So is it like a formal thing where it's officially implemented and agreed upon or something? Or was this just W saying it's his right to push through policy because he won? Just something politicians say?
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So is it like a formal thing where it's officially implemented and agreed upon or something? Or was this just W saying it's his right to push through policy because he won? Just something politicians say?
balladofwindfishes
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It's nothing formal. A president has the same powers whether they win by .5% or 15%.
Manmademan
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It is inherently nebulous, since no one can cleary say when a mandate occurs and when it does not. In general terms it is when a candidate wins decisively - by relatively large numbers - and brings seats with them in at least some decent numbers.
That is called a "mandate", which is supposed to mean Americans spoke in a clear voice about what direction they want the country to go in. Used to give presidents a honeymoon phase. Now? Republicans just ignore it and say fuck you anyway.
Oh, okay. I think I get it a little more. So is it something that can only happen if it's a wave election?
How weird.....
It's not an actual thing, just a concept. To quote a dictionary definition:
Mandate - the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election.
Basically, if you win an election, than that gives you a mandate for your policies.
It's just the winner saying that they won by such a large margin that the people clearly want them in charge. It's them saying "I'm really popular, let me do what I want."
Imagine what could be done if the union system was still functional in the US.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Pyrokai, it's just a president arguing they can do what they want. It's meaningless.
Trump would lash out at God for rigging the election and probably a lot of his evangelical supporters would side with Trump.
RustyNails
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If Hillary ends up with just the senate, can she pass the public option? Or will she need the house?
PantherLotus
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JHoNNy1OoO
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She needs the house.
Mighty Chin
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Pic?
Part of the country?
As was mentioned, in 08 Obama won in a landslide, and Democrats swept in the House and Senate. See Republicans' reaction to that loss in subsequent years to see how much a "mandate" matters.
She'll need the House and a lot of congressmen and women to be a lot more courageous than they would normally be. Because it would be scrutinized forever.
We had the house and senate and obamacare had to be gutted for it to barely pass. Dems would need a dominating position to get single payer passed because even some dems will vote against it.
Fragamemnon
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mandate was just a thing when the clearly closeted Ken Mehlman was RNC chief and was helping bang the drum for the state constitutional marriage amendments in the mid 2000s.
nature boy
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So the Wapo/ABC tracking poll shows Trump leading white women 48-43
DOPEY!
DOPEY!
RustyNails
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Ugh.
Maybe Hillary can bribe Ryan with something. He's a wimp, and the Trumpkins hate his face.
Maybe Hillary can bribe Ryan with something. He's a wimp, and the Trumpkins hate his face.
Fragamemnon
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Yes, especially given that respondents keep saying Aleppo and pollsters actually believe that they'll vote.
RastaMentality
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yeah if we won the house in a wave election, you'd get a lot of bedwetting (probably single term) dem reps who wouldn't wanna touch healthcare with a ten foot stick. i believe someone mentioned this in the last thread.
shes a looker!
Fragamemnon
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It's probably got a weird sample from one day poisioning the aggregate. Not trying to go totally unskew but this seems to happen both ways at least once with tracking polls every cycle.
The only way you get people to do bold things in the House is to let them know that if they don't play ball then they can have fun fending off a primary challenger and/or raising their own money for their re-election. The goal of most congresspeople is to get re-elected each cycle with minimal amount of work needed-threaten that and they will consider playing ball.
This is why things like earmarks were so useful-for relatively cheap cost you could get congresspeople to buy into legislation with a carrot.
I'd love to have them back, provided that they have attribution (i.e. the person who added the earmark to the bill should be clearly identifiable/auditable)
FrenchMovieTheme
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GOP will just say it's not accurate
This happens every time Trump goes ten minutes without saying the worst thing ever. Then he can't help himself and bam, toilet again. I'm betting the n word tape is the only thing that could hold through these blips.
Manmademan
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I'm not sure I buy that, since it's a given that the districts are SO gerrymandered that a wave election is the only way those people are getting elected at all. 2018 is going to be massive losses no matter what happens, there's no way around it.
no amount of pandering to conservatives is going to keep democrats from losing the house in 2 years, so you might as well go all in on passing the most progressive legislation you can, using that to run again in 2020, and hope you carry enough local districts to redraw the map to something that will allow you to hold for the next decade.
I already heard Katrina Pierson going with this narrative this morning adding in a little conspiracy theory about how convenient it is that the number is appearing 11 days before the election.
sturgboski
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You can keep stating facts, but that's not how it feels in America. It doesn't feel like growth. Unless it's a GOP president and then anything above 0% percent both feels like growth and factually is.
The reason she didn't take a stronger stand on ACA is because she knows the political capital it would take to pass another healthcare bill and what that would do to her presidency. Her best bet is to continue to improve and expand it and hold off on major reform until later.
I honestly would not expect major healthcare changes for another term or two, and that's being optimistic. Healthcare is an albatross for most of these congressmen.
I honestly would not expect major healthcare changes for another term or two, and that's being optimistic. Healthcare is an albatross for most of these congressmen.
User 85168
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No public PPP polls for the rest of the campaign.
Sad.
Sad.
It's probably Republicans coming home, Hillary is basically steady while Trump is gaining back voters he lost after the debates. The less Rs see of Trump the more they can rationalize voting for him.
cooljeanius
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Hey, can anyone find that Duncan Hunter anecdote about adding something about women in the military as a poison pill to some bill, and then finding out that people actually thought it was a good idea? Because that's basically what the #DraftOurDaughters hashtag is like right now.
Edit: Or maybe it wasn't Duncan Hunter. All I remember is that it was some Republican in the House and it came up in one of the previous PoliGAF threads this fall.
Edit: Or maybe it wasn't Duncan Hunter. All I remember is that it was some Republican in the House and it came up in one of the previous PoliGAF threads this fall.
balladofwindfishes
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Isn't this kind of true? Quite a lot of red states have terrible economies. People in Kansas don't really care that tech jobs are booming in big cities in states that are half a country away.
phisheep
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Don't open it. It is probably full of cold dead hands.
"I worked for this guy that stiffed a bunch of people in the past and didn't get my paycheck! How unforeseen!"
Ironically, not paying the employees of a losing campaign will probably be the most honest application of the "maybe they did a bad job" claim that Trump likes to throw around.
Yeah, that Dem pollster tweet a few pages back Seema spot on. Soft R's supporting Trump flee in the aftermath of big events and then slowly start coming home as the furor dies down.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Honest question--is there a decent daily tracking poll in existence? ABC's is brand new and already looks weird. Ras and USC/LA are trash of course. Gallup embarrassed themselves in 2012 and had to chuck theirs. Research 2000 ran one for Daily Kos in '08 I think and it turned out to be a scam, ha ha.
RastaMentality
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This definitely makes sense but it would still probably give a lot of them pause.
ErasureAcer
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His awful debate performance helped him out?
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