Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
As I stated above, it's nearly the exact same for Trump.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll
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As I stated above, it's nearly the exact same for Trump.
Officerrob
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Just getting caught-up on the day, Nieto is a fucking idiot. The Mexican media is going to kill him over that
RastaMentality
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The Latino support wavering from previous levels is kinda worrying. I hope LatinoUSA can confirm this isn't the case.
nature boy
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Another thing: this just encourages the Trump campaign to stay in this new direction.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I still don't buy the huge drop in Hispanic support for Hillary in this poll. Makes zero sense.
That said, if further polls confirm it, the whole confusing message about immigration from Trump's campaign over the past few weeks may be paying off.
That said, if further polls confirm it, the whole confusing message about immigration from Trump's campaign over the past few weeks may be paying off.
Black Mamba
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So what?
We've had basically 6 years of Democrat Presidency and GOP Congress (yes I know the Senate didn't turn til recently but it didn't matter w/o the house in terms of legislation) and HILLARY SUPPORTERS are saying this should continue.
Fucking electorate is stupid.
Trump supporters at least have a rational argument. They hate Hillary and don't care much for Trump but rather have a GOP President and just in case he's a moron/crazy, have a Dem Congress to keep him in check.
This isn't the same for Hillary. How can any Hillary supporter look at how the Obama years have gone regarding Congress and say "yeah, more of the same please" is fucking dumb.
Eh, no biggie. Basically just a small portion of Hillary voters who believe in the value of hypothetical divided governments, but doesn't necessarily matter when it comes to looking at the individual candidates they'll have to consider on their district's ballot.
NYCmetsfan
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This is how we teach civics now. Both sides!
Black Mamba
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Sure, I agree. But it is disconcerting because it demonstrates the electorate is still fucking stupid and doesn't take a real world approach to these things.
But you're right, they'll still vote Democrat down ballot.
Regarding latino votes...that's going to have a high MoE. The poll probably got on the bad side of it this time. No biggie.
Seriously.
People hate government by historic margins but they largely like our current president. Most people think we are on the wrong track but they are currently supporting Hillary (more of the same) by decent margins. All of this comes down to the notion that people hate our current divided government.
And yet, people in this poll are voicing some bullshit romanticized notion about having divided government when in reality, it is the feature of our government that they currently hate!
It is staggering how fucking idiotic people can be.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Are they, though? 52% of voters are saying this. Hillary is getting 41% of vote in a 4-way and 48% in a H2H race. It is perfectly reasonable to consider that hardly any Hillary voters in that 4-way race are saying this.
BobTheFork
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That makes it worse. Just means people don't understand how anything gets accomplished in their government.
The Technomancer
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I don't care about that poll. No-one who goes to the ballot box and votes for Hillary is going to also vote for their local Republican "to keep things balanced". I mean, do we have stats on how many people actually vote cross ticket?
whyamihere
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!!!!
cartoon_soldier
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The problem is that right now Hillary campaign is not out there making any case for her. Hopefully after labor day that changes.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This can't be true because it would mean Trump is lying.
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I feel the exact same way. Most of PoliGAF does not.
Black Mamba
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My bad. I misread the question as only among Hillary supporters. You're right, it's mostly just a Hillary vs Trump question.
LOL
I misread the poll question, so ignore what I've said.
Of course Trump already lied about it. Very presidential of him!
whyamihere
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hahaahahahahahahahahahaha
FloydtheFathead
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And he would never do that. :jnc
Then why the fuck didn't EPN challenge him during the conference like a real leader. Dude should have shown some spine and called him out in person in public.
The Technomancer
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Dubbedinenglish
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Ayyyyyyy the shitshow starts anew
JHoNNy1OoO
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I was waiting for this to come out from the moment that he said payment wasn't discussed at the Press Conference. Like hell it wasn't. He just didn't want to seem weak and Nieto was nice enough not to call him out at the Press Conference.
whyamihere
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I know. Awful.
Heh.
She definitely fumbled post convention. At least the alt-right speech was made, so it's something.
RastaMentality
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Would have done nothing but favors for him in his own fucking country. What an idiot.
whyamihere
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Absolutely. What a fucking moron.
Basileus777
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How long until Trump calls EPN a liar and this turns into a nice spat?
Black Mamba
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Maybe.
It's also very possible Nieto is lying now to seem stronger.
We probably won't know the truth, it's a he said he said thing now.
I'm not willing to just give Nieto the benefit of the doubt; he seems to be a pretty bad politician (in terms of PR/politics) so yeah.
FloydtheFathead
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Because he's an idiot then I guess is the simplest explanation?
whyamihere
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Hopefully soon!!
Aaron Strife
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4-way polling is irrelevant.
Johnson will be lucky to break 5%, Stein will be lucky to break 1%.
Clinton up 6 is decent. That seems to be where the race has settled for now. We'll have to wait for the debates for any major shifts.
Johnson will be lucky to break 5%, Stein will be lucky to break 1%.
Clinton up 6 is decent. That seems to be where the race has settled for now. We'll have to wait for the debates for any major shifts.
whyamihere
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this is bad
nature boy
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Why? These are unpopular candidates.
whyamihere
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Because Stein won't be on the ballot in many swing states and historically, almost all polling tends to overstate 3rd party candidates.
This is only the beginning. The reaction has been swift and fierce against Peña in Mexico.
He knows he blew it.
He should have known this shit was going to happen though right?
Regulus Tera
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The people in charge of the impeachment are more corrupt than him
nature boy
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I think that theory will be put to the test.
I think they will be a bigger factor these elections than in others, but both Stein and Johnson aren't on the ballot in a lot of states (Stein is the most absent) and polls in swing states are much more favorable for Hillary.
Her low national numbers are probably from places like California or Utah, where voters know they can take a risk and vote for a third party.
Many pro-Bernie sites and talking heads, like TYT, have openly called on Bernie supporters to consider Jill or Johnson only if they live in a non-competitive state.
Abinash117
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That plus they need to get a few millions of voters to get anything over a few percentage points. I don't believe that they will get over 5%.
His first mistake was thinking Trump wasn't going to accept. After Trump demanded a visit, Peña knew he was fucked, but there was little he could do.
Basileus777
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Well there was a lot he could do, but wouldn't because Trump has a chance of actually being the American President.
I don't think impeachment is realistic, but in Brazil, 60% of the Senate that impeached Dilma, were either under investigation for corruption or already found guilty of it.
So, it's not the most improbable thing that could happen.
I'm seeing fervent negative reactions against Peña even from diehard supporters of the PRI, the ruling party. This might very well collapse the limited support he has in Congress and around the country.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Hilariously, that Fox poll also happens to have Clinton's favorable at only -8. The variance in this favorable/unfavorable question across polls is kind of insane.
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