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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll

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RastaMentality

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If Trump says Nieto said Mexico would agree to pay for the wall in the meeting, Nieto's numbers will plummet even more. Nieto has nothing to gain from this meeting besides attacking trump after.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Thatcher's part of the chart here...

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Going up means inequality is getting more extreme, going right means that the poor are getting better off (which can happen with or without inequality increasing or decreasing).

Thatcher's part of the chart is a straight line upwards.
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This really just proves once unions are gone its next to impossible to put a real dent in income inequality.

Those are pretty much the only way unless you have massive wealth transfers which you're not getting
 
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In fact, Obama is the first president since polls were invented to have never gone above 25 percent approval with the opposing party, and I’m pretty sure Hillary Clinton would be the second.

So she would start with this baseline level of polarization. Add to that the fact that unless Earth gets attacked by aliens (and maybe not even then), there will never be a truly bipartisan moment in Washington during Clinton’s presidency. Never — not for a week, not for a day, not for a second. There may be times when Republicans agree with the Clinton administration on a particular bill because their interests align (such things do sometimes happen), but even at those times Republicans aren’t going to be grasping Clinton’s hand in mutual joy and triumph. They’ll always have an incentive to portray it as either (1) We rolled her, and forced her to do what we wanted, or (2) We hate agreeing with her, but in this case we had to do it, as distasteful as it might be.



That’s because Republicans will have to show their own constituencies that they’re fighting Clinton tooth and nail every day, as part of a self-reinforcing cycle: the members of Congress send the message to their constituents that the president is evil, and the constituents demand that their representatives oppose the president without any hint of compromise.

Among the many things this campaign has accomplished is to solidify a Republican narrative that they will continually reinforce about her if she’s president. It says that she’s venal, dishonest, rotten to the core, and literally nothing she does is for anything but the worst reasons. Presuming they hold on to at least one house of Congress (or lose them and then get them back in 2018), there will be constant investigations of the administration meant to prove just how corrupt she and those who work for her are. The attacks will be unceasing, because they know that keeping her mired in scandal (even if the scandals are invented) is the best way to hamstring her, keep her administration from achieving policy objectives they disagree with, and increase the likelihood of future Republican victories.

So if Clinton does a terrific job as president, she might manage to get her approval all the way up to 50 percent or so, which would be made up of almost all Democrats, a majority of independents, and a handful of Republicans. But it probably won’t ever go much higher than that.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-matter-what-she-does/?utm_term=.dd2070c8413f
 
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whyamihere

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Black Mamba said:
I read this as completely the opposite. It's a bad sign for Trump, not Hillary.

Trump appears to have a real ceiling. Hillary's numbers seem to be afftected by other things.

The way I see it is Hilary is up around 5-7 points, but when Trump does something really stupid (like argue with the Khans) and the media is in full attack mode, his supporters (or at least soft supporters) are less likely participate in polls, similar to a convention bounce.

The real key is that more people than ever believe Hillary is going to defeat Trump and if that number keeps going up, that will lead to a blowout.
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That's sort of the way I was reading it too.
 
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Putin’s appointment of a Stalin-apologist ideologue as education minister is, for many intellectuals, the last straw.

A few months ago Babchenko was upset to see his daughter, a 3rd grader at a Moscow school, marching in a semi-military uniform and singing patriotic songs at a school event.

“We see examples of obscurantism all over the place: Communists running around with Stalin flags, Orthodox priests attending state events; but I still did not expect the appointment of an Orthodox fanatic and a Stalinist as the minister of education and science.”

During a recent visit to Crimea, President Putin named Olga Vasilyeva to the post. She seemed to be a deeply religious bureaucrat who devoted her academic research to the patriotic role of the Russian Orthodox Church in Soviet times.

Vasilyeva is also known for defending the record of Joseph Stalin, the Soviet dictator notorious for executing political dissidents, including hundreds of thousands of Orthodox believers. (According to an analysis by Prof. Nikolai Yemelyanov at the Russian Academy of Science, Soviet security agencies killed as many as 500,000 Orthodox Christians.)

Public concern first began to grow after the lecture Vasilyeva gave for Putin’s United Russia party members in 2013, when she insisted that Stalin was good for the USSR—that he united the nation before World War II. Russian and ethnically non-Russian citizens wanted to know what exactly it means for a child to grow up thinking mass murder by many means, including mass starvation, political purges and forced deportations are all worthwhile to “unify” a nation.

A Christian zealot, a Stalin supporter, and the minister of education in one package? Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper summed up the situation in a headline: “The New Minister of Education is a Symptom of Creeping Stalinization.”

So far the new minister of education has not made any comments about her attitude toward Stalin and how it would reflect on the reforms of Russian education, which Vasilyeva said she intended to pursue.
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Dubbedinenglish said:
There probably some campaign staffer going through this thread like " there's something wrong with these people"
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FADE IN:

INT. CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS - DAY

A busy office setting somewhere in America, viewed from above. Amidst a cyclone of activity, there is calm around which everything revolves. At this center is HILLARY CLINTON, an lifelong politician in the fight of her life. She is looking at her phone, oblivious to the chaos around her.

CRANE DOWN TO:

THE EYE OF THE STORM

Looking over Hillary's shoulder, DANIEL enters the frame hesitantly. It is obvious he bears bad news he does not wish to deliver.

DANIEL:
(Stuttering)
M-m-Madam Secretary?

A CAMPAIGN ADVISOR, Daniel Logan is in his late 30s but still an idealist. His tie hangs loosely around his neck and his shirt looks three days old. He is unshaven and weary, walking in a perpetual caffeinated haze.

HILLARY:
(without looking up, unperturbed)
Mr. Logan?

DANIEL:
Madam Secretary. It's (beat) It's NeoGAF, ma'am.

Hillary immediately lowers her phone and her head snaps up. Without seeing, we can feel her eyes lock onto Daniel. He has her full attention now.

HILLARY:
Tell me.

Daniel's stutter grows worse now that HER EYES are burning into him with laser-like precision.

DANIEL:
(stuttering)
They (beat). They are...

HILLARY:
(menacingly)
Tell. (beat) Me.

DANIEL:
They've... (beat, regains composure). They've gone full Diablos.

HILLARY:
(animal-like snarl, somewhere between a hissing gasp and a disgusted growl)

FADE OUT
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Speaking of the Intercept, there was a lot in-fighting among the far left with regards to Syria last weekend (with The Intercept doing a good bit of the in-fighting). If you want to read thousands of words about the arguments between Tankies and Socialists who realize that Russia is not a good country (and have actually lived in the Middle East), uhh, here you go.

https://sethfrantzman.com/2016/08/3...es-and-exposed-a-murderous-support-for-assad/

http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...r-syria-1081590395#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=
 
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mo60

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Black Mamba said:
I read this as completely the opposite. It's a bad sign for Trump, not Hillary.

Trump appears to have a real ceiling. Hillary's numbers seem to be afftected by other things.

The way I see it is Hilary is up around 5-7 points, but when Trump does something really stupid (like argue with the Khans) and the media is in full attack mode, his supporters (or at least soft supporters) are less likely participate in polls, similar to a convention bounce.

The real key is that more people than ever believe Hillary is going to defeat Trump and if that number keeps going up, that will lead to a blowout.
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I think the debates will be the deciding factor for a blowout win for hilary.

NeoXChaos said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-matter-what-she-does/?utm_term=.dd2070c8413f
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There's a limit to how long the republicans can be obstructionist. They are going to have to be nicer to the president eventually if they want to have a shot at winning any presidential elections in the future. If the democrats do eventually become competitive in midterms while they are still in the presidency the republicans chances of keeping either part of Congress will be lower which is not that good for them.
 
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omgomgomg, we're getting a press conference in Mexico! Serious theory-- Trump cut the guy a check for the photo op. That or the President of Mexico has actually been a Trump plant for years. Would never have figured any President could hate their own country this much.
Black Mamba said:
This is true.

Obama's approval rating, honestly, should be in the 60s somewhere. If he was white, I think that's where he'd be.
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Dierce

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aspiegamer said:
omgomgomg, we're getting a press conference in Mexico! Serious theory-- Trump cut the guy a check for the photo op. That or the President of Mexico has actually been a Trump plant for years. Would never have figured any President could hate their own country this much.
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This is what I think will happen: After meeting with the president of Mexico he will declare that they came to an understanding about immigration and that not everyone would be deported. Meanwhile Nieto will say the same thing except make it seem like he had some influence over orange turd changing his mind about the issue.

If that happens than it likely means that this was a collaborated effort between orange turd representatives and the Mexican president in order to create positive publicity for both sides. Of course the only one that gains anything from this is orange turd was going to backtrack on his immigration proposals either way and lie about everything.
 
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Bowdz said:
So in other news, Rubio did this stupid move:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/293928-rubio-challenges-murphy-to-six-debates

Why the fuck would Rubio challenge Murphy to any debates, let alone six, when his biggest advantage at this stage is his name recognition. Seriously, even if Rubio just wipes the floor with Murphy, six debates is insane and all they will do is help elevate Murphy's name recognition and help solidify his support amongst Democrats.
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Not to mention who doesn't say they'll stick with the job? Do you say during a job interview that you might quit at any time because you don't know what the future holds?
Ryuuroden said:
Neogaf whaaat? :D

(At GAF being the #5 referar to Clinton's website)
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This feels like one of those "Hot teens in [your IP town] want to meet you!" ads.
 
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Cybit

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Black Mamba said:
I read this as completely the opposite. It's a bad sign for Trump, not Hillary.

Trump appears to have a real ceiling. Hillary's numbers seem to be afftected by other things.

The way I see it is Hilary is up around 5-7 points, but when Trump does something really stupid (like argue with the Khans) and the media is in full attack mode, his supporters (or at least soft supporters) are less likely participate in polls, similar to a convention bounce.

The real key is that more people than ever believe Hillary is going to defeat Trump and if that number keeps going up, that will lead to a blowout.
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whyamihere said:
That's sort of the way I was reading it too.
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I clarified a bit earlier that my fear stems from the governing aspect of what that means rather than the electoral aspect. Barring something extremely unexpected happening; I think Clinton is pretty safe electorally speaking (basically, I see three things that could be bad - something super incriminating / TSI pops up in the e-mails, debates go catastrophically bad consistently, or wikileaks has something absolutely bonkers. None of these strike me as a high probability) - but I am worried about the governing aspect.

NeoXChaos said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-matter-what-she-does/?utm_term=.dd2070c8413f
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Aka - stuff like this. Mind you, it's not like Obama winning comfortably was terribly much better - but the general country may be more OK with the GOP doing this to HRC then Obama.

Captain Pants said:
This is what I've been trying to communicate to the Bernie or Busters that I know. Progress happens in the courts now.
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I wish more folks understood how insanely dangerous this is for the country as a whole.
 
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Hugh Hewitt is somehow offering an entirely different immigration policy than Trump, but somehow pretending it's really Trump's plan....because...........okay.
 
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Black Mamba

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Cybit said:
I clarified a bit earlier that my fear stems from the governing aspect of what that means rather than the electoral aspect. Barring something extremely unexpected happening; I think Clinton is pretty safe electorally speaking (basically, I see three things that could be bad - something super incriminating / TSI pops up in the e-mails, debates go catastrophically bad consistently, or wikileaks has something absolutely bonkers. None of these strike me as a high probability) - but I am worried about the governing aspect.
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If by governing you mean her victory will be seen as illigitimate?

Or do you mean the GOP won't work with her?

If it's the latter, I definitely agree but there's nothing we can do about it other than get people to vote in the House elections how they need to vote.

The GOP has simply become the "not going to allow governing to happen" party if they don't have control.
 
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Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 8h8 hours ago Washington, DC
3. Hillary Clinton may well be a weak candidate, but unpopularity alone isn't sufficient to make that case. (And she is unpopular.)

2. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 8h8 hours ago Washington, DC
Political weakness and strength don't exist in a vacuum, we can't gauge them like they're fighters. ("Rubio's power level is 9000!?!")

1.Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 8h8 hours ago Washington, DC
"Hillary Clinton is lucky to face Trump" never really tries to deal with the fact that Trump roundly beat all his primary competitors.

5. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7h7 hours ago Washington, DC
It's like saying "She's lucky there is a Republican Party." @cmholub

4. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7h7 hours ago Washington, DC
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Christian Holub
This presumes there was ever a chance that someone like Kasich could win the primary to begin with.

7. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7h7 hours ago Washington, DC
That she's near dominant right now is a function of Trump, but she would have been competitive with any one of Cruz, Rubio or Bush.

6. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7h7 hours ago Washington, DC
My hot take is that HRC has strengths and weaknesses that make her competitive but not dominant in most political environments.

8. Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 7h7 hours ago Washington, DC
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Chase Cunningham
Someone really needs to outline the world in which Kasich would have been the nominee.
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PantherLotus

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Benjy Sarlin
@BenjySarlin
Periodic reminder: This is our politics at 5% unemployment, crime at historic lows, illegal immigration way down. Imagine if that changes?

9:53am · 31 Aug 2016 · TweetDeck
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https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/770997978538582017

This is an awfully generous way of ignoring:

1. That Trump is getting crushed

2. That Trump is going to get demolished perhaps unlike anything in 2-3 generations

3. That we are still STILL recovering from the aftershocks of 9/11, Bush, Cheney, Iraq, Katrina, the housing collapse, the Great Recession and all of that before fucking racists melted down their entire party because a black man was elected president.

4. That wages are still stagnant and an entire generation of kids are up to their eyeballs in student loans they don't believe will ever be paid off.

So yeah, shit's bad even though the data looks good. The politics reflect the time. The tea party / white supremacy party does not exist in a vacuum and is not something to write off. We're seeing the last gasps of George Wallace and the first breaths of post globalized fascism. We have a long ways to go.
 
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