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[RustyNails]

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Democrats need to tie them together. Rubio supports Trump after all.

 

[Wilsongt]

The media needs to stop pushing Trump on the birther thing, and instead push him on tax returns.

They're driving this issue into a frenzy again, and (I'm expecting) he's going to relent in the first debate and come out on top.

No one cares about tax returns, though.

Also, Fox was trying to pull a "Well, Bill Clinton said it too, thus it's not racist" when he said "Make America Great Again."

Context is key, of course. Which we know Fox ignores.

 

[thefro]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/new-photos-bill-clinton-trump-melania-227945

New photodump from the Clinton library of pics of Trump & Big Dawg together

 

[HylianTom]

I drove through and stayed a couple of days in Mississippi back in January for a wedding right in the middle of the Mississippi Delta and man... what a tragic place. I've never seen anywhere more horrifyingly stuck in the past and so prone to self-inflicted wounds. Pretty much everywhere aside from the like two college towns is hemorrhaging money and schools, infrastructure, support programs, etc are suffering worse than anything I've seen at home (Missouri). They just continue to vote for lower taxes and continue to elect horrific candidates that actually manage to make things worse for them. The people there have absolutely clue how self-destructive they are. At least Kansas has learned its lesson (a bit) when it comes to extremely conservative elected officials. Mississippi is caught in a vicious cycle unlike anything I've ever seen.

It's easy to make fun of it for sure, but it really is a sad situation down there. I pity them. Hopefully the DNC eventually devotes significant resources to educating regions like this. Try to make these people understand that it would be in their best interests to vote liberal. Honestly, they should employ that strategy in every rural state/region.

Absolutely. My husband's grandma lives in the Delta; we get to visit her a few times a year. The Delta (and much of Mississippi) wears its wounds visibly. We went to Ole Miss in the 90s, and one of the saddest things is that very little has changed - the state is like a political time capsule, where progress is either at a standstill or moving in very slow motion. How to figure out the voters there is one of the great Democratic conundrums of our time.

(And he was at Keesler AFB in the early 90s. Got the hell out of there and went to Sembach, Germany soon as he could.)

 

[NeoXChaos]

Geoffrey Skelley ‏@geoffreyvs 18m18 minutes ago Virginia, USA
Latino Decisions -- PRES/SEN D margin among Latinos.

AZ +51/+26
CO +55/+55
FL +35/+4(!)
NC +59/+34
NV +56/+39
OH +39/+18

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[Fragamemnon]

tax returns..

tax returns are a dead end. He won't ever do it, and he'll just gaslight the media about it so that they'll cover random Hillary nothingburgers out of confusion even more.

I'm 100% convinced that Hillary is better off taking angles that don't "force" the Trump campaign to respond since they tend to do so in such crazy ways that reporters feel uncomfortable calling out what they see (since it's so terrible). So instead, the media talk about EMAILZ.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

It's quite possible that a potential tie would be avoided by an elector not voting for Trump. They aren't all bound, are they?

The red states have laws against faithless electors, but the gray ones don't. There are various rules for what happens to that person's vote though (sometimes it's discarded, sometimes counted, etc...).

 

[Fox318]

Isn't that the plot of a Kevin Kline movie?

Sophie's Choice 2

 

[nature boy]

Florida 21% Trump latino support, 60% very unfavorable.

It's over.

 

[RastaMentality]

That Rubio race is razor thin.

 

[kess]

Everybody knows about Mississippi.. goddamn..

I was absolutely gobsmacked when I drove through the Delta region and found a few well off people with signs like "Family Plantation" or some such shit outside their house.

 

[Dan]

It kind of baffles me how many Trump supports ignore this considering the majority of his voting base grew up during the cold war era...

But the truth is portions of the right have been praising Putin, especially in contrast to Obama, for the last few years. It's not a Trump invention that others have gone along with. They just love an authoritarian who disregards international organizations and oppresses minorities.

 

[Basileus777]

Florida 21% Trump latino support, 60% very unfavorable.

It's over.

This alone makes a Trump Presidency impossible. He can't win without Florida and no one can win Florida in 2016 with those numbers.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Absolutely. My husband's grandma lives in the Delta; we get to visit her a few times a year. The Delta (and much of Mississippi) wears its wounds visibly. We went to Ole Miss in the 90s, and one of the saddest things is that very little has changed - the state is like a political time capsule, where progress is either at a standstill or moving in very slow motion. How to figure out the voters there is one of the great Democratic conundrums of our time.

(And he was at Keesler AFB in the early 90s. Got the hell out of there and went to Sembach, Germany soon as he could.)

Stuff moves so slowly here. I've only ever lived in MS, but when I moved to Oxford, I at least met other Democrats for the first time in my life (other than my grandfather, the only Dem in the family). The university just got rid of Dixie this year, and there hasn't been nearly as much blowback as there used to be when they took the flag down and stuff. All of the state's public universities now refuse to fly the state flag except for Delta State (and I don't see them taking much longer).

That issue in particular could be the path to change here. MS put the flag up for a vote in '03, and it was overwhelmingly kept. But if the schools and half the businesses won't fly it, then eventually people will be fine with it changing. Especially since it's change coming from other Mississippians. The worst thing you could call people here is a Yankee, and the idea that someone from outside the state is pressuring it pisses people off so much.

I think we'll end up with the Magnolia Flag in a decade, which would be nice. I mean, for God's sakes, we've got to get past this:

.

I would much rather have this:

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What Hispanic numbers did Bush get in Florida?

 

[whyamihere]

Those senate numbers are killing me. Same with the Latino Decisions numbers. Ugh.

Florida 21% Trump latino support, 60% very unfavorable.

It's over.

Yes, this is the good news.

 

[nature boy]

What Hispanic numbers did Bush get in Florida?

According to exit polls, he got 40% nationwide, so probably a bit higher in Florida.

Romney got close to 40% in Florida and lost.

Trump needs a big white turnout to overcome those numbers, and that's not possible.

This is assuming of course the latinos turn out, but that's why the Clinton campaign has a massive GOTV operations (they call it the biggest in history).

 

[Crayons]

How big do you guys think the turnout will be this November? Can it rival Obama's numbers?

 

[Ecotic]

This alone makes a Trump Presidency impossible. He can't win without Florida and no one can win Florida in 2016 with those numbers.

If so, why is Trump still polling competitively in Florida with such low Latino numbers? Why haven't polls out of the state picked it up? I've just been assuming Florida is still a steep hill to climb because it votes 3% or more Republican than the nation at large.

 

[BlastProcessing]

was she more liberal that obama before bernie forced her to be b/c she almost lost to a 70 year old socialist? didn't look that way.

One of the many things Milton Berle was know for was the size of his dick. It was an open secret in Hollywood that the dude was hung and he did nothing to dissuade people on the matter. One time at a party a guy, probably a little tipsy, came over to Berle and got in his face a little bit. He questioned the rumors, vis-á-vis Milton's schlong, and demanded a dick measuring contest right then and there. Berle calmly set his drink down and said "Well, if you'd like to have a challenge, I'll just pull out enough to beat ya."

And then he did just that.

 

[Wilsongt]

How big do you guys think the turnout will be this November? Can it rival Obama's numbers?

No.
Too much voter apathy and "they both suck why vote lol"

 

[Plinko]

Florida 21% Trump latino support, 60% very unfavorable.

It's over.

This alone makes a Trump Presidency impossible. He can't win without Florida and no one can win Florida in 2016 with those numbers.

Why is he still performing well in Florida polls?

 

[TestOfTide]

Hastert rule is legislative poison and needs to die. He should just bury it for good.

The problem is that if a Republican Speaker were to say they won't do the rule, that's literally saying "I don't care if most of party doesn't support something. If I have the votes I'm gonna put it to a vote."

Ryan would be at risk of losing his speakership if he did such a thing.

BTW, does the the speaker have to be chosen by a majority of house votes or can a plurality be enough?

 

[nature boy]

If so, why is Trump still polling competitively in Florida with such low Latino numbers? Why haven't polls out of the state picked it up? I've just been assuming Florida is still a steep hill to climb because it votes 3% or more Republican than the nation at large.

State polls tend to undersample latinos and overestimate his latino support (30%), while latino focused polls show his support in the low 20 and under that.

And polls assume a certain demographic breakdown will vote, and we will most likely see a higher latino turnout.

 

[Crayons]

No.
Too much voter apathy and "they both suck why vote lol"

That's such bullshit I'd argue that this election is MORE important

 

[Plinko]

Indiana is locked down for Trump:

The WTHR/HPI Indiana Poll has Trump with a 43% to 36% lead over Clinton followed by Libertarian Gary Johnson with 11%. The remaining 10% are undecided or will not vote for President.

The contest has a similar margin to the previous WTHR/HPI Indiana poll from April. That poll showed Trump in the lead 47% to 39% but did not include Johnson.

So both candidates draw evenly from Johnson's voters when he's out.

 

[Holmes]

Indiana is locked down for Trump:

Well it is a Republican state whose governor is on the Republican ticket.

 

[Wilsongt]

That's such bullshit I'd argue that this election is MORE important

Have you seen all the posts in the OT, undecided voters, etc around? Why vote for someone they hate?

People are dumb.

 

[Plinko]

Well it is a Republican state whose governor is on the Republican ticket.

I know. Some people a month or two ago were considering a Hillary victory, but it isn't happening.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

I'm not sure where the idea that Trump is dealing well in Florida polling is coming from. The recent Q poll? Which was a tie? Essentially every poll from a solid pollster since the beginning of August has shown Clinton ahead. These Latino Decision polls are nonetheless comforting.

 

[nature boy]

Well it is a Republican state whose governor is on the Republican ticket.

Yes, but there's more ticketsplitting than usual because Bayh will win the Senate race.

 

[Holmes]

People tend to lose their shit whenever Quinnipiac releases polls.

 

[sazzy]

Minnesota Democrats move to kick Trump off ballot
By DANIEL STRAUSS 09/09/16 12:33 PM EDT
Minnesota Democrats are taking steps to kick Donald Trump off the state's ballot, arguing that the Minnesota Republican Party improperly put Trump's name on there.

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party chairman Ken Martin filed a legal petition with the state Supreme Court looking to kick Trump from the ballot.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/minnesota-democrats-no-trump-ballot-227954

hmm chances of being successful?

 

[kess]

Why is he still performing well in Florida polls?

Florida Man

 

[thefro]

Indiana is locked down for Trump:

Actually a good poll for Clinton with the current national #s.

Howey Politics/WTHR are supposed to release Senate/Governor later this afternoon

Poll was 9/6-9/8

 

[RustyNails]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/minnesota-democrats-no-trump-ballot-227954

hmm chances of being successful?

Uhh, why do we want this?

 

[jbug617]

Our friends at Wikileaks tried to hide some documents
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-russia-bank-2-billion/

A trove of hacked emails published by WikiLeaks in 2012 excludes records of a €2 billion transaction between the Syrian regime and a government-owned Russian bank, according to leaked U.S. court documents obtained by the Daily Dot.

WikiLeaks has become an ever-prominent force in the 2016 presidential election through its publishing of tens of thousands of emails, voicemails, and documents stolen from the Democratic National Committee by hackers that U.S. authorities and cybersecurity experts believe are linked to the Russian government. The transparency organization, which boasts of a commitment to use “cryptography to protect human rights” against repressive regimes, has faced criticism from supporters of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and praise from Republican opponent Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The court records, placed under seal by a Manhattan federal court and obtained by the Daily Dot through an anonymous source, show in detail how a group of hacktivists breached the Syrian government’s networks on the eve of the country’s civil war and extracted emails about major bank transactions the Syrian regime was hurriedly making amid a host of economic sanctions. In the spring of 2012, most of the emails found their way into a WikiLeaks database.

But one set of emails in particular didn’t make it into the cache of documents published by WikiLeaks in July 2012 as “The Syria Files,” despite the fact that the hackers themselves were ecstatic at their discovery. The correspondence, which WikiLeaks has denied withholding, describes “more than” €2 billion ($2.4 billion, at current exchange rates) moving from the Central Bank of Syria to Russia’s VTB Bank.

 

[Basileus777]

Uhh, why do we want this?

To reduce Republican turnout for House and local races.

 

[pigeon]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/minnesota-democrats-no-trump-ballot-227954

hmm chances of being successful?

Hard to judge. Probably pretty low, because I suspect the judge will want to be deferential to the clear desire of the state GOP, even though it does look like they technically violated the law. Maybe Metaphoreus has an opinion.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Uhh, why do we want this?

We don't, it's fuckery.

 

[RustyNails]

To reduce Republican turnout for House and local races.

It could also depress Democrats who want to vote for the president (and by extension downballot), if they think it's a done deal.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

It could also depress Democrats who want to vote for the president (and by extension downballot), if they think it's a done deal.

Gary Johnson winning at least one state confirmed

 

[eBay Huckster]

Indiana is locked down for Trump:

4% MOE?

sounds like a virtual tie to me, a card-carrying member of the national media

 

[Fenderputty]

Hard to judge. Probably pretty low, because I suspect the judge will want to be deferential to the clear desire of the state GOP, even though it does look like they technically violated the law. Maybe Metaphoreus has an opinion.

You need to edit your post and work in the words "jack remmington" or "FOIA" to summon him.

I don't think Citizens United, or PPACA works anymore.

EDIT: Maybe religious freedom laws.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Hard to judge. Probably pretty low, because I suspect the judge will want to be deferential to the clear desire of the state GOP, even though it does look like they technically violated the law. Maybe Metaphoreus has an opinion.

It's a weird situation. If they simply missed the deadline and asked for an extension, there's no doubt a Judge would allow it. Instead they scrambled to meet the deadline and submitted knowingly falsified documents. That puts the Judge in a much trickier position.

It's crazy that they bent over backwards to follow GOP bylaws when it meant a direct violation of state law.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Is Gary Johnson permanently constipated Y/N

 

[RustyNails]

Gary Johnson winning at least one state confirmed

Hillary will still win MN. Maybe if it were a red state then I'd be ok with the fuckery.

 

[nature boy]

Yikes

Will Jordan
‏@williamjordann
PUTIN Net-Favorability (YouGov/Economist Poll) among...

Democrats
July 2014: -54
Aug 2016: -54

Republicans
July 2014: -66
Aug 2016: -27

 

[Basileus777]

It could also depress Democrats who want to vote for the president (and by extension downballot), if they think it's a done deal.

The idea is that it'd hit Republican voters harder.

 

[Crayons]

Have you seen all the posts in the OT, undecided voters, etc around? Why vote for someone they hate?

People are dumb.

That's it. When I'm elected president, I'm making every high schooler in America take two years of political literacy classes