I'm not optimistic about that (or anything right now, really, lol). His only political experience is serving as Missouri Secretary of State, he seems too green to run for, much less be, president. I know the natural response to that is that the country just elected someone with zero political experience to the White House, but: a) I don't see that tactic working with Dems, and b) While Trump has no political experience, he was able to fool enough people into thinking his decades of business experience was a good enough substitute. Kander doesn't have enough experience in any field, from my view, to make a similar argument.
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I'm not optimistic about that (or anything right now, really, lol). His only political experience is serving as Missouri Secretary of State, he seems too green to run for, much less be, president. I know the natural response to that is that the country just elected someone with zero political experience to the White House, but: a) I don't see that tactic working with Dems, and b) While Trump has no political experience, he was able to fool enough people into thinking his decades of business experience was a good enough substitute. Kander doesn't have enough experience in any field, from my view, to make a similar argument.
Dubbedinenglish
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Young, thin, good looking Kander versus the grotesque orange blob of Trump in 4 years? Would be an easy sell.
balladofwindfishes
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Our current president is a failed businessman who is also a racist
We're in uncharted waters here. Kander might actually be overqualified to be president.
We're in uncharted waters here. Kander might actually be overqualified to be president.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If I'm the democratic leadership, I get Kander out of any local politics and into a national role immediately.
I still see a celebrity as the best shot for democrats in 2020. We're through the looking glass now for a while. People hate politicians.
Kander's a fantastic VP pick for Harris.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I do not get why people rate Harris so highly here at this point.
metalslimer
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You have no idea what a Trump presidency would even be like and are already claiming we need to go find some random celebrity. People hated Hilary Clinton. People love Obama.
He outperformed Hillary by 16%. He is sellable. Former military, doesn't run to the center, not tied to any establishment. It could work.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Can we talk more about emails?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That is because Obama wasn't a typical politician. He was a rock star version of one. A once-in-a-lifetime politician.
People on here seem to think Kamala is the next Obama, and they need to get that out of their heads immediately.
Yes remember when climate scientists' emails got hacked and revealed that it was all a big hoax?
metalslimer
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As much as I don't think Bernie Sander's policies would be popular with the electorate, he is also well liked by most of the electorate. You are also ignoring the fact that in 2020 Trump can no longer play the I'm not a politician card because he will have an actual record to run against So if people hate politicians he will be screwed.
balladofwindfishes
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Kander is charismatic, liberal, and able to appeal to people Hillary was not able to. He might not have the preacher type feel as Obama, but he's able to rally up a base and get people excited like Obama.
The fact that he ran so much ahead of Hillary in a red state shouldn't be ignored. That means he's a very appealing politician.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Just look at all the people after the election who have tried to claim that talking about racism and "identity politics" is a losing strategy that Dems should drop. It's pretty clear that the GG-style demographic is feeling pretty vindicated now in their belief that minority issues are a nuisance that need to be swept away.
Sanders is old.
The issue with Sanders right now is 1) you don't know what will happen in 4 years and 2) you're not asking for him to survive 4 years, you're asking him to survive 12. Four until 2020, with the expectation of two terms after that. It's going to be tough campaigning, probably better just to let him be and pick new blood.
The Lamonster
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I like memes and EDM
This all makes me question who I am. I've been a nerd all my life really, but I don't think I have ever had this kind of hate in me. It's unreal.
Maybe Hispanic nerds are different!
edit: I'm depressed now...
balladofwindfishes
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I wonder when SNL will actually tackle Trump being president. Hopefully Alec likes being a regular for awhile.
metalslimer
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Haha, I'm not saying Sanders should run at all. I'm just arguing against this idea that every politician is hated except for once in a lifetime Obama
ItWasMeantToBe19
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..... What are his supporting reasons?
We did our best. 😢
Bonen no Max'd
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Putting aside whether any and all politicians are hated (hint: they're not) I would like the next president to have displayed some level of competence in government before running.
Scandal-free, prosecutor is a +, doesn't need to prove her bona fides to progressives.
neurosisxeno
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Probably what I've heard around the Interwebs...that just the idea of dealing with Clinton would have lead us to Nuclear War with Russia but Trump has restored faith amongst he International community. And you know, had like 20 different ties to Russia so that probably didn't hurt.
metalslimer
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Exactly. We are already seeing how disastrous it can be to even set foot in the door without knowing what you are going to do. If we run someone with no experience in government, we will probably do more damage to ourselves than anything. It's not worth it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think Trump is averting a war with Russia very well by filling his cabinet with people that are desperate for war with Iran.
Okay Fox News.
NAFTA renegotiation on the table, Mexico negotiations on the table, TPP dead, best buddies with Vlad 'The Impaler' Putin and the markets didn't collapse after all. He did add at the end:
neurosisxeno
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But at least they are Washington ins...establish...uh...extremist...wait..lobbyists? Yea! At least they aren't lobbyists like Crooked Hillary wanted!
RustyNails
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Yeah but you can already hear Anderson Cooper grilling Angela Rye over the fact that Democrats cried foul over Trump's lack of experience but are now supporting a candidate who doesn't have it either. False equivalency is media's pet.
RustyNails
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I think there's a chance he will run for McCaskill seat if she retires in 2018. In fact she might get primaried by Kander.
neurosisxeno
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That would be a brilliant move by the Democrats actually. If McCaskill wants to retire let her get primaried by Kander who carries the torch both as a liberal Democrat and as new blood against some generic republican. Made even better of Trump tanks his first 2 years.
Pure delusion.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If I HAD to choose a politician to run, it would be a Bernie/Kander ticket. I still think a Clinton/Bernie ticket would have been a winner.
balladofwindfishes
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2 years in the house would probably be enough to push back on "inexperienced!" complaints.
Obama was a senator for 2 years when he threw his hat in the ring in 2007. Obama never even served a full senate term before moving on to be president.
Bernie is too old to run. Way too old. He can't guarantee 8 years and we need someone who can.
Obama was a senator for 2 years when he threw his hat in the ring in 2007. Obama never even served a full senate term before moving on to be president.
Bernie is too old to run. Way too old. He can't guarantee 8 years and we need someone who can.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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At some point having any kind of experience in the government became the devil in this country, and we're about to find out the hard way why the baby shouldn't be thrown out with the bath water.
Yea I'm team Kander unless he runs for Rep or something in 2018 I think he should certainly try in 2020.
Kander's fb post after the election
Kander's fb post after the election
A Link to the Past
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I guess I do not really see why they didn't choose Bernie to run as VP. I guess they underestimated how many people were put off by Clinton (and to a lesser extent Kaine, though kind of unfairly). Keeping Bernie closely involved and having him engaging younger voters consistently as part of the campaign could have had the potential to keep them involved.
It's going to be interesting to see how the ramp-up for 2020 goes.
It's going to be interesting to see how the ramp-up for 2020 goes.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Kaine made no sense then and makes even less now.
Balladofwindfishes said:
Then reverse the ticket.
balladofwindfishes
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Bernie as VP wouldn't have magically made Hillary more appealing to WWC voters. The VP doesn't really do anything to sway the election unless they're a disaster, like Palin.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is ludicrous. He absolutely did appeal to those voters in the primaries.
A Link to the Past
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I like Kaine, but I don't see what he brought to the table. Certainly not a middle-class appeal, based on what occurred.
It would however have potentially improved turnout by disaffected far-lefters.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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There's probably been a 100:1 ratio of people decrying the idea of doing that to people who are actually advocating for doing it. People are going out of their way to misconstrue what many, including myself, have said needs to be done in reconnecting with economically disadvantaged communities that have lost their livelihoods to globalism.
Democrats aren't a monolith and never have been. Each voting bloc has issues that matter the most to them. Providing an economic message to working class communities doesn't mean abandoning the civil rights portion of the platform. The only portion of the platform that really needs to go on the back burner is gun control: no matter what the voting population agrees with in terms of regulation, any discussion of it at a national level instantly devolves into a screaming match about bans and goes nowhere.
Liberal messaging needs to change as well. The civil rights movement can make gains without immediately labeling everyone that isn't in perfect lockstep with every cause du jour as privileged, sexist, or racist. Label a struggling white family as "privileged" and they're far more likely to tell you to go fuck yourself than reach some state of cultural breakthrough and awareness.
We didn't lose this election because of championing minority rights: we lost it because the party thought it could neglect everything else writ large.
America just elected a person with no political or military experience to speak of. If Democrats ever have an issue with "experience" messaging again, it's because they're pushovers.
neurosisxeno
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He makes a good point, maybe the continually failing strategy of moderating your stances is worth abandoning. Clearly playing to the middle is not winning Democrats any favors, and often makes them more vulnerable. I think the party as a whole needs to just own up to their Liberal beliefs. If Bernie taught us anything, it's that people will love someone for their unwavering convictions way longer than they tolerate someone who moves to the center.
balladofwindfishes
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The VP doesn't change the election.
Especially not a VP that disagrees with the top ticket on a ton of stuff that's important to WWC voters.
If Bernie being out there campaigning with her didn't change their minds, why would being VP do that? The VP has no actual governing power.
The far left states generally had the same or higher turnout than in 2012. CA's vote total is insane this year.
RastaMentality
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If she wants good graces with the left, she needs to renounce a lot of the garbage shit she's said over the years.
I don't think Kaine made "no sense." He was a safe choice. Too safe. He's super inoffensive, is generally well liked, and has a solid track record. And he very well could have helped Hillary seal the deal on Virginia. On the other hand, also has the charisma of a dad telling his daughter a bedtime story.
Bernie wasn't VP because Bernie did not want to be VP. He has very explicitly said so in the past.
Bernie wasn't VP because Bernie did not want to be VP. He has very explicitly said so in the past.
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Clinton really prioritizes loyalty above everything else. Kaine was on her side for a very long time, and consequently his place was assured. Mind you, I don't think Sanders wanted it, but it's why she didn't pick any of the other numerous choices that were better than Tim "No Show" Kaine.
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