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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic

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Bowdz

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Slizeezyc said:
Holy shitballs. They're all certifiable in their own way, but isn't the inheritance thing only even on like 10+ million dollars? The Russian one is funny because Trump-Putin. Trump brings over immigrants already. And the Syrian one is just sweet Jebus insanity.
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Someone can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure the estate tax only impacts 5,700 families.
 
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RustyNails

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Corto said:
National debt doesn't affect people? The interest rates alone on an exploding debt will weigh in on the budget. The more money the gov spend servicing the debt the less is spent with public services.
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The national debt keeps growing, and it's healthy to keep it growing at a steady pace. Simply put, national debt is simply all the dollars ever printed by America since it's founding minus all the dollars that were relinquished to the government in the form of taxes. What's left over is $19t. This leftover money is in the form of treasury securities, cash and money floating around in private sector. Since the economy always continues to grow (generally speaking), the debt also increases (leftover money). So in our lifetimes, we'll likely see the debt rise to $50t or $70t. Scary number, sure! But the bigger picture is our GDP output is also insane compared to other countries. As long as America continues to innovate, increase goods produced, increase GDP, the debt will remain in check. Even when US went through the worst recession in recent history in 2008, the treasury bond was still the most trusted in the world and for the simple reason because the government has never defaulted on it's debt, and the "American promise" (hate that term) was always there.

Now if our country stops producing goods and the overall economy stagnates, that's when currency starts losing value and interest rates start going up. You have all this money in the private sector and in US treasury bonds but with no backing to say the dollar is actually worth the value our government says it does. Long story short, folks should concern themselves more about US' productivity statistics than the big huge scary number from the national debt.
 
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sazzy

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jake tapper: (points to college students behind him) their parents are sending them to this expensive school and this is what they're doing instead of studying
 
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Wag

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Owzers said:
He's going to win by calling her an enabler and then everyone will love him again.

Remember how Romney was attacked for not talking Benghazi enough? Clinton rape accusations and hillarys role is the new thing a candidate will regret not attacking enough if they lose.
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I'm just wondering what she says that will set him off.
 
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Maledict

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Zukkoyaki said:
This is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Wow.

Nothing and I mean NOTHING would be more beautiful than Hillary having a fantastic presidency and watching people like this twist and squirm about how we're living in some horrific dystopia.
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It doesn't matter. By anyone's standards Obama has had a good presidency, especially given what he inherited. Yet they will openly talk about how bad America is, how weak the country is, how bad the economy is, etc etc. These people are happy to say the sky is green if it enables them to attack a democrat. And it doesnt seem to cost them anything.
 
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Voysa Reezun

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Owzers said:
He's going to win by calling her an enabler and then everyone will love him again.

Remember how Romney was attacked for not talking Benghazi enough? Clinton rape accusations and hillarys role is the new thing a candidate will regret not attacking enough if they lose.
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How do people keep ignoring that polls, even the GOP's own internal focus groups, show that this line of attack sucks for Trump?
 
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Dierce

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It looks like 'open borders' is going to be a topic during the debate. I hope she owns up to it and admits that it is indeed a dream, a world that works around a common interest where freedom of market leads to improved global security and collaboration.
 
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RustyNails

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Voysa Reezun said:
How do people keep ignoring that polls, even the GOP's own internal focus groups, show that this line of attack sucks for Trump?
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This assumes that someone in Trump campaign had the balls to go to him and tell him don't do X. All the top jackasses in the Trump HQ are blowhards. They don't care about focus-tested crapola. KellyAnn may have brought it up but lol KellyAnn. Go back to your basement.
 
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whyamihere

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Catherine Cortez Masto has been doing a huge tweetstorm this morning about all the times that Joe Heck stood with Trump. Using the hashtag #HeckNo, which is pretty funny.
 
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banefirelord

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Vahagn said:
I think maybe the way I described Sean Hannity made it seem like churches are equally boisterous. They're not. But this overall message is there, I would argue, the vast majority of the time.

They can be throwaway lines, discussion of current events, discussions of the devil - but they're ever-present, even when subtle.

The implication with the devil is that the Devil has influence and hold over non-believers who don't have the protection of Christ. The implication with negative current events (from a school shooting, to poverty, to crime) is that REAL Christians don't behave this way and that the spiraling immorality of society is due, in part, to the taking of Christianity away from public life.

This isn't surprising by the way. The stories of Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah's Ark, Moses' exodus and even Jesus' salvation are reinforced with the idea that the unbelievers are given earthly and spiritual torment - AND THAT THEY DESERVE IT.

The implication of "we are better, and we have to strive to keep being better than THEM" is always there. (And it's not just Christianity by the way, it's a consistent calling card of most organized religious services).

The common general framework (if I could be overly generalistic) is:

- Mention a Bible passage or current event you're going to focus on

- Talk about examples (with the implication that this is how non-Christians behave)

- Talk about some in the parish may be behaving this way too, and try to be better.


But whether the audience member actually tries to be better or not, after repeated yearly sermons they leave with the general sense that the outside world is so immoral, so fucked up, and so in line with what the Devil wants from humanity.
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Huh, maybe I have just been extremely lucky then. All the churches I've attended (all Protestant: three Episcopal, one Lutheran, one [I think] Presbyterian or maybe Swedish Covenant...there was also probably another one...we did a lot of moving when I was a kid) have always felt less prescriptive and insular against a bedeviled world (beyond the general "be a good person, do good works" stuff) and far more discursive and self-reflective, at times almost feeling like philosophical debates. There was never an established combative, us vs. them framework about nonbelievers or the devil as an entity or evil force. It always tended more towards circumspection, acknowledgment of flaws and a sense of broader cooperation.

Perhaps I'm just straight up an anomaly, but that's been the experience I've had. Weird.
 
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Dierce

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I fail to understand why some socialists are against free trade in favor of isolationistic policies.

I consider myself a socialists and completely understand that free trade is essential for global security and for building a society that is more accepting of other cultures.
 
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Damaniel

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sazzy said:
I thought we would get this level of entertainment on/after election day

but a month before?
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Based on what we've heard about Trump lately, it's far more likely that Trump himself would be the one 'raping your daughter' than an 'unvetted Syrian refugee' would be.

This whole set of tweets misses the point anyway - it's not the fact he said pussy, it's the fact that he admitted to using his power to sexually assault people and get away with it. Sadly, there are people even here that seem to be missing the distinction.
 
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BronzeWolf

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So what happens if D takes the house.

Would Obams be able to go the Lame Duck session with some liberal Obamacare reform and tell those R losers "Look either you pass this, or my dawg Hills will bring a much more aggressive initiative, your choice"?

Sure that would be such a sweet revenge.
 
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B-Dubs

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BronzeWolf said:
So what happens if D takes the house.

Would Obams be able to go the Lame Duck session with some liberal Obamacare reform and tell those R losers "Look either you pass this, or my dawg Hills will bring a much more aggressive initiative, your choice"?

Sure that would be such a sweet revenge.
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Why would he even bother with that? He'd probably get Garland, but outside of that what else could he ask for and get?
 
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Killer Queen

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Zukkoyaki said:
This is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Wow.

Nothing and I mean NOTHING would be more beautiful than Hillary having a fantastic presidency and watching people like this twist and squirm about how we're living in some horrific dystopia.
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dystopia.jpg

Just change Megadeth to Hillary and drop that dudes face on to Vic.
Like the album but, it's got a lot of right wing sentiment lyrically
I'm on mobile so sorry of this is yuge
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
BronzeWolf said:
Revenge for all of the shit this congress has gotten him into.

But yeah it will be Garland.
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I like Garland...

I was sold on him after reading how he handled the Oklahoma City Bombing.

Plus, he is a significant shift from Scalia.
 
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The Technomancer

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Dierce said:
I fail to understand why some socialists are against free trade in favor of isolationistic policies.

I consider myself a socialists and completely understand that free trade is essential for global security and for building a society that is more accepting of other cultures.
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I also don't really get it, outside of socialism being "for the people" and anti-trade also being "for the people" in a crude, populist way

I find it maddening though. Trade has not made the US poorer. The wealth is all still here. This is a perfect chance to point out that we could be taxing and redistributing wealth more aggressively and instead its being pissed away on the same bullshit "we'll get the jobs back!"
 
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Hazmat

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BronzeWolf said:
So what happens if D takes the house.

Would Obams be able to go the Lame Duck session with some liberal Obamacare reform and tell those R losers "Look either you pass this, or my dawg Hills will bring a much more aggressive initiative, your choice"?

Sure that would be such a sweet revenge.
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What would it matter? Clinton would enact her more liberal plan regardless. It only works with Garland because there are a limited number of seats on the court.
 
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kess

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It's been interesting to watch my former church (Presbyterian, by the way) gradually go from a moderate to a fundamentalist position that doesn't have a whole lot in common with mainstream Protestant theology. At least in this case, the change wasn't precipitated from the generally older crowd that would attend the traditional services, but from a slow radicalization of the youth groups and so-called "contemporary" services.

The vote to change to a evangelical Protestant denomination was extremely shameless. It occurred during a service at the church itself, after the fundamentalist group who agitated for the vote delegitimized the mail-in ballots that were mailed by the PC-USA.

As much as their message is losing in today's society as a whole, many churches are prestigious pieces of real estate and inhabit prominent positions in their communities, often running community services that reflect the agenda of the church itself. It's always disappointing when things like this happen.
 
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Plumbob

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kess said:
It's been interesting to watch my former church (Presbyterian, by the way) gradually go from a moderate to a fundamentalist position that doesn't have a whole lot in common with mainstream Protestant theology. At least in this case, the change wasn't precipitated from the generally older crowd that would attend the traditional services, but from a slow radicalization of the youth groups and so-called "contemporary" services.

The vote to change to a evangelical Protestant denomination was extremely shameless. It occurred in the middle of week at the church itself, after the fundamentalist group who agitated for the vote delegitimized the mail-in ballots that were mailed by the PC-USA.

As much as their message is losing in today's society as a whole, many churches are prestigious pieces of real estate and inhabit prominent positions in their communities, often running community services that reflect the agenda of the church itself. It's always disappointing when things like this happen.
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Write an article about it.
 
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Ecotic

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I like Garland and while I'd love for Obama to have a legacy of 3 SC Justices, I'd rather Hilary nominate someone whose around 50 years old.

A lot is contingent upon which party takes the House though. If Democrats take back the whole of Congress then I can buy the argument that there's only so much political capital to go around for the next 2 years and it would be best to remove the issue during this November and December and clear the way for Hillary to focus on a few major pieces of legislation. If Democrats only retake the Senate then Hillary needs to give the progressive wing a big victory early on to buy some goodwill.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
I don't think socialism necessarily has any ties to protectionism, though of course trying to centrally plan is harder when you have interference from exogenous forces (like other economies).

I think the left would be far more comfortable with free trade if Clinton had, for example, promised guaranteed national incomes to those affected by trade or something like that. Clinton's problem has always been that she doesn't go that far (because "that far" is wildly unpopular).

I think trade is still popular overall. Just that the bases are loud.

I mean, they teach comparative advantage and David Ricardo on day 1 of economics in any class.
 
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Tranqueris

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Ecotic said:
I like Garland and while I'd love for Obama to have a legacy of 3 SC Justices, I'd rather Hilary nominate someone whose around 50 years old.

A lot is contingent upon which party takes the House though. If Democrats take back the whole of Congress then I can buy the argument that there's only so much political capital to go around for the next 2 years and it would be best to remove the issue during this November and December and clear the way for Hillary to focus on a few major pieces of legislation. If Democrats only retake the Senate then Hillary needs to give the progressive wing a big victory early on to buy some goodwill.
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This is what I've been thinking lately, imagine if the Republican party stays the same and Garland died 8 years from now.
 
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BronzeWolf

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Y2Kev said:
I don't think socialism necessarily has any ties to protectionism, though of course trying to centrally plan is harder when you have interference from exogenous forces (like other economies).

I think the left would be far more comfortable with free trade if Clinton had, for example, promised guaranteed national incomes to those affected by trade or something like that. Clinton's problem has always been that she doesn't go that far (because "that far" is wildly unpopular).

I think trade is still popular overall. Just that the bases are loud.

I mean, they teach comparative advantage and David Ricardo on day 1 of economics in any class.
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Trade is easier to pass in the US than in other places due to the stupid amount of foreign commerce that the economy fosters. Demonstrating that more trade = more opportunities should not be difficult, specially if it can bring examples of American companies that have taken advantage of the new market both internally and externally.

Ads with Mexican/Chiniese/European customers buying from American companies should humanize trade. She has promised education and skill learning for those affected by trade, it's just a matter of bringing it to the front

TheGreatPotato said:
https://www.facebook.com/isupportdo...366826182593/1314086725277267/?type=2&theater

So Trump supporters are spreading this around, saying it shows how Obama says "pussy" too. Well, except that he's reading a book. But it's basically the same thing as describing your own previous sexual assaults, right?
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Is Obaama running again? :D
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Donald Trump spiraling down is the canary signalling a Dem wave. There is now strong evidence for this. Prepare for complete control of the whole government. Republicans will be left out for the buzzards to pick clean.
 
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