no moderation. He always will but if it's just Hillary trying to stop him, forget it, Trump will say ANYTHING.
Tired of this shit. I know Hillary is looking good in the swing states but the RCP average is way too close for comfort.
neurosisxeno
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Like I said, VTers are salty as fuck. I think it's come down to more of them being okay with voting for her just so Trump doesn't win. The only people I actually know that are voting for Trump are a couple horribly misogynistic guys who want Trump to just burn the whole place down so we can restart--not realizing that such an idea is both insane and would ruin their lives. I've heard a lot of support for Gary Johnson as well. Somehow people made the leap from Big Government Democratic Socialist Bernie to Minimum Government Libertarian Gary Johnson--which blows my mind and enlightens me to how little people actually pay attention to politics...
I believe that was only 80% of Bernie voters who identified as Democrats.
User 463088
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I think the difference is the idiots who said they wouldn't support Obama because Hillary lost weren't as loud as the people who say they won't support Bernie. There are a lot of reasons for this, but it's mostly irrelevant, I think? I would argue the 20% or so of Berner hold outs were either never reliable voters or wouldn't have voted for any Democrat whose name didn't rhyme with Lernie Banders.
shinra-bansho
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Opinions will already be pretty set by the time they do the Fox debate anyway.
TestOfTide
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And the worst part is that if Hillary even so much as makes a slight towards the fact that Chris won't moderate the narrative becomes "Clinton fighting Trump AND the moderator".
The only chance she has to make the best of this is to shift that third debate on tricking trump into saying things that EVERYONE will know are dumb.
Or she will need to just trounce Trump so hard in the first 2 debates that a 3rd debate in which the Mod doesn't do his job will still look like Trump is getting desperate.
Otherwise Trump will just get to fake a "comeback" by constantly lying his ass off.
And Chris doesn't want to fact check people, but someone should ask if he will do ANYTHING if Trump starts just talking over Hillary.
Like if Chris refuses to even keep people from interrupting one another, I fucking hope that the crowd just goes "fuck it" and boos Chris Wallace and Trump. I know the crowd is supposed to be quiet, but if Chris won't enforce ANY rules then the crowd shouldn't respect those rules.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Probably my favorite moment from canvassing was talking to this old couple who mentioned sharing info about Hillary with people and watching their friends be like "Woah she's done so much good why isn't she more popular".
whyamihere
Banned
I kind of agree. He said the same thing the Clintons have been saying. So, like, everyone calm down.
RastaMentality
Banned
I wonder if they're prepping her to keep her answers shorter than they were in the primaries since it's not an actual policy debate (like it was with Bernie) this time around.
TestOfTide
Banned
Am I the only one noticing that a lot of people on Twitter are calling out the media for ignoring recent Trump scandals?
Even Mark Cuban is calling this bullshit out.
Even Mark Cuban is calling this bullshit out.
Will they though? What if Trump does better than expected? Wallace is last. That means debate tactics are a longer game given that he has no interest in calling anyone out. This gives Trump more time and they know common fucking sense debate rules/guidelines need not apply save time limits for the final debate. Trump, Ailes etc. are probably already working this into their debate strategy calculus.
gutter_trash
Banned
the news media desperately wants to maintain the "horse race narrative", they don't want a landslide
A lot of left leaners are so no one cares, but maybe the Soledad comments will get noticed.
This is not the election to be out there messing with perception. Trump is legit a threat to the country and the world.
User 463088
Banned
Yes. Opinions will be set by October 19th.
Like, brah, this is LITERALLY the textbook definition of you-ing. Relax brah. Hillary's team is not stupid. What's going to happen is going to happen. We can't micromanage every aspect of the election cycle. If Trump says something wrong, he may not get fact checked on the spot a la Candy, but it will be talked about.
No one wants to be labeled as "bias librul media".
gutter_trash
Banned
I think the media critiquing itself on this has become the new narrative. I've been seeing a lot of it, too. Joy Reid had a pretty good segment on it this morning. And Lord, Soledad O'Brien dragged everyone on CNN today.
We'll see if it leads to any difference in reporting starting this week. Another good sign is Hillary finally letting the press on her plane.
User 463088
Banned
So, Trump is going back to Pensacola? WHY!? You've already got the pan handle. Go to Tampa or Orlando or, hell, Polk County. I mean, don't because I want you to lose you orange dumbass, but still.
No doubt Trump knows what C stands for.
TestOfTide
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Hopefully this starts being pushed more by all the Clinton surrogates the same way the Trump surrogates all like to try to change the narrative to emails and "Dems failed black people".
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