RastaMentality
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i vividly recall far left ppl posting Breitbart and other far right sites just because they were anti hillary. the far right sites are definitely bigger!
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A week ago I thought Trump had a ceiling of 40% because white women would abandon him in the voting booth
I know nothing
UltimaPooh
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Agreed.
Probably have to let it go... But I would say lets promote ways of minorities being able to freely get them. Everyone should have guns!
That might change a few opinions of the WWC or out a good portion of them who are racists.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Gun Control messaging and goals need to be retrofitted, much like how Kander did it.
UltimaPooh
Member
Kander also did an awesome job at this. We should get him out there training all Dems on how to assemble an AR-15 blindfolded. Also give all Dems an AR-15.
Not even squeaky clean, a scandal or two can be fine depending on the content of the scandal and amount of charisma the candidate has. Remember that Bill could get away with damn near anything in the 90's, everyone just loved him unconditionally.
This might come as a shock, but most minorities don't want guns anywhere near their neighborhoods.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Kander was great, a shame he didn't win his election.
Yeah, the way he handled guns(I'm not going to take them away, I just want to implement background checks so terrorists won't get their hand on them) was pretty good.
Yeah, enough charisma trumps scandals.
That was pre-internet era though. The game has changed
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's not really that, it's that he showed he had respect for guns, but simultaneously want more backgrounds checks which is a very popular position. It disarms (lol) people who are used to more hardline gun messaging.
UltimaPooh
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I am aware.
I know. I live in Missouri. I am saying we should get out there and do that across the nation.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Most gun control policy suggested by Dems is extremely popular (background checks on gun purchases get like 84% approval from Republicans in deep red states), it's just that the politicians proposing them don't seem like they use guns.
I think the gun control policies other than assault weapons bans are very popular and politically useful, more Dems just need to look like they use guns. Hillary and Obama are nerds.
I think the gun control policies other than assault weapons bans are very popular and politically useful, more Dems just need to look like they use guns. Hillary and Obama are nerds.
Not as much as you'd think. Obama's done some shit as president but no one really cares.
eddievanclaylen
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I'm not a gun guy. I'd much rather there be no guns, but I'm highly contemplating buying one just to protect myself from all the other people that have some already.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Man, it would be awesome if we could aggressively put forth politicians in different states that knew how to address the local constituency with the full backing and resources of the DNC. Some sort of...strategy, that would apply to all fifty states
I wonder what we'd call it
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Basically, until we can move beyond guns and get enough support to get rid of the 2nd amendment, I think a wiser strategy for the entire dem party is smartly moderating a tad on gun issues. Ditch issues that won't do much in the first place (Assault Weapons Bans for example).
UltimaPooh
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This is some messaging I would use in a pro gun Dem world.
Statistically, you're more likely to hurt yourself with that gun than by anyone else with a gun. I mean, get one if you want to, I don't really care, but you should definitely do your research first. Not only on the statistics of stuff like that, but also how to handle and store it properly. If you aren't going to get a proper gun safe then don't bother though.
Jon Stewart speaking on a panel.
"In truth, how different is it, really?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coIKUVJuRY8
Edit: Actually not sure when this took place.
"In truth, how different is it, really?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coIKUVJuRY8
Edit: Actually not sure when this took place.
Pigeon banned.
Hopefully only temp...This needs to be a mantra for everyone good, though - "How much will you fight white nationalism this year? How much will you fight sexism and old white guys attempts to control women's bodies this year?"
I flip-flop on this, and this is a large part of the way forward.
On the one-hand, so many Hillary ads were about how bad Trump was, and Hillary's message at the debates and later ads was how good she was, for men, women, children, families. It really was a vote on the goodness of America and its people. WWC failed this test and voted for an awful human being.
On the other hand, we've got to accept that people are varying degrees of racist and sexist, and uneducated on top of that. If a racist says "I can get your jobs back", then the diet racists are going to be torn between goodness and jobs. Yes, it was a lie, but people are selfish and uneducated and an easy message to swallow is better than a complicated one involving retraining.
The CNN article from last night says a lot:
That's Clinton's campaign saying essentially the same thing as a lot of other people here - you can't appeal to racists when a racist is running, and all the WWC is racist.
Human traits are not black-and-white. Witness the GOP who were appalled by Pussygate, but could only relate it to women in their lives... Because they're sexist, but only when it's women they don't personally know. I know people are horrified by this, but people are not wholly good or wholly bad, and we have to admit that the kinda-bad people (the ones who could be saved) are the ones that are needed, both to win, and to move the future forward, socially.
Time for Kanderizing.
That's from May.
Holeeeeee shit.
Meth is a helluva drug.
Trump is traveling the world feeding starving children. Mmm hmm, riiiiight.
Edit: It's from an MSNBC reporter.
UltimaPooh
Member
Jeez. That really brings it into perspective... His racist and sexist attitudes are all fine because he fed the children! Guess he's not so bad after all.
Slackerish
Member
Think? He would have.
Thanks!
I still haven't read a good argument for why a white Jewish guy who's been in politics for 30 years would win against an anti-establishment, antisemitic, alt-right ticket with at least two neo-Nazi's helping to run the campaign. The (((Globalists))) adverts write themselves, and he would never win the hardcore racists (which is all the WWC, right guys? /s).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This was the first day I've had an appetite since Tuesday.
So there's that. Managed to eat food today.
So there's that. Managed to eat food today.
UltimaPooh
Member
What did you get?
CreepingFear
Member
I'm the opposite, when I'm stressed and disgusted like this I eat everything in sight. I'll go back to my diet and exercise after this weekend.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Pizzzzzaaaaa.
excelsiorlef
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Fuck yeah bud <3
UltimaPooh
Member
Yeaaaaa that's the best returning appetite food.
America
Awesome to hear ^_^ What kind of pizza did you get?
I'm the same way; I'm hoping to get back on track this weekend.
GoldenEye 007
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This loss isn't about just this election. It was the culmination of a systemic failure of Democrats not having a true ground operation and understanding of the electorate over the years and decades.
This is a party that lost some governorships to deep blue states. A party that does horribly consistently in state and local level races. Loses the majority of governorships, etc.
It was not just about 3 states this election that Hillary failed to win. But the reasons for those states flipping red are simply the result of ignoring them for so long, taking them for granted, and allowing a loudmouth to operate in a vacuum unchecked. This was a long-time coming for Dems as you look back.
This is a party that lost some governorships to deep blue states. A party that does horribly consistently in state and local level races. Loses the majority of governorships, etc.
It was not just about 3 states this election that Hillary failed to win. But the reasons for those states flipping red are simply the result of ignoring them for so long, taking them for granted, and allowing a loudmouth to operate in a vacuum unchecked. This was a long-time coming for Dems as you look back.
Obama's team went top-down, but that just straight up doesn't work.
It needs top-down and bottom-up. Bernie has shown that young people can be interested in politics and activism, which is why 1) the Bernie or Bust people are dicks, because politics isn't just about one special candidate, and 2) the people who are still around after this election need to be put to use, in whatever way they can. Get them into the party as registered members, get them preaching, get them into office, even.
Top down works once every 4 years. The other 3 are a problem.
CrimzonSamurai
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Watching "Back to the Future" and subtle snipes are hitting so hard.
In one scene:
Doc: "Who's the President in 1985?"
Marty: "Ronald Reagan."
Doc: "The actor?!"
10 Minutes later:
Doc: "No wonder your President in the future is an actor, he's got to look good on television all the time."
In one scene:
Doc: "Who's the President in 1985?"
Marty: "Ronald Reagan."
Doc: "The actor?!"
10 Minutes later:
Doc: "No wonder your President in the future is an actor, he's got to look good on television all the time."
Serious question: How well is governmental structure and procedure taught in US schools? Because I cannot understand how the Dems mid-term performance is so hit-and-miss, when so much law and legislation that affects the local-level is done through Congress and Senate. So many Dem causes would be easier to sell to young people through local legislature. The Republican Presidential nominee campaigns on so little compared to the Democrats.
UltimaPooh
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I agree we need to go bottom up.
But in 4 years we're gonna need to throw somebody into the ring.
Because organizing Dems is like herding cats.
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