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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll
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StopMakingSense
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4% is puling ahead in GA?
Aaron Strife
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Spoiled Milk
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This characterization is a little mean but still hilarious.
Lol my thoughts exactly.
Joe Shlabotnik
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"Best" part of that gas chambers comment is that "warm up the gas chambers" means he clearly got ovens and gas chambers mixed up in his head--but hey what Nazi hasn't?
balladofwindfishes
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This seems strangely out of line with the rest of today's polling. This isn't really good for Trump.
Between this and the Texas poll, this is a really strange couple days for figuring out what the heck is going on.
Jill who?
nature boy
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They were tied in their previous poll, so that's their context of "pulling ahead".
NYCmetsfan
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100% its this
TheLaughingStock
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I think this could be another overreaction to polls as unfavorables for both candidates continue to be sky high and 3rd party candidates don't fade. Alternatively, it would be nice if we were finally seeing the consequences and trade offs associated with supporting Democrats like Hillary Clinton. The American people on the left are getting a raw deal.
Go away.
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balladofwindfishes
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I'm still incredibly bitter towards Bernie and would not vote for him as a senator if I lived in Vermont because I'm that petty. He did real damage to Hillary with useless "scandals" like speeches and stuff and disillusioned young voters to the point where they're just sitting out this election.
IggyChooChoo
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Well put. Whenever I wonder whether I should get scared, I weigh whether I'd rather switch our position with Trump's. Until that answer is yes, I'm not gonna worry.
NYCmetsfan
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I mean I think we need more republicans and even trump supporters in this thread to discuss (I kinda hate when it becomes cheerleading as its boring)
but this post has nothing to respond to. Its vague and says nothing.
Black Mamba
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The media stuff is really annoying so I'm gonna try to take a break from paying attention to cable news and the like for a bit.
Iowa was always the most likely state Obama won that Hillary could lose. She could pick up NC and lose Iowa.
Democrat enthusiasm comes back stronger after the 1st debate, IMO. I'm not at all worried about Hillary winning. I am a bit worried about the prospects for the Senate, though, cuz the enthusiasm needs to be higher in those states.
Iowa was always the most likely state Obama won that Hillary could lose. She could pick up NC and lose Iowa.
Democrat enthusiasm comes back stronger after the 1st debate, IMO. I'm not at all worried about Hillary winning. I am a bit worried about the prospects for the Senate, though, cuz the enthusiasm needs to be higher in those states.
DontBeThatGuy
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The Young Turks helped brainwash quite a few of them as well.
Jimmy Dore being the ringleader. Dude is absolutely nuts.
Spoiled Milk
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Do you guys remember when Hillary Clinton won California and Cenk was so distraught he was sweating on camera
NYCmetsfan
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no. nobody watches the young turks. Just went to their youtube
Look at their top videos like none are political
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p (there's a graphic image in the top row)
No I have a life and don't watch trash
So you're saying that people should stop considering nominating a woman for a political position....this is what you're saying right?
I agree. It was absolutely damaging that Bernie used decades worth of Republican smears to attack Hillary from the left. It legitimized those smears and set the "corrupt" narrative among her own base.
Even Dan "Don't wet the bed" Pfifer thinks so.
Nazgul_Hunter
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I don't think it's 100% but anyone who thinks the Democratic primary went on for so long because "Hillary couldn't put a socialist away" is lying to themselves.
If Bernie had been a Democrat he would've dropped out on March 16. EVERYTHING after that was a net negative for the Democratic party's chances on Nov. 8. Bernie wasn't gonna win after that and his campaign got uglier after that.
TheLaughingStock
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There are consequences for Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton in the primary and now we may be seeing it play out in a match up vs. Donald. At the moment, it's tough to say because we need time to see trends instead of freaking out over a new batch of polls.
Spoiled Milk
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Neither do I, but I wanted to see the salt
DontBeThatGuy
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They got plenty of play during the primaries, including on here, negatively or positively, it doesn't really matter.
And_Gignac
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Remember that time when there was empirical evidence that Bernie was better positioned than Clinton to defeat Trump? Good days.
If you gonna pretend Bernie is at fault for saying what everyone else was thinking about Clinton, then you have a displaced blaming game. Most people don't make an effort to rationalize away all of Hillary's criticisms, and it seems the polls agree!
If you gonna pretend Bernie is at fault for saying what everyone else was thinking about Clinton, then you have a displaced blaming game. Most people don't make an effort to rationalize away all of Hillary's criticisms, and it seems the polls agree!
balladofwindfishes
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There was no reason for Bernie to make such a huge deal about her speeches. That did potentially permanent damage to her trustworthiness for no reason at all. They're meaningless. They went away completely the minute she won the nomination. And yet the seeds of mistrust are still festering.
shadowsdarknes
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It's unfortunate that the Bernie or Bust crowd has managed to stay strong.
Many pundits kept comparing this to the Democratic 08 primary, but I knew it was different.
At least he didn't exploit the e-mails.
But he also just repeated the same line over and over that Trump also says, "I don't support destabilizing the Middle East by overthrowing dictators".
Many pundits kept comparing this to the Democratic 08 primary, but I knew it was different.
At least he didn't exploit the e-mails.
But he also just repeated the same line over and over that Trump also says, "I don't support destabilizing the Middle East by overthrowing dictators".
Coriolanus
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Man, they had the best nfos, bar none.
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Sanders, by and large, didn't attack Clinton for anything that any other well-placed Democratic challenger wouldn't have. We know this because Martin O'Malley used almost all the same lines of attack and complained about all the same speeches and so on that Sanders did (although admittedly nobody noticed because it was O'Malley). Unless you wanted a literal coronation where nobody ran against Clinton (and the DNC tried quite hard to arrange that), you can't seriously be blaming Clinton having gone through a primary for her having such poor enthusiasm figures. In fact, even stating that argument is unhelpful, because the more you attack Sanders for doing what any Democratic challenger would have done (probably less, in fact), the more likely you are to irritate his former base, the very people we're worried about enthusing.
It might hurt, but you need to talk about how great Sanders was and what Clinton can take from such a strong and principled challenger going forward. Don't make the same mistakes as Owen Smith where you end up attacking all the people you need to vote for you.
It might hurt, but you need to talk about how great Sanders was and what Clinton can take from such a strong and principled challenger going forward. Don't make the same mistakes as Owen Smith where you end up attacking all the people you need to vote for you.
Spoiled Milk
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Shhhhhhhh, shhhhhhhh... Melkr-underscore is on our side.
If you guys need help calming down here is a video of Bill Clinton in 1991 saying he wanted to Make America Great Again.
If you guys need help calming down here is a video of Bill Clinton in 1991 saying he wanted to Make America Great Again.
She the second most disliked presidential nominee in history.
But... I was called 'Chicken Little' by a moderator on this forum for pointing this out.
But on topic, what happened to the polls that suggest most Bernie supporters moved their support to Clinton? I thought that was well-established?
On the plus side, the media is going at Trump's throat right now from all sides.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-pastor-trump-reboot-again-goes-rails-n648881
That's a strong lede.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-pastor-trump-reboot-again-goes-rails-n648881
That's a strong lede.
If Clinton was a good candidate none of what happened in the primary would have mattered. You know similarly to 2008, when a heated primary wasn't an issue for Obama in the GE.
And_Gignac
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They haven't. Most embraced Hillary (see Jill diminishing polling numbers). But independents (whites mostly) always were most likely to be inclined for Trump in the absence of Bernie, and as such Clinton was more vulnerable to lose them if she made any gaffe. The daily tracking of LA Times has Trump at +6. This shit shouldn't be happening.
balladofwindfishes
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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I like how no one has any idea who Gary Johnson is and he has received zero seconds of media coverage other than "I have no idea what Syria is" and he's still at 10%.
It's the most legendary campaign possible. He's getting Communists to vote for him even though he hates social security and income taxes and even though no one has ever heard him speak.
It's the most legendary campaign possible. He's getting Communists to vote for him even though he hates social security and income taxes and even though no one has ever heard him speak.
Hillary is highly intelligent, highly qualified, and has a liberal agenda. Are you making the same type of argument certain individuals made when the first black man was nominated as a reason why we shouldn't of nominated her? I personally do not want to be the sort of person the disqualify someone because of sex or color or gender identity or orientation for that matter from running for office because of things that are outside of that individuals controls and are purely the biases of others. I certainly hope you aren't making the argument that we should run away from these biases and not nominate certain individuals due to them.
To be fair, his support should plummet once the debates take place, and odds are he isn't going to get the support he's getting in polls right now once election day rolls around.
Are you reading something I'm not? I don't see that argument being made at all.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Martin O'Malley would probably be up by 6-8 points.
Too bad about his horrible policies for black people in Baltimore.
Too bad about his horrible policies for black people in Baltimore.
nature boy
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Keepin it 1600 got Plouffe!
But Obama never resorted to attacking her in this way. Sure, he led for most the primary and didn't really need to, but that wasn't always the case.
From what I remember, Obama hit Hillary on judgement, not representing needed change, and occasionally her likability. Sanders entered the race slandering Hillary as fundamentally corrupt. O'Malley joined in as he got desperate for attention, but never as full-throated as Sanders.
balladofwindfishes
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Not just that Hillary was corrupt, but that the entire Democrat party, top to bottom, was corrupt and could not be trusted. That was going way out of line.
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