Yup! Both are about a 5-6 point swing from last week!
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting
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Finale Fireworker
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I just get annoyed at national polls. I want states.
There's that reversion to the mean Wang was talking about.
Coriolanus
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looking at that gary jay op-ed, wondering for how long politicians have been prophetizing doom and gloom if your country's debt keeps on growing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump world has lost their mind after the debate despite keeping it together for the month prior, they're really going to try to attack Hillary for having an affair at the next debate and Hillary is going to bleed him to death.
https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/781178821366181888
I mean, what to do about the national (should it be national?) debt was a serious question at the beginning of the United States and then there was a huge fight over it for decades ending in Andrew Jackson going nuts. Then after the Civil War, there were debt worries also... I think there hasn't been a moment in United States' history where some politicians weren't worried about the national debt.
https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/781178821366181888
I mean, what to do about the national (should it be national?) debt was a serious question at the beginning of the United States and then there was a huge fight over it for decades ending in Andrew Jackson going nuts. Then after the Civil War, there were debt worries also... I think there hasn't been a moment in United States' history where some politicians weren't worried about the national debt.
The best part is that they are going to do it at a goddamned town hall. You never go negative at a town hall, you answer the questions and try to connect.
gutter_trash
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I could see him trying to pull this off during Debate #3 with Chris Wallace but LOL if he dares try to pull it off during the Town Hall format debate
User 463088
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3rd is FP right? Not sure how you can do that if the questions are on foreign policy I guess you could go bad judgement, like staying with Bill, but that's a leap. If he wanted to do it effectively (LOLOLOL) I think the first debate was his chance.
Cesare Borgia
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Curious, if Trump trotted out a high profile surrogate who was allegedly an accomplice to a murder, would you have the same opinion on the Clinton camp roasting her for it?
Nazgul_Hunter
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Re: Hillary maybe having the second biggest debate bounce since Reagan (take that Jeffrey Lord):
Many commentators were quick to proclaim that Trump did poorly, but didn't really do anything to disqualify himself. I think they're dead wrong.
These people are now numb to Trump's stupid. I'm also numb to it. Honestly, most of the horrible shit he said in the debate didn't phase me because I've heard him say much worse.
However, there were SO many millions of people who had only heard of Trump's stupid secondhand. The debate probably opened a LOT of eyes to people who hadn't thought much about the campaign.
Many commentators were quick to proclaim that Trump did poorly, but didn't really do anything to disqualify himself. I think they're dead wrong.
These people are now numb to Trump's stupid. I'm also numb to it. Honestly, most of the horrible shit he said in the debate didn't phase me because I've heard him say much worse.
However, there were SO many millions of people who had only heard of Trump's stupid secondhand. The debate probably opened a LOT of eyes to people who hadn't thought much about the campaign.
metalslimer
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God I can't believe Dean doubled down on that crap. Shut the fuck up and stop being a distraction.
In what universe did he think that would look good for him.
In what universe did he think that would look good for him.
Veritigo_X
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Trump did trot out Don King a couple weeks ago...
Uh... I don't disagree, but this is fucking valid. That is a TERRIBLE response to that question, and I would hope the Clinton camp gets her some media help.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump himself is accused of raping a 13 year old girl and this somehow is not brought up by Hillary when Trump says Hillary did a bad job in Libya.
Trump being accused of raping a 13 year old girl is about as relevant to Hillary in Libya as Miss Universe being accused (and cleared of) being an accomplice to murder is to being a misogynist asshole.
sazzy
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Anyone looking to get an aneurysm?
Watch this:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/28/donald-trump-supporter-randi-kaye-conflict-dnt-ac.cnn
The words 'irredeemable' and 'deplorable' come to mind.
Watch this:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/28/donald-trump-supporter-randi-kaye-conflict-dnt-ac.cnn
The words 'irredeemable' and 'deplorable' come to mind.
whyamihere
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This is true:
Clinton is a Reptilian from the planet Xipzorp. Everything about her is fair game in the FP debate because she is foreign.
whyamihere
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GodNate just RTd this.
Harry responds:
Harry responds:
Yeah, but I also think they underestimate the scope of cable news' outreach against the 84+ million viewer debate on Monday, where it was all laid bare. Still, it's their only weapon.
Thequietone
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I thought I was numb to it too, until he said Clinton has been fighting ISIS for 30 years. Like, does he seriously believe ISIS equals all Muslims? Because the sentence makes no sense otherwise.
Veritigo_X
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What they need right now though are female voters. You can talk about sex, and it may be irresistible to the media, but the reaction/response from voters is important too.
balladofwindfishes
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What's the change from the last poll?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, if Hillary called Don King the n-word, Don King being an actual murderer does not detract from the fact that Hillary would have been shown to be a super racist.
User 463088
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McMullin at 1, because they done did a typo.
Dubbedinenglish
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whyamihere
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Oops, McMuffin is at 1
They did not do a pre-debate poll I can find.
POOR JILL STEIN
They did not do a pre-debate poll I can find.
POOR JILL STEIN
balladofwindfishes
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Looks like the Johnson is going flaccid as well. 6% seems lower than he normally does, right?
Abinash117
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I expect it to stick since now the campaign is going in much harder now plus if she does well in the next debate. She'll be in the mid 40s to low 50s in quite few of the polls and Trump about high 30s to low 40s, basically conviction bump. The reason it might stick is possibly do because the debate fully showed Trump's character and his lack of ability. If you skeptical of Trump; no reason to vote for him now.
whyamihere
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A bit, yeah. He's been at 7-8%. Stein was getting 3-4%, so that would be a slight drop for her too. Could be noise.
The night Donald Trump couldnt call Sean Hannity
Everyone refuses to call Sean Hannity. [ThinkProgress]
Everyone refuses to call Sean Hannity. [ThinkProgress]
balladofwindfishes
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Wait what? His last press conference was late July and his surrogates dared complain about Hillary never having press conferences??
User 463088
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They did do a poll back in July. It was a 1 point lead for Hillary.
Also:
Also:
We own outer space now.
balladofwindfishes
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User 463088
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I like to imagine Hannity on a couch, and poor Trump running up, wrapping his arms around Hannity and burrowing his head in his lap. "Comfort me, Sean. Whisper sweet nothings in my ear. Tell me it'll be okay, and we'll always have Trump TV next year."
balladofwindfishes
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Oh how the tides have turned
I dunno, that sniff sounded like something
I love this. He couldn't shut the fuck up about Hillary having pneumonia, but she was fine where it mattered while he was obviously sick AT THE ACTUAL DEBATE. Now he can't admit he just had a cold and people can only laugh at his silliness.
Veritigo_X
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I don't want to bring up any illnesses since that can happen to anyone and it's out of one's control. But people are saying something's going on there...
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