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[Plinko]

The counterpoint is that we know what these undecideds and 3rd party voters look like, and they are not Trump voters.

It's very unlikely many people swing to trump at this point. The majority of the undecided lean more towards Hilary from what I recall.

in profile, these undecideds are either voting for clinton or they're not voting

Nearly every poll of undecided has shown they absolutely will not vote for Trump in any meaningful numbers.

I have not seen these polls recently, hence my statement--anybody have links?

If you're not voting for Trump now, you're not voting for him. Unless something major happens, I don't see how anyone who isn't convinced by Trump now will be later.

What's the argument?

And yes, you could try "isn't the same true of Hillary?" But the answer is "no." You've either already convinced yourself you're voting for a bigot or you won't. The only question left is if you will vote Hillary or 3rd party (or not at all). And the answer to that question will likely be the result of whether you think Trump may win or not.

That's why we see Hillary's numbers fluctuate greatly and Trump's remain fairly stable.


Nearly every pollster that asks the right questions in swing states and other polls find that the "undecided voter" is predominately pro-Obama. Trump doesn't have more votes to get. He can only win if turnout is down among the Obama coalition.

Win or lose, Trump will receive less votes than Mitt Romney. Mark it down.

The bolded is the worry.

 

[whyamihere]

I have not seen these polls recently, hence my statement--anybody have links?



The bolded is the worry.

From earlier today in NC:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/09/presidential-race-tied-cooper-up-in-nc.html

When you ask the voters who remain undecided in the head to head between Clinton and Trump whether they'd prefer 4 more years of Barack Obama's leadership or the sharp pivot to Trump's vision for the country there's no contest. 62% of them would prefer more Obama, to only 5% who would take Trump's direction. If those folks voted for Clinton and Trump along the same lines, Clinton would have a 50/48 advantage in the state.

 

[Slayven]

Is ti a hope or diabloings day?

 

[whyamihere]

Is ti a hope or diabloings day?

One meh poll out of NC, one amazing poll out of NH, one okay poll out of WI.

You decide, America!

 

[nature boy]

Is ti a hope or diabloings day?

Wait till NBC/WSJ.

 

[thebloo]

So, Trump tweeted these things consecutively, 9 minutes apart.

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Great job once again by law enforcement! We are proud of them and should embrace them - without them, we don't have a country!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Once again someone we were told is ok turns out to be a terrorist who wants to destroy our country & its people- how did he get thru system?

To be noted that the terrorist was US born and investigated by the FBI, a law enforcement agency.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Is ti a hope or diabloings day?

Wait for Fox Polls on NC, OH, NV

 

[Iolo]

Wait till NBC/WSJ.

Correct. Last poll of the day wins.

 

[whyamihere]

@Bencjacobs
Trump says limiting admission of refugees to the US is "not just a matter of terrorism but a matter of quality of life"

Hm.

 

[B-Dubs]

Hm.

Oh boy, here we go again.

 

[nature boy]

Correct. Last poll of the day wins.

It's not the last poll, yo.

 

[Slayven]

Wait for Fox Polls on NC, OH, NV

when re those?

 

[thebloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkvNLynC2JU

She's doing alright. I've said this before, but I love her low key voice.

Haha, with Christopher Reeves. "You might not know who he was. He was Superman and he was reaaaaaaally good looking".

 

[NeoXChaos]

when re those?

6:00 PM EST

 

[Holmes]

She's doing alright. I've said this before, but I love her low key voice.

Haha, with Christopher Reeves. "You might not know who he was. He was Superman and he was reaaaaaaally good looking".

@ Hillary Clinton:

 

[thebloo]

"We don't want pity, we want paychecks!"

She went in on policy and is getting a lot of cheers and few Amens!

Spoiler

I'm one the 10 people watching this, I'm basically a journalist

 

[Plinko]

From earlier today in NC:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/09/presidential-race-tied-cooper-up-in-nc.html

Not bad. Wish Hillary was more appealing, but I'll take it.

Hm.

I can't believe how blatantly racist this is.

 

[Iolo]

We need a poll buffer. Like, if a good poll comes in, everyone agrees not to post it until the end of the day. This will make everyone sleep better at night.

 

[Boke1879]

Hm.

"They are the reason why you're in the situation you are!"

Is all I hear.

 

[whyamihere]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

‏@ajjaffe
Trump will propose nationwide stop-and-frisk to address violence in black community 2nite on Hannity:

 

[Suikoguy]

What the fuck is going on with Out Magazine?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I hope we never find life on another planet because if we do there's no doubt that the United States will start sending them money!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001

I hope we never find life on other planets because there's no doubt that the U.S. Government will start sending them money!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/474188805541748736

 

[Boke1879]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

This is about to be a shit storm

 

[Black Mamba]

I have not seen these polls recently, hence my statement--anybody have links?



The bolded is the worry.

But that's always the case. That's a caveat for every election, no matter who is favored.

 

[Iolo]

"We don't want pity, we want paychecks!"

She went in on policy and is getting a lot of cheers and few Amens!

Spoiler

I'm one the 10 people watching this, I'm basically a journalist

It doesn't seem like journalists watch these either. Or at least they watch them and their stories are subsumed by whatever loud, dumb thing Trump said.

 

[B-Dubs]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

Welp, here we go again. Someone must have lost Trump's teleprompter.

 

[Boke1879]

Welp, here we go again. Someone must have lost Trump's teleprompter.

And btw that's racial profiling. This man is terrible.

Also this is why he's terrible at town hall settings. Debates will be equally interesting

 

[thebloo]

I hope we never find life on another planet because if we do there's no doubt that the United States will start sending them money!

I mean...that's kinda funny.

 

[Slayven]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

But all those studies proving it doesn't.

 

[Aaron Strife]

That story about Freia... I've got a little lump in my throat.

 

[Crisco]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

"2% of African Americans? Come on, we can do worse!"

 

[Holmes]

Super positive speech from Hillary, didn't even mention Trump once aside from a "love trumps hate" at the end. This is the direction people wanted her to go in. Let's see how it goes.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It must be the most bittersweet thing ever for Trump's handlers when he gains in polls. On one hand, he gained in the polls, but in doing so, it makes Trump completely ignore them and go full on dictator.

 

[User1608]

I hate Trump so much. Fuck him for using so many of us groups so blatantly for his racist rhetoric.

Super positive speech from Hillary, didn't even mention Trump once aside from a "love trumps hate" at the end. This is the direction people wanted her to go in. Let's see how it goes.

That's good, will catch up when I get home.

 

[HylianTom]

Welp, here we go again. Someone must have lost Trump's teleprompter.

I can't wait to see what bullshit he pulls out of his ass in a high-pressure situation against Hillary.

 

[Plinko]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

Hey--that USC poll says otherwise. He's a friend to the community!

 

[djplaeskool]

"2% of African Americans? Come on, we can do worse!"

Ahh yes, doubling down on stop-and-frisk and broken window policing in general is a surefire way to rally the black community...

 

[B-Dubs]

And btw that's racial profiling. This man is terrible.

No shit it's racial profiling. It's like the most blatant form of racial profiling there is.

I can't wait to see what bullshit he pulls out of his ass in a high-pressure situation against Hillary.

She's got to drive his ass into the corner and just start working the body.

 

[Teggy]

If you need more evidence that he's actually not appealing to black people at all!!

Yeeeup, was just about to post this.

 

[Dierce]

Welp, here we go again. Someone must have lost Trump's teleprompter.

He will backtrack on it when asked again and continue to be praised by the media. If Clinton loses the debate according to the imbeciles in the mainstream media and her poll numbers consequently decline I hope they go completely negative against motherfucker ignorant orange shit.

Just start throwing every single accusation there is against him from having onset dementia to being the default leader of a rising white power movement. Fucking stain his pathetic name and brand and make it absolutely clear that he represents the worst this world has to offer.

 

[thebloo]

That story about Freia... I've got a little lump in my throat.

Super positive speech from Hillary, didn't even mention Trump once aside from a "love trumps hate" at the end. This is the direction people wanted her to go in. Let's see how it goes.

Omg, I wasn't the only one watching.

The Freia story, for people that don't know it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freia-david-mcdonalds_us_57c5a371e4b0664f13ca9b95

 

[Plinko]

Perhaps his goal is to not get any minority vote. This statement might sway the Hispanics currently voting for him.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Trump's been banging the stop-and-frisk drum for some time now. This isn't new and his corrupted supporters don't care because it mostly applies to minorities, poors, and dirty urban hippies.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Omg, I wasn't the only one watching.

The Freia story, for people that don't know it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freia-david-mcdonalds_us_57c5a371e4b0664f13ca9b95

Omg I'm supposed to be working

 

[Iolo]

Trump's been banging the stop-and-frisk drum for some time now. This isn't new and his corrupted supporters don't care because it mostly applies to minorities, poors, and dirty urban hippies.

Not that it matters much, but this is the first I've heard of it personally.

 

[Emarv]

Clinton should be patient and wait to use the Stop-and-Frisk stuff at the debate. Nail him with the research and the blatant racism. Say he said it as recent as a few days ago and go after him on the racial stuff.

 

[Holmes]

Omg, I wasn't the only one watching.

You... quoted my post with the link of the stream I provided so... yeah.

 

[Boke1879]

Trump's been banging the stop-and-frisk drum for some time now. This isn't new and his corrupted supporters don't care because it mostly applies to minorities, poors, and dirty urban hippies.

Well yea that's a given. Shit is still despicable. It's racial profiling. Hispanics are victim of it as well.

 

[Abinash117]

Welp, here we go again. Someone must have lost Trump's teleprompter.

He repeated himself 2 different times in the same sentence.

Trump, trying to protect the community by oppressing them.

 

[thebloo]

You... quoted my post with the link of the stream I provided so... yeah.

That...doesn't mean anything...