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[CoffeeJanitor]

Makes it seem obvious why past Presidents and candidates aren't exactly forthcoming with medical details. Public is just not smart enough to understand it.

I mean you could say the same about most people in any position imo

Showing your strength by working through sickness etc

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Never forget.

Hundreds More 9/11 Questions That Donald Trump Won’t Answer

Along with saying he lost hundreds of friends on 9/11, Donald Trump says he provided hundreds of workers for the recovery effort.

“Well, I have a lot of men down here right now,” Trump told a German TV station in an interview just uptown from Ground Zero two days after the attack. “We have over 100 and we have about 125 coming. So we’ll have a couple of hundred people down here.”

He added, “They’re very brave and what they’re doing is amazing, and we’ll be involved in some form to reconstruct.”

Even if he never dispatched people in addition to the more than 100 he said were already doing brave and amazing work, the odds are that dozens of them would have since suffered from 9/11-related illnesses.

But just as Trump replied with only silence when The Daily Beast asked him to name even one friend he lost on 9/11, and just as nobody seems to remember him at any of the many funerals, his spokeswoman failed to respond when The Daily Beast asked on Tuesday whether any of his workers had suffered from 9/11-related illnesses and, if so, what he had done to assist them.

A question that asks itself is how a guy who says he lost hundreds of friends in the attack and employed hundreds of people in the recovery effort could have failed to voice support late last year for the renewal of the Zadroga Act. That is the federal legislation providing support to the more than 33,000 people who have fallen ill as a result of exposure to the toxins at Ground Zero.

Trump ignored multiple letters drafted by FDNY Deputy Chief Richard Alles on behalf of the Citizens for the Extension of the James Zadroga Act, inquiring whether he intended to support the legislation.

“We have not received a response from you,” an Oct. 6, 2015, letter noted. “However, we saw your recent statements about the 14th anniversary of 9/11 via your official Twitter account.”

Those stirring sentiments came from a self-proclaimed billionaire who apparently contributed not a penny of his own money to the victims, unless former mayor Rudolph Giuliani is being truthful when he says Trump chose to contribute anonymously to the families of fallen cops and firefighters.

Records do show that Trump pocketed $150,000 in 9/11 funds meant to lessen the impact of the attack on small businesses. He told Time magazine that the grant was connected to an office tower he owns at 40 Wall Street.

“It was probably a reimbursement for the fact that I allowed people, for many months, to stay in the building, use the building and store things in the building,” Trump was quoted saying. “I was happy to do it, and to this day I am still being thanked for the many people I helped. The value of what I did was far greater than the money talked about, much of which was sent automatically to building owners in the area.”

As noted by the New York Daily News, Trump actually applied for the grant, seeking relief for “rent loss,” “cleanup,” and “repair.” He happened to have told German TV during the same Sept. 13, 2001, interview in which he spoke of his hundreds of recovery workers that his own properties in the area had not been affected.

“I have a lot of property down there, but it fortunately wasn’t affected by what happened at the World Trade Center,” he said.

 

[benjipwns]

Yeah, but why hasn't Hillary...

aw, forget it, i'm bored of it too

 

[johnsmith]

the_donald is working themselves into a frenzy over the latest email leaks. They think the ambassadorships are actually news.

 

[Sobriquet]

Did anyone post the Olbermann's video yet? I searched but couldn't find it.

176 Shocking Things Donald Trump Has Done This Election | The Closer with Keith Olbermann | GQ

Cuz holy shit.

 

[benjipwns]

That time Abraham Lincoln had a Congressman arrested, tried by the military and shipped to the enemy:

After General Ambrose E. Burnside issued General Order Number 38, warning that the "habit of declaring sympathies for the enemy" would not be tolerated in the Military District of Ohio, Vallandigham gave a major speech on May 1, 1863, charging that the war was being fought not to save the Union but to free the slaves by sacrificing the liberty of all Americans to "King Lincoln".[17] Burnside also suppressed circulation of the Chicago Times.[18]

The authority for Burnside's order came from the proclamation of September 24, 1862, when President Lincoln illegally suspended habeas corpus and made discouraging enlistments, drafts or any other disloyal practices subject to martial law and trial by military commissions.

On May 5, 1863, Vallandigham was arrested as a violator of General Order Number 38. His enraged supporters burned the offices of the Dayton Journal, the Republican rival to the Empire. Vallandigham was tried by a military court on May 6 and 7. Vallandigham's speech at Mount Vernon, Ohio, was cited as the source of the arrest.

Declaring the present war "a wicked, cruel, and unnecessary war"; "a war not being waged for the preservation of the Union"; "a war for the purpose of crushing out liberty and erecting a despotism"; "a war for the freedom of the blacks and the enslavement of the whites"; stating "that if the Administration had so wished, the war could have been honorably terminated months ago"; that "peace might have been honorably obtained by listening to the proposed intermediation of France"; that "propositions by which the Northern States could be won back, and the South guaranteed their rights under the Constitution, had been rejected the day before the late battle of Fredericksburg, by Lincoln and his minions", meaning thereby the President of the United States, and those under him in authority; charging "that the Government of the United States was about to appoint military marshals in every district, to restrain the people of their liberties, to deprive them of their rights and privileges"; characterizing General Orders No. 38, from Headquarters Department of the Ohio, as "a base usurpation of arbitrary authority", inviting his hearers to resist the same, by saying, "the sooner the people inform the minions of usurped power that they will not submit to such restrictions upon their liberties, the better"; declaring "that he was at all times, and upon all occasions, resolved to do what he could to defeat the attempts now being made to build up a monarchy upon the ruins of our free government"; asserting "that he firmly believed, as he said six months ago, that the men in power are attempting to establish a despotism in this country, more cruel and more oppressive than ever existed before."

On May 11, 1863, an application for a writ of habeas corpus was filed in federal court for Vallandigham by former Ohio Senator George E. Pugh.[25] Judge Humphrey H. Leavitt of the Circuit Court of the United States for the Southern District of Ohio upheld Vallandigham's arrest and military trial as a valid exercise of the President's war powers.

Lincoln, who considered Vallandigham a "wily agitator", was wary of making him a martyr to the Copperhead cause and on May 19, 1863, ordered him sent through the enemy lines to the Confederacy.[12][29] When he was within Confederate lines, Vallandigham said: "I am a citizen of Ohio, and of the United States. I am here within your lines by force, and against my will. I therefore surrender myself to you as a prisoner of war."

On June 2, 1863, having been banished to the South, Vallandigham was sent to Wilmington, North Carolina, by President Davis and put under guard as an "alien enemy".[34]

President Lincoln wrote the "Birchard Letter" of June 29, 1863, to several Ohio congressmen, offering to revoke Vallandigham's deportation order if they would agree to support certain policies of the Administration.

In February 1864 the Supreme Court unanimously held that it had no power to issue a writ of habeas corpus to a military commission. The court avoided disagreement with the President or military by arguing that since the extra-legal tribunals were not listed in any documents enumerating courts over which the Supreme Court had authority, Vallandigham had no grounds for appeal.

But wait, John Adams did it first, but did he do it better?

Lyon had launched his own newspaper, The Scourge Of Aristocracy and Repository of Important Political Truth,[11] when the Rutland Herald refused to publish his perceived radical work. On October 1, Lyon printed this paper speaking of the "unbounded thirst for ridiculous pomp, foolish adulation, and selfish avarice," as well as Adams' corruption of religion to further his war aims.[12] At the time it was quite common for Federalists to cite religious reasons for going to war against France; as well as for silencing the opposition.[13] Lyon had also, before the Alien and Sedition Acts had been passed, written a letter to one Alden Spooner, the publisher of the Vermont Journal. In this letter, which was written in response to perceived personal attacks from the Journal, Lyon called the president "bullying," and the Senate's responses "stupid."[12] Once the Alien and Sedition Acts were passed, the Federalists pushed for this letter to be printed in the Vermont Journal, adding charges to Lyon by subterfuge.[12] One other charge included publishing letters written by the poet Joel Barlow, which Lyon had read at political rallies.[14] These also were published prior to the Acts.[12][15] Lyon's defense was to be the unconstitutionality of the Acts, as Jeffersonians saw these Acts as violating the First Amendment to the Constitution. In Lyon's particular case, there was the aforementioned letter to Alden Spooner as well as that of Barlow, which meant Lyon felt entitled to bring up the Constitution's safeguards against ex post facto laws.[16][17] This defense was not allowed.[17][18]

Lyon was sentenced to four months in a Vergennes jail cell of dimensions 16' x 12' used for felons, counterfeiters, thieves, and runaway slaves, and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine and court costs, while Judge Paterson lamented being unable to give a harsher punishment.

While in jail, Lyon won election to the Sixth Congress by nearly doubling the votes of his closest adversary, 4,576 to 2,444.

In the election of 1800 Matthew Lyon cast the deciding vote for Jefferson after the election went to the House of Representatives because of an electoral tie.

Thankfully, a hundred years later, people were more sensible:

On Aug. 19, 1918, a group of Luverne, Minn., men forced their way into a house belonging to the family of John Meints, a German-American farmer they considered to be disloyal to the United States. They removed him forcibly and drove him by car to the South Dakota border, where masked men “assaulted him, whipped him, threatened to shoot him, besmeared his body with tar and feathers, and told him to cross the line into South Dakota, and that if he ever returned to Minnesota he would be hanged,” court records show.

...

Like some other German-Americans threatened during the war, he had refused to participate in a war bond drive to his neighbors’ satisfaction.

...

Meints sued 32 of the men involved, seeking damages of $100,000 for false imprisonment. After a lengthy trial in Mankato that produced more than 1,100 pages of testimony, a U.S. District Court jury ruled for the defendants

Judge Wilbur F. Booth, in charging the jury, said that the evidence was overwhelming in support of the contention that Meintz was disloyal and that there was a strong feeling against him in the community.

The action of the Luverne citizens in staging a celebration was taken as an indication of strong approval of the acquittal verdict, according to dispatches.

Well, at least the government wasn't:

wartime sedition prosecutions in 1918, when public sentiment against Germany was at a feverish pitch.

Seventy-nine Montanans were convicted under the state law, considered among the harshest in the country, for speaking out in ways deemed critical of the United States. In one instance, a traveling wine and brandy salesman was sentenced to 7 to 20 years in prison for calling wartime food regulations a "big joke."

Forty-one of those convicted, including one woman, went to prison on sentences from 1 to 20 years and paid fines from $200 to $20,000.

During that time, though Germans were the largest ethnic group in Montana, it was also illegal to speak German, and books written in it were banned. Local groups called third-degree committees were formed to ferret out people not supportive of the war, especially those who did not buy Liberty Bonds.

"They leaned on people to ante up and buy bonds, and if they didn't, they were disloyal and considered pro-German," Mr. Work said.

Farida Briner said she was told that a committee showed up at her father's farm. "They threatened to hang him and tar and feather him," Ms. Briner said. Her father, Herman Bausch, was taken to town, interrogated and later convicted. He spent two years in prison.

Officials encouraged neighbor to inform on neighbor, and one person's accusation was often enough for an arrest.

Mr. Milch's great-grandfather, John Milch, was turned in by an undercover agent named Eberhard Von Waldru, who was working for the prosecutor in Helena, the state capital. Mr. Von Waldru went into a German beer hall and drew out people's feelings on the war. His testimony was used against Mr. Milch; his brother, Joseph; and six other men. All were convicted, and four went to prison.

John Milch was sentenced to three to six years, but the law had expired by the time he was to begin serving his term. Joseph was fined $1,800.

Many of those charged with sedition were immigrant laborers.

But blame should also be laid at the feet of Governor Stewart, Mr. Work said.

"In the last 100 days of his term, he commuted 50 sentences, including 13 murderers and 7 rapists," he said, "but not a single seditionist."

Well at least the federal...

n 1918, after her comments following a speech in Kansas City were incorrectly reported, [Rose] Pastor Stokes wrote a letter to the editor of the Kansas City Star in which she criticized US involvement in World War I. She accused the US government of being allied with profiteers. Controversy over the letter led to a federal indictment for violating the Espionage Act of 1917

Stokes was sentenced to 10 years in Missouri State prison

Almost immediately after his firing, a federal grand jury in Brattleboro began investigating Waldron for alleged anti-war activities. On Dec. 21, the grand jury indicted him for violating the Espionage Act that Congress had passed in June, just two months after the United States had entered the war.

Based on the grand jury testimony of some parishioners, Waldron was charged with violating the act. They accused him of making unpatriotic statements in church and in private, and of trying to dissuade young men from enlisting. He had allegedly told men in a Bible class that a Christian would not fight in a war, and distributed a pamphlet that reiterated the argument. Furthermore, he had once been heard to say "to hell with patriotism."

When he took the stand, Waldron acknowledged that he believed that Christians should not fight wars. The Ten Commandments forbade killing, he explained. Ironically, he had distributed the pamphlet in hopes of calming tensions after the church-step controversy.

On the stand, he also admitted making the comment about patriotism, but explained that he had made it before the United States entered the fighting. And the comment had been about the extreme German nationalism that had sparked the war. "If this is patriotism," he had said, "to hell with patriotism."

The jury, perhaps perceiving that a community religious dispute was a part of Waldron's troubles, failed to reach a verdict. At a second trial, at which the judge barred any testimony related to the religious dispute, the jury convicted Waldron. The judge sentenced him to 15 years in prison.

Advised by lawyers that an appeal was hopeless, Waldron entered prison on April 1, 1918.

Thirty German-Americans in South Dakota were arrested for sending a petition to the Governor demanding reforms in the selective service procedure. The signers of the petition "threatened" to vote the Governor out of office if he did not meet their demands. The government charged that the defendants had willfully obstructed the recruiting and enlistment service.

Well god dammit, Wilson always wins these damned things.

 

[RastaMentality]

Benji! The belief that Nixon won the debate against Kennedy with radio listeners is a myth right?

 

[shinra-bansho]

So we can FOIA Anthony's Weiner.

 

[benjipwns]

Benji! The belief that Nixon won the debate against Kennedy with radio listeners is a myth right?

There is no strong contemporary evidence to support it. It's something that started appearing years later. But if the impact was that huge you'd think somebody in 1960 might have mentioned it.

It makes a great tale though.

Nixon was in bad shape for the debate though and he refused makeup because he didn't understand how television worked. He also just got out of the hospital for he injured his knee and it got infected.

Following the first debate he got himself more in shape and wore makeup and did lighting tests, made sure he was shaven, etc.

The interesting thing for me about the 1960 debates is that one of them was like two hours long and about a single topic, some obscure Japanese islands or something, let me wiki it.

EDIT: Was the third debate:

The third debate is notable because it brought about a change in the debate process. This debate was a monumental step for television. For the first time ever split screen technology was used to bring two people from opposite sides of the country together so they were able to converse in real time. Nixon was in Los Angeles while Kennedy was in New York. The men appear to be in the same room, thanks to identical sets. Both candidates had monitors in their respective studios containing the feed from the opposite studio so they could respond to questions. Bill Shadel moderated the debate from a third television studio in Chicago. The main topic of this debate was whether military force should be used to prevent Quemoy and Matsu, two island archipelagos off the Chinese coast, from falling under Communist control.

Trump should have demanded they do the debates like this, Hillary from a prison cell and him from his gold plated bathroom in Trump Tower.

 

[Tranqueris]

“As a private citizen I would hope journalists would respect that privacy,” he added.

Oh Colin Powell..

 

[User 463088]

Trumps ahead by 4.7 in the USC poll.

He's gone from 2.7% of the African American vote two days ago to 17% today.

lololol

 

[benjipwns]

Okay, this one is hard to top:

Robert Goldstein was convicted for producing a motion picture about the American Revolution. "The Spirit of '76" depicted Paul Revere's ride, the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and Washington at Valley Forge. But it also included a scene portraying the Wyoming Valley Massacre, in which British soldiers were depicted bayoneting women and children. The government charged that this was an attempt to promote insubordination because of its negative portrayal of our ally in the war against Germany. In upholding the seizure of the film, the trial judge explained, "History is history, and fact is fact. There is no doubt about that." But, he added, "this is no time" for "those things that may have the tendency... of creating animosity or want of confidence between us and our allies." Goldstein was sentenced to ten years in prison.

The head of Chicago's police censorship board, Metallus Lucullus Cicero Funkhouser, confiscated the film at the behest of the Justice department on grounds that it generated hostility toward Britain. Goldstein trimmed the offending scenes and received federal approval to continue the Chicago run; but the film premiered in Los Angeles a few months later with the deleted scenes restored. After an investigation, the government concluded that Goldstein's action constituted "aiding and abetting the German enemy", and seized the film once again.

Goldstein was charged in federal court with violating the Espionage Act. At trial, the U.S. prosecutor argued that as the war effort demanded total Allied support, Goldstein's film was seditious on its face. Goldstein was convicted on charges of attempted incitement to riot and to cause insubordination, disloyalty, and mutiny by U.S. soldiers then in uniform as well as prospective recruits, and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Implications were made throughout the trial that Goldstein was a German spy, although no evidence was presented in support of that accusation.[4] The judgment was later upheld by an appellate court. Goldstein's attorneys were unable to argue for protection under the First Amendment because the Supreme Court had ruled in 1915 that movies lacked such protection.

that name has to be fake, seriously, that's too good to be true

these are decent:

One of the more extreme of the Espionage Act prosecutions was that of Walter Matthew of Iowa, who according to [the] Attorney General ... was sentence to a year in prison for ... "listening to an address in which disloyal utterances were made, applauding some of the statements made by the speaker ... and contributing 25 cents"

One publication, the Freeman's Journal and Catholic Register, was “suppressed for reprinting Thomas Jefferson's views that Ireland should be an independent republic."

 

[Oblivion]

Did anyone post the Olbermann's video yet? I searched but couldn't find it.

176 Shocking Things Donald Trump Has Done This Election | The Closer with Keith Olbermann | GQ

Cuz holy shit.

Man, I missed him.

GQ's a step up from Current T.V., I guess (8 times more youtube subscribers, 6 times more than MSNBC and more than twice that of Fox News). Hope he does this stuff on a consistent basis.

 

[benjipwns]

This is only semi-related but since I went down the rabbit hole and it's too funny:

Samuel Dickstein was elected as a Democrat to the Sixty-eighth Congress, defeating Socialist incumbent Meyer London. He was reelected eleven times. He resigned from Congress on December 30, 1945. He served as Chairman on the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization (Seventy-second through Seventy-ninth Congresses).

on January 3, 1934, the opening day of the second session of the 73rd Congress, he introduced a resolution calling for the formation of a special committee to probe un-American activities in the United States. The "Dickstein Resolution" (H.R. #198) was passed in March 1934, with John William McCormack named Chairman and Dickstein named Vice-Chairman

Dickstein, who proclaimed as his aim the eradication of all traces of Nazism in the U.S.,[7] personally questioned each witness. His flair for dramatics and sensationalism, along with his sometimes exaggerated claims, continually captured headlines across the nation and won him much public recognition

He was instrumental in establishing the temporary Select Committee on Un-American Activities (the 'Dies Committee') with Martin Dies, Jr. as chairman, in 1938 to investigate fascist and Communist groups in the United States.

Later the same committee was renamed the House Committee on Un-American Activities when it shifted attention to Communist organizations and was made a standing committee in 1945.

And here's where it gets exciting.

an Austrian working for the Soviets approached him and asked for help in securing American citizenship. Dickstein told the man that the quota for Austrian immigrants was filled but for $3,000 he would see what he could do. Dickstein said he had "settled dozens" in a similarly illegal fashion, according to the NKVD memo on the meeting. Moscow concluded that Dickstein was "heading a criminal gang that was involved in shady businesses, selling passports, illegal smuggling of people, [and] getting citizenship."

"Dickstein ran a lucrative trade in illegal visas for Soviet operatives before brashly offering to spy for the NKVD, the KGB's precursor, in return for cash."

documents discovered in the 1990s in Moscow archives showed Dickstein was paid $1,250 a month from 1937 to early 1940 by the NKVD (equivalent to $20,600 in 2015), the Soviet spy agency, which hoped to get secret Congressional information on anti-Communist and pro-fascist forces

Dickstein denounced the Dies Committee at NKVD request ("a Red-baiting excursion") and gave speeches in Congress on Moscow-dictated themes. He handed over "materials on the war budget for 1940, records of conferences of the budget subcommission, reports of the war minister, chief of staff, etc.", according to an NKVD report.

Kurt Stone wrote that Dickstein "was, for many years, a 'devoted and reliable' Soviet agent whom his handlers nicknamed 'Crook'".

Politico article from a couple years ago: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...tein-congressman-russian-spy-111641_full.html

By early 1937, Dickstein had spent two years trying to whip up support for a more expansive un-American activities committee when he came up with a novel tactic—he put a precise figure on the extent of Nazi infiltration of the United States. “I will name you 100 spies who have entered this country from a friendly government for the purpose of furthering the progress of this propaganda,” he said. He claimed they were led by Fritz Kuhn, the proud Hitlerite who had assumed control of the Friends of the New Germany and renamed it the German American Bund without Berlin’s guidance. Kuhn countered, “Dickstein, not I, is one of the country’s biggest enemies. I think he is a spy for Soviet Russia.” He wasn’t. At least not yet.

But the money disputes continued. Dickstein admitted to the Soviets that he had formerly worked for Polish and British intelligence—another stunning revelation—both of which, he said, “paid money without any questions.” Finally, in February 1940, the NKVD decided to cut him loose because he “can’t be a useful organizer who could gather around him a group of liberal congressman to exercise our influence and, alone, he doesn’t represent any interest.” According to Weinstein and Vassiliev, Dickstein had earned a total of $12,000 during his time on the Soviet payroll, about $200,000 when adjusted for inflation.

An unusually shameless publicity hound in a legislative body full of them, Dickstein had a habit of inviting his antagonists to step outside and settle matters like men, once announcing such a fistic challenge to Rep. Thomas L. Blanton of Texas on the House floor. (Blanton appears to have declined.)

Dickstein was never mentioned during the Red Scare years of the early 1950s, when Joe McCarthy made headlines with his famous declaration that he possessed a list of Communists working in the State Department (“I have in my hand”) that variously included 205, 57, 81 and 4 names.

the balls on this guy

 

[RastaMentality]

If there's any serious concern about minority turnout come Election Day, all a PAC (because the hrc campaign could literally never) has to do is somehow run the best cut ad of the year during breaks for the Haves and Have Nots in majority black areas - https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/

It still shakes me every time I see it.

 

[sc0la]

Yeah, but why hasn't Hillary...

aw, forget it, i'm bored of it too

The fuck is this shit?

*reboots benji*

Edit: just googled this. Seems benjiOS 10 updates are bricking a small number of units

 

[benjipwns]

Sorry, I binged on that amazing HUGH MONGUS lady and all her beautifulness. Also I got into reading those dickmoves with Sedition Acts. I'll have to refuel with some comments somewhere. Get some Gateway Pundit or Breitbart in me maybe.

 

[sc0la]

Sorry, I binged on that amazing HUGH MONGUS lady and all her beautifulness. Also I got into reading those dickmoves with Sedition Acts. I'll have to refuel with some comments somewhere. Get some Gateway Pundit or Breitbart in me maybe.

It's alright bro. We all get overheated / dehydrated now and then. I am still voting for you in November

 

[benjipwns]

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...ary-clinton-featured-new-issue-womens-health/

Awkward Timing: Hillary Clinton Featured In New Issue Of ‘Women’s Health’

Before her collapse and health scare in New York City, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was interviewed for the latest issue of Women’s Health magazine.

...

When asked about the biggest obstacle she faced during her campaign, Clinton said it was the new media culture.

“In the heat of a campaign, in a culture that rewards brevity and clever phrases on social media, it can be really tempting to give simple answers to complex problems,” she said. “That’s never been my style.”

She asserted that she was “a little wonky” but believed in discussing specifics in her proposals.

Ellen Bell Facts_Only • 13 hours ago
The lenses Clinton was wearing are Zeiss Z1 blue lenses for those whose seizures are triggered by visual stimuli of one sort or another (for example, like sunlight glancing off of the 9/11 memorial pond under a breeze). The lenses are for all photo-sensitive seizure disorders--not just epilepsy. There was a doctor on Info Wars yesterday who is convinced Clinton has a brain tumor and possibly even a lung tumor. Almost all brain tumor patients have at least one or more seizures during the course of their illnesses. He seems to be pretty well connected to the Dems as he was defensive of them even while being very critical of the Clintons. He was pushing hard for Hillary to drop out and for the election to be postponed while the Dems select another nominee. He suggested the brain surgery that Clinton had in 2012 was an attempt to remove the tumor. Here's an article that explains seizures in brain tumor patients. http://www.abta.org/brain-tumo...

It does fit very well with what is known and what has been observed. Clinton does seem to have declined very rapidly for Parkinson's. Metastatic cancer would explain the observed lesion on Clinton's tongue and the later hole where it had been removed.

zlooze Layla Menandez • 7 hours ago
What was the white thing that came out of her pant leg? Leg brace? Catheter? Colostomy bag?

Lyn Portello KJinAZ • 13 hours ago
like the metal clip/fastener to her colostomy bag hit the ground..see 9/11 video...you can hear & see it drop out of her pantsleg..pretty impressive, Killary!!!!!!!

Deplorable BGko • 16 hours ago
What "specifics" has Hillary given on anything? All I've heard is her calling everyone "racist, sexist, xenophobic, bigots."

swan007 • 17 hours ago
She looks healthy enough to push up Daisies.

Trump 2016 by an easy landslide.

Doc T • 18 hours ago
The young simpletons reading this slop are already voting for this hag with their veejays.

If Hillary ate fetus parts for breakfast, it wouldn't change their vote.

ladychurchillusa • 15 hours ago
Now they are calling for Trump's medical records. He is just finishing up giving a speech in Iowa and is going to Philly tonight to introduce his new child care proposal. Yes I want to see his medical records. I want to know how the hell he is doing it. The man never stops. He is an energizer bunny. I get exhausted just looking at his schedule.

fht4USA • 16 hours ago
Ha, ha, ha.... white teeth and no eyebags and minimal wrinkles.... this photo was NOT airbrushed/photo-shopped.....<sarc>

AltNationalist • 17 hours ago
IF she would quit lying and covering up truths, then she could quit boning herself with this pathetic level of irony.

Trump's stone cold truth and telling it "like it is", is paying dividends. Hillary's constant obfuscation is having a compounding effect.

26cx AltNationalist • 17 hours ago
If Hillary quit lying and covering up truths, she wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected president.

Alan • 18 hours ago
HIllary "wonky"??? Are you kidding? Hillary is an idiot, a lying dyed in the wool radical left wing ideologue. She is not smart!

justmewhoelse12 LEEPERMAX • 17 hours ago
Stop using google people. Google is corrupt and in bed with Hillary.

HANG 'EM HIGH! Slwsnowman40 • 14 hours ago
Bing is as Zuckerbergish and Gestapo as you get. They filter their searches for conservative commentary like crazy

Nah, not feeling it.

I am feeling this one though:

DanC • 18 hours ago
She's also front page on Pickle Jar Openers Monthly

Wait, and this one:

Flatt and Scruggs • 15 hours ago
In that issue she talks about how she loves pizza...her favorite is "Little Seizures"

You really gotta dig down through all the shit upvoted to find these gems:

Expat2016 • 15 hours ago
Comrade Hillary is the healthiest woman in the world, she strong like bull smart like tractor.

John • 18 hours ago
doooooooooooooooooooah!!!

Hillary for PRISON 2016!!

NAILED IT

 

[nature boy]

Let the bed wetting begin:

#Ohio GE:
Trump 44%
Clinton 39%
Johnson 10%
Stein 3%

Head-To-Head:
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

Bloomberg/Selzer 9/9-12

#Ohio Senate - GE:
Portman (R) 53%
Strickland (D) 36%

Bloomberg/Selzer 9/9-12

Trump Has 5-Point Lead in Bloomberg Poll of Battleground Ohio

 

[Mac_Lane]

Let the bed wetting begin:



Trump Has 5-Point Lead in Bloomberg Poll of Battleground Ohio

Trump at 48% ?! the hell...

Anyway, she doesn't even need Ohio to get to 270.

 

[AniHawk]

If there's any serious concern about minority turnout come Election Day, all a PAC (because the hrc campaign could literally never) has to do is somehow run the best cut ad of the year during breaks for the Haves and Have Nots in majority black areas - https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/

It still shakes me every time I see it.

holy shit

 

[AniHawk]

Trump at 48% ?! the hell...

Anyway, she doesn't even need Ohio to get to 270.

maybe not, but issues in ohio could be symptomatic of other issues she might face in other close states.

i think that nevada and new hampshire are blue states though. nevada because of its hispanic population and new hampshire because... well, i just tend to think of it as a blue state.

 

[BrokenIcarus]

If there's any serious concern about minority turnout come Election Day, all a PAC (because the hrc campaign could literally never) has to do is somehow run the best cut ad of the year during breaks for the Haves and Have Nots in majority black areas - https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/

It still shakes me every time I see it.

Fuck, that's powerful.

How do I create a PAC?

 

[thefro]

Let the bed wetting begin:



Trump Has 5-Point Lead in Bloomberg Poll of Battleground Ohio

Here's the key

&#8220;Our party breakdown differs from other polls, but resembles what happened in Ohio in 2004,&#8221; said pollster J. Ann Selzer, whose Iowa-based firm Selzer & Co. oversaw the survey. &#8220;It is very difficult to say today who will and who will not show up to vote on Election Day. Our poll suggests more Republicans than Democrats would do that in an Ohio election held today, as they did in 2004 when George W. Bush carried the state by a narrow margin. In 2012, more Democrats showed up.&#8221;

A higher proportion of men and older voters&#8212;groups that tilt Republican&#8212;passed the survey's likely-voter screen than typical in past election cycles, Selzer said, boosting Trump's numbers.

You can see the crosstabs here, but it's got a crazy Republican lean.

 

[nature boy]

Trump at 48% ?! the hell...

Anyway, she doesn't even need Ohio to get to 270.

Polls has its issues, last Ohio poll has Clinton +7.

Here's the key

Yes, their LV screening looks a bit off.

 

[Mac_Lane]

Polls has its issues, last Ohio poll has Clinton +7.

Wow, that would be a 12-point swing then...

 

[AniHawk]

Here's the key

they're going to assume what happened 12 years ago works now? i mean it could happen, unless time is linear.

 

[Diablos]

Let the bed wetting begin:



Trump Has 5-Point Lead in Bloomberg Poll of Battleground Ohio

Fuck.

Looks like depressed turnout for Hillary is a legit possibility.

 

[Y2Kev]

We need more data on Johnson voters!!!

 

[Diablos]

We need more data on Johnson voters!!!

Do we though? She's still way behind in H2H

 

[User 463088]

Ya....no. That's not going to happen. Like, if the electorate DID look like that? Yes. Trump would win. This electorate is way more male, way more white, way more Republican, and a lot older than in 2008 or 2012.

Also, while Portman is ahead, it's not by almost 20 points.

 

[thefro]

Polls has its issues, last Ohio poll has Clinton +7.



Yes, their LV screening looks a bit off.

43% Republican (+leaners), 36% Democrat (+leaners)

Also 55% of the electorate is 50+

 

[Diablos]

43% Republican (+leaners), 36% Democrat (+leaners)

Also 55% of the electorate is 50+

If you read above I think they're advising that they gave it a Republican lean because they must have some kind of sense that there's possibly a lack of enthusiasm on the Democraric side.

 

[User 463088]

If you read above I think they're advising that they gave it a Republican lean because they must have some kind of sense that there's possibly a lack of enthusiasm on the Democraric side.

I didn't really get that read. Enthusiasm isn't the only thing that goes into a likely voter screen.

This electorate is more male than any Ohio electorate that I can find ever (including 2004). It's more white. It's a hell of a lot older too. There's just no way that's what Ohio will look like in November.

 

[newshinycd]

Here's the key

I'm guessing they did a landline only poll? Nate Silver has praised Selzer earlier this year, but that was more for her polling work in Iowa.
But I can't foresee Ohio going to Trump considering Kasich hates him.

 

[thefro]

I think any poll switching over to LV model (particularly in Sept) ought to release their numbers with RVs as well. Odd that Selzer doesn't include those at all or their questions for the likely voter screen.

 

[Diablos]

I didn't really get that read. Enthusiasm isn't the only thing that goes into a likely voter screen.

This electorate is more male than any Ohio electorate that I can find ever (including 2004). It's more white. It's a hell of a lot older too. There's just no way that's what Ohio will look like in November.

Perhaps but the quote above is pretty clear, they are counting on a more conservative electorate showing up. To your point the poll has its flaws but they seem to be admitting that it's hard to see where things will land right now.

 

[User 463088]

I'm guessing they did a landline only poll? Nate Silver has praised Selzer earlier this year, but that was more for her polling work in Iowa.
But I can't foresee Ohio going to Trump considering Kasich hates him.

No, it's not landline only. It looks just like a very pro-GOP sample. There are a lot of reasons for that. I'm not sure what their LV screen was. Some more strict screens require that you voted in the last midterm and Presidential. I cannot imagine a situation in which AA and women turnout is down from 2004(!) which this electorate would require

 

[Plinko]

Here's the key



You can see the crosstabs here, but it's got a crazy Republican lean.

Same voting groups as 12 years ago?

OK.

Those crosstabs are crazy. Look how biased those questions about Trump's/Hillary's controversies are based on wording.

Oh well. Hillary doesn't need Ohio or Florida. Lock up NH.

 

[Diablos]

Even if this poll is bullshit it feeds into the horse race media narrative. So it's just something we don't want.

 

[Boke1879]

Even if this poll is bullshit it feeds into the horse race media narrative. So it's just something we don't want.

Fam. The horse race narrative was always there.

 

[Diablos]

Fam. The horse race narrative was always there.

Yes. But this intensifies it and gives more credibility to his campaign to be able to compete

 

[newshinycd]

No, it's not landline only. It looks just like a very pro-GOP sample. There are a lot of reasons for that. I'm not sure what their LV screen was. Some more strict screens require that you voted in the last midterm and Presidential. I cannot imagine a situation in which AA and women turnout is down from 2004(!) which this electorate would require

Yep, just looked at the crosstabs. I'm going with LV screening was too strict. That is, unless Ohio suddenly collapsed into a wormhole sending it back to 2004.

 

[User 463088]

Yep, just looked at the crosstabs. I'm going with LV screening was too strict. That is, unless Ohio suddenly collapsed into a wormhole sending it back to 2004.

You spelled hellhole wrong.

I'm from Ohio. We can say that. At least we're not Michigan, though.

 

[AniHawk]

Same voting groups as 12 years ago?

OK.

Those crosstabs are crazy. Look how biased those questions about Trump's/Hillary's controversies are based on wording.

Oh well. Hillary doesn't need Ohio or Florida. Lock up NH.

crazy favorables to pence and trump over kaine and clinton too. this poll is pretty nuts.

 

[AniHawk]

You spelled hellhole wrong.

I'm from Ohio. We can say that. At least we're not Michigan, though.

does ohio just have beef with michigan for some reason? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

 

[User 463088]

does ohio just have beef with michigan for some reason? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

Yes. We fought a war over Toledo. Which is the one and only time anyone in the universe gave a shit about Toledo. And now, we passive aggressively hate each other through football. But, it's specific. Ohio State vs. Michigan. We don't mind Michigan State that much. Woody Hayes, Ohio State's most prolific coach, refused to allow our football players to drink water from Michigan. We refer to them as "That State Up North." I'm making none of this up. It's all we have.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yes. We fought a war over Toledo. Which is the one and only time anyone in the universe gave a shit about Toledo. And now, we passive aggressively hate each other through football. But, it's specific. Ohio State vs. Michigan. We don't mind Michigan State that much. Woody Hayes, Ohio State's most prolific coach, refused to allow our football players to drink water from Michigan. We refer to them as "That State Up North." I'm making none of this up. It's all we have.

"We"?

Miami University alum, fam. (Or do you hate us too? XD)

 

[Y2Kev]

Honestly I'd be ok if the midwest like got eaten by a bear. I know someone who says words like "staff" like "stayayf" and it's like what is wrong with your mouth