ItWasMeantToBe19
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What is the probability Trump tweets "Hamilton is racist, no white people!" in the next week?
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Knuckle Sandwich
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Absolutely. Pence may be an even worse monster than Trump but I mean at least I wouldn't feel like my fucking country is a joke.
RustyNails
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High school talent show run by cheerleaders have more professionalism than this...whatever this is.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump can't beat theater kids but I guess he's going to beat China.
I think I agree. I'll take the rational evil of Pence over the unhinged joke of Trump.
This whole Hamilton episode sums it up for me: Trump immediately takes to Twitter to whine about (and threaten?) cast members who dared to politely ask their new VP-Elect to look after their inalienable rights. Pence, on the other hand, hasn't said a fucking thing! And maybe he feels the exact same thing himself, but at least he knows the presidential look ISN'T to bitch and moan on Twitter about it.
Incompetent NSA head visits Trump Tower without any word to the WH... someone wanting to move up the ladder before they lose their current job with a spot of schmoozing?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/u...ick&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/u...ick&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article
RastaMentality
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This entire presidency is about to be a ponzi scheme. america is a joke.
I cant wait for him to do his victory tour in front of his properties. one huge promotion bonanza. white america got played.
This article also confirms, at least for me, that underneath mounds and mounds of pettiness, Trump is capable of some level of strategic movement.
So people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss everything Trump does as the aimless actions of a moron, moving forward.
GoldenEye 007
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No doubt he is very intentional in being an inhuman, racist, fascist scumbag.
I don't think the SS will care if he goes to his vacation homes. I mean, look at how many times Obama went on vacation when a national tragedy was occurring, like terrorist attacks, BLMs protests, cop killings, etc. (/s)
Retromelon
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https://youtu.be/TxwiNgPq_5M
Macklemore put out a new song recently reflecting on the election and at the risk of promoting a rapper that has been derided as corny and maudlin, I think it's pretty good
Macklemore put out a new song recently reflecting on the election and at the risk of promoting a rapper that has been derided as corny and maudlin, I think it's pretty good
Dubbedinenglish
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It's just so....defeating reading this. He won't be held accountable and continues to desecrate the office.
Finally a rapper with... you know what, I can't even enjoy memes anymore.
Thanks Tru... god damnit!
Yep. I don't care that taxpayer money is spent putting up the presidents family or foreign dignitaries, that's part of the deal. But that that money is essentially flowing directly into the presidents pocket is deeply concerning.
So he'll pretty much ostracize anyone who doesn't lick his boots completely and utterly? Even Rudy wasn't pure enough? The guy who was staning for Trump after pretty much everybody else abandoned him? I almost feel sorry for Rudy.
Well, almost.
Actually, no not really.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Giuliani and Christie getting bitchslapped after all the groveling they did is quite the silver lining. I hope something similar happens to Ted Cruz.
Guys can we stop using the word "post truth" ? Let's call it what it is and say that it's just another word for "lies". It has been noted that conservatives often use very aggressive words like "attack on Christmas" and so on when they describe things they don't like. Well I don't know who invented the term "post truth" but liberals need to stop dancing around the central truth that "post truth" is another word for "lies". Call a spade a spade. I'm so pissed right now ugghhhh.
Another peeve of mine: normalizing white supremacy, white nationalism, fascism, and nazism under vagaries like "alt-right".
Prof. Bathtub
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Post-Truth, Truthiness, lies... I think the main point is that people actively believe things they know to be lies, or believe Dems are lying just as fully.
After all that stuff doing the primaries I'm sure the dude wants to die. Been turned into a servile puppy dog.
I was very angry at Colbert for using the term "post truth" and explaining what it is on his show the other night. Just drop that term already since it's nothing more than saying people believe in lies.
Kai Dracon
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The media has latched onto "post truth", I suspect, because it just loves having new trends to talk about and fill up the 24 hour news cycle. Sadly, even otherwise sane and informed pundits and commentators fall victim to the same thing. They often don't stop to consider whether a buzzword really represents something new or different.
Ultimately it all seems to fall under the general super category of magical thinking. In this case, it is people believing that anything they disagree with must be a lie, because the only things that are true support their existing beliefs and never contradict them.
It's more or less a simple failure of capacity for critical thinking, and I honestly think a lot of it stems from poor education. There's a reason that, in some southern states, the GOP specifically says critical thinking is a dangerous thing to teach children because it leads them to questioning "fixed beliefs". Their wording, not mine.
The internet is an incredibly dangerous place for people who have never even heard of the most basic principles of critical thinking yet are living their lives making judgments on everything they see. An excellent example was a women I saw interviewed who had gotten burned by her anti-vax beliefs. Her child got sick. When she explained herself, she said she had done plenty of research on the Internet, but admitted the only information she searched for was that claimed vaccines cause autism. She refused to read anything that said they did not. Why? It simply never occurred to her. Someone told her something that scared her as a parent and her only thought was to confirm her fear so that she could see just how afraid she should be. Not whether she should be afraid at all.
Ultimately it all seems to fall under the general super category of magical thinking. In this case, it is people believing that anything they disagree with must be a lie, because the only things that are true support their existing beliefs and never contradict them.
It's more or less a simple failure of capacity for critical thinking, and I honestly think a lot of it stems from poor education. There's a reason that, in some southern states, the GOP specifically says critical thinking is a dangerous thing to teach children because it leads them to questioning "fixed beliefs". Their wording, not mine.
The internet is an incredibly dangerous place for people who have never even heard of the most basic principles of critical thinking yet are living their lives making judgments on everything they see. An excellent example was a women I saw interviewed who had gotten burned by her anti-vax beliefs. Her child got sick. When she explained herself, she said she had done plenty of research on the Internet, but admitted the only information she searched for was that claimed vaccines cause autism. She refused to read anything that said they did not. Why? It simply never occurred to her. Someone told her something that scared her as a parent and her only thought was to confirm her fear so that she could see just how afraid she should be. Not whether she should be afraid at all.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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"lies" and "white surpremacy" can't be sold as spicy new trends.
That Hypernormalization documentary is kinda wrecking my perception of the general goodness of people. It makes me depressed that we just can't change the system we are heading into (Trump's) and that this cycle must conclude before we can start again, with whatever irreversible damage has been caused attached. My biggest concern now is that people are firmly entrenched in their bubbles and the mediums to penetrate them are becoming less effective.
How to you combat a president that lies and states false statements as certainty? It's not even about being lied to, it's that a significant number know the truth but choose to ignore it because they are too disaffected with the alternative, reality. Reality is becoming too much of a burden.
I hope I can just snap out of it, but it gets harder not to just give into the despair of it all.
It's going to be a long 4-8 years.
How to you combat a president that lies and states false statements as certainty? It's not even about being lied to, it's that a significant number know the truth but choose to ignore it because they are too disaffected with the alternative, reality. Reality is becoming too much of a burden.
I hope I can just snap out of it, but it gets harder not to just give into the despair of it all.
It's going to be a long 4-8 years.
"Post-truth" to me is less a synonym for lies and more a term describing the fact that we're past the point where what's true even matters anymore.
Frankly I'm having trouble coping with the fact that it's functionally impossible to debunk anything anymore because so many people just don't fucking care if something's true or not. I don't even know how to function under such a paradigm, let alone how to combat it. It'd be one thing if it were limited to the lunatic fringe, but it's gone full-blown mainstream and I genuinely don't think there's any getting the genie back in the bottle.
Frankly I'm having trouble coping with the fact that it's functionally impossible to debunk anything anymore because so many people just don't fucking care if something's true or not. I don't even know how to function under such a paradigm, let alone how to combat it. It'd be one thing if it were limited to the lunatic fringe, but it's gone full-blown mainstream and I genuinely don't think there's any getting the genie back in the bottle.
Exactly what I perceive it as. Truth, fact, expert opinion, none of it seems to matter anymore. The thing is, at some point we will in fact have to reconcile with the reality of ignoring these things.
davepoobond
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"we've tried not being racist and look where it got us!"
This is how I think of "post-truth" as well.
I think that, in this reality where what's true really doesn't matter to a shockingly large group of people, truth can no longer be the standard. Representation has to take it's place. And, again, that burden is on the media.
The media may not be able to control what Americans regard as true, but they CAN control what gets represented. What they give airtime to. A big failing of the media this election cycle was that they gave equal ground to truth and lies, and that's just grossly irresponsible. Who gives a fuck what the average dumb-as-fuck American thinks; if you know something to be a blatant untruth, do not report on it as though it is truth.
Sure I get that the word has a more specific usage. However, if somebody is rejecting the truth about, then they are accepting a lie. For example, we don't tell the anti-vaccine people that they're "post-truth". We tell them as it is, that they are believing lies. Apply that to everything that people would rather believe in something emotionally than the truth.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I wonder what person is stupid enough to buy into this meme.
This meme creator almost seems to be searching for the dumbest people possible by seeing who believes this meme.
This meme creator almost seems to be searching for the dumbest people possible by seeing who believes this meme.
Oh, I think we all know the answer to that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Alexander Hamilton explains why Trump not selling off his businesses before becoming president has a chance to destroy America.
This was tweeted by... Donald Trump in 2013.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/312304570086862849
It has to be the most hardcore of the hardcore who would believe this. I think even someone that thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster would be skeptical about this meme.
This was tweeted by... Donald Trump in 2013.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/312304570086862849
It has to be the most hardcore of the hardcore who would believe this. I think even someone that thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster would be skeptical about this meme.
aspiegamer
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Though lies should be called out as lies, "post-truth" is a cultural mindset and a term worth using in reasonable contexts. It's a depressing evolution of truthiness from a decade ago. Individual truthiness expanded across the masses and focused in specific areas, curated by entities that have no qualms filling the world with bullshit. Those leading the charge have, unfortunately, become the next presidential administration.
How do we place the inherent misogyny in the alt-right formula? Agree that the dominant message has turned racist (and that racism should be called out as racism), but ideology against women and cultural frustration with the LBGT community seem to come with the package quite often.
How do we place the inherent misogyny in the alt-right formula? Agree that the dominant message has turned racist (and that racism should be called out as racism), but ideology against women and cultural frustration with the LBGT community seem to come with the package quite often.
RastaMentality
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Trump's fraud settlement is in the corner on NYT': website and their front page today. Double standards surrounding us this year.
Or maybe they're just terrified of Trump.
Or maybe they're just terrified of Trump.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Why do Trump dumbfucks always say "well, we're spending this money on X,Y,Z to help minorities when we could be spending it helping homeless vets!"
... Trump doesn't want to spend any money on homeless vets.
... Trump doesn't want to spend any money on homeless vets.
Bounceounce
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Language can't evolve?
Alt-Right is synonymous with those terms with a new edge to reflect this specific group which isn't the same as every white supremacist segment, and I've never seen anyone on the left use it any way not to reflect it's repulsiveness.
This site is the only place I've seen people complain about it "normalizing" anything.
I think alt-right just feels "safer" than, for instance, "fascism," or "Nazism". Less shocking. But, on the flip-side, neither fascism nor Nazism were explicitly anti-women, anti-feminism, or anti-LGBTQ, though this is most likely due to the 1930s/40s being implicitly all those things anyway. It does mean that we need to think of terminology "better", and push educating people - "Do you know what the alt-right is? It's not just anti-Jew, it's anti-women..." etc.
Though this should be a job for the media, I honestly don't trust them to really ram down people's throats in an honest way what the alt-right stands for. At least, not til it's too late... Which it almost is.
Of course language can (and does) evolve. Not all evolution is a net bonus.
Armoured Priest
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Didn't see if this was shared... I think its pertinent.
https://twitter.com/page_branson/status/800116442456883201
202-225-0600 also works.
https://twitter.com/page_branson/status/800116442456883201
202-225-0600 also works.
shinra-bansho
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I guess in an era were the truth no longer matters, a stupid unscientific phone survey is as good a reason as any to take away healthcare from millions of people.
Link? I'm burning all my free articles looking for it 😩
New York Times - Donald Trump Meeting Suggests He Is Keeping Up His Business Ties
Trump took a meeting this week with Indian real estate partners to discuss expanding the relationship now that he'll be president. Shit is ridiculous.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/us/politics/a-trump-tower-view-of-the-new-boss.html
aspiegamer
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His international business matters! Another things that barely came up during the campaign and the media didn't make any effort to discuss. Trump has a history of doing deals overseas with people that end up bankrupt and/or in jail.
If an extremely polite critique about inclusion that included a specific call no not jeer the man has Trump this upset, we're fucked. And of course it's Trump mad and not Pence. That man knew what he was walking into and will wish all protests against the new administration will be so formal. Trump seems likely to blow a gasket every time someone boos him and lord help us.
If an extremely polite critique about inclusion that included a specific call no not jeer the man has Trump this upset, we're fucked. And of course it's Trump mad and not Pence. That man knew what he was walking into and will wish all protests against the new administration will be so formal. Trump seems likely to blow a gasket every time someone boos him and lord help us.
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nature boy
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The joke's on everyone focused on his tweets and not his settlement/conflicts of interest/shady picks
Guileless
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This is unnecessarily pessimistic. If inflation and the deficit spike because of the proposed huge stimulus spending and general malaise in the markets about uncertainty, the Tea Party types will lose their minds and make life hell for him like they did for Boehner.
And if the economy deteriorates (even if it's only tangentially related to anything Trump actually does), he will be on a short leash with the electorate and the Republican caucus.
Out of curiousity... What happens if it becomes obvious Trump is breaking the Title of Nobility Clause in the Constitution? Does it still require impeachment proceedings by Congress? Or is there some other recourse? It seems hellishly unlikely the GOP will impeach straight away, and the longer they leave it, the more Trump will break rules, and the more it'll be normalised.
Hillary must be alternately laughing and weeping at how stupid voters are.
Hillary must be alternately laughing and weeping at how stupid voters are.
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