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Please let's not do this. No coronations. Judge the primary candidates on the primary. Clinton picked Kaine as VP in July 2015. Look how that turned out.
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Please let's not do this. No coronations. Judge the primary candidates on the primary. Clinton picked Kaine as VP in July 2015. Look how that turned out.
It IS that way. Bernie got people scapegoating "Wall Street". Trump got them scapegoating minorities. Marx got them scapegoating the "Bourgeoisie". It's how it works.
Remember what was the basis of these types of far-right Euro parties Nationalism + Socialism.
The GOP is going to prevent the other part of the formula from coming into play (thankfully) and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot in the process. Trump's racist + social welfare/infrastructure is frightening. But the GOP and their 1% perspective will not entertain the latter.
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It's not scapegoating when you attack the 1%. It's true.
Isaac Otherworld
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The difference is that is an accurate depiction of reality.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I wouldn't mind Kander as a VP candidate for Kamala Harris.
But mostly I want him to fuck me, hrnnnnggg.
Hopefully elections aren't canceled in 2020!
But mostly I want him to fuck me, hrnnnnggg.
Hopefully elections aren't canceled in 2020!
And yelling at it does nothing. See: Occupy.
You have to gain power, then regulate and harness its power (aka taxes) to help use it as an engine for the country.
A Human Becoming
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When is adam coming back? 😢
Let him enjoy his marriage.
We all know tarrifs arent coming. If they do come, the trade war will throw us into recession.
The dem playbook should be simple. Allow ACA to come to a vote and sacrifice it. It isn't great, and the GOP will only make it worse. Then follow the GOP obstruction playbook. Done.
Either McConnell has the balls to nuke the filibuster and allow Ryan to privatize SS and Medicare or he will let obstruction be a viable tactic.
Sirpopopop
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Why would he come back?
He's just going to get harassment from the Bernie crowd crowing, "YAAAAS QUEEN" at him.
He needs to stay away.
This searching for a savior is pathetic. The savior lies in state level politics.
You're going to have a hard time telling the under 30 vote that embraced Sanders for doing exactly that - people that experienced 08 and graduated into it - that they're wrong to feel that way.
This country does have a problem with the 1% and wages not rising. Moral authority is great but it can only carry you so far in a general.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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My volunteer group leader is crying right now at this meeting
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Uhh, I agree?
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I think it's a mistake to dismiss protests. The difference between Occupy and Tea Party was institutional support. One fizzled out and one turned into a potent political movement.
They're going to overplay their hand.
Sirpopopop
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The issue isn't moral authority, it's the need to win elections in order to grasp power and use it to reshape the world.
That'll depend on protest persistence -- can't go down quietly
I never said coronoation, I just feel he should run as a primary candidate and prove himself. However, we need a good bench
And yes, Kamala Harris would be great too.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The best case scenario is for Paul Ryan to push hard for Medicare privatization before getting shut down by McConnell.
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Right, and the point is populism wins elections. As ever just saw.
So many people are going to die for nothing.
Also what's more terrifying is that he is no doubt NOT qualified to run DHS.
VendettaRed07
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I don't know if it is even possible for the popular vote and the electoral vote to be as split right now as it currently is.
We can never ever again have such a divisive election.
Ever.
We can never ever again have such a divisive election.
Ever.
Party support and organizational money are what focused the tea party. If you think the left is too stupid to do that, then we might as well give up now.
Democratic party and money from the left need to be bussing people out to these protests and helping to formalize political agendas and plans to get people elected (as well as keeping the protests themselves structured, productive, and peaceful so the general public isn't turned off). Otherwise, it really will be like another Occupy where young, engaged voters get disenchanted with the dems and we stay losing because we can't get people energized.
It's going to get worse. Rural areas are dying. Cities are growing. And the EC screws over cities.
VendettaRed07
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Well it will only get worse if we continue the strategy of "forget rural areas and run up the score in large cities".
It's pretty clear that will not work going forward.
Even if you pay attention to them, you can't fight the future. Their jobs aren't coming back.
They don't want new. They want the old to come back.
VendettaRed07
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I'm not saying "win" these areas.. but we can try and make it so we don't get blown the fuck out.
Hillary did nothing to mitigate the losses in rural areas. And ignored Bill's advice to even try.
It's like the GOP's strategy with Latinos in Florida.. They lost them by a lot but they won just enough to compensate
And that's fine. You just have to let them fight it out when they run.
cartoon_soldier
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What we need first is for Comey to not be the FBI director in 2020.
They might even overplay it before inauguration... Trump children in charge of transition, lobbyists already getting in there, Trump flip-flopping on ACA, ignoring the wall, and Carrier still moving.
I mean, if it weren't so horrifying, it would be genuinely funny.
VendettaRed07
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I don't think he would because a lot of people are going to draw the wrong conclusions from this election.
The 2020 primary is gonna be a god damn clown car of like 20 candidates. Think Kander would get Kasich'ed
how is that possible. He would be kept alive because he played a part in Trump's victory/
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I think this is a reasonably good prediction.
Four_Chamber
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If we get to 2020 and look to have a deep bench, that is a GOOD problem to have. I think the difference between that and the GOP clown car last year is that we (hopefully) won't have wastes of space like Bobby Jindal up there. If we have a slate of qualified candidates debating I'll be elated. I don't know who its going to be but I want them to earn votes.
Agree with Crab here. No more "it's X candidate's turn" nominations
Let the people decide in a fair competition.
Could Obama run for DNC chair? Or would that be weird
Dubbedinenglish
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Him and Ellison should work together. Would help with the part timer fear and give the name recognition. Plus Obama coming on every weekend to put up Dem talking points to the media would be a great asset.
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I don't think he'd be good at it. One of Obama's few real flaws is his lack of interest in party machinations. There are no "Obamaites" in the Democratic Party, no real clique with any significant strength. Cesare can probably attest to this.
CrimzonSamurai
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He's already said his main focus will be the National Democratic Redistricting Committee
Carpe Libertatem
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A 39 year old Jason Kander in 2020 is going to run for the Governor's mansion in Missouri, nothing else.
Expecting and hoping for anything else is ridiculous. He has a bright future in Democratic politics - I've always thought so since he ran for SoS in 2012. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Expecting and hoping for anything else is ridiculous. He has a bright future in Democratic politics - I've always thought so since he ran for SoS in 2012. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Also true.
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A lot can happen in four years, so let's not rule out any possibility.
Obama definitely needs to be involved in the DNC, but I think a lot of the Bernie wing wouldn't like him. My ideal thing would be Keith Ellison as full-time chair, Howard Dean as vice-chair, and Reid and Obama working as top-level advisers.
Also, as a sidenote, I feel bad for Michelle. We all knew Obama was going to get back out there eventually, even if Hillary won. But I think both of them were expecting to take some time off for a bit. But Obama has to get back out there almost immediately and Michelle isn't going to get the vacation with her husband that she's been hoping for.
I adore Kander but I agree with this. He needs to win another state-level election first and if he does, especially one like governor, he is primed for political superstardom.
ShironRedshift
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It would be kinda weird, yeah. And I wouldn't really want him in that position. He's too nice to Republicans, too conciliatory. Too much attempting to reach across the aisle, despite it biting him in the ass every time (and being nice to people like Comey and picking compromise choices like that having the effect of hurting his party over all and Clinton specifically as well, though of course there was no way he could have known that at the time, none of us could, it still shows the flaws in philosophy he follows by not willing to fire back in return and just putting himself in a spot where he's stuck playing the same role he started). In short, he's too nice of a guy and too full of hope. Whoever we pick has to be willing to get dirty if necessary. And that's not Barack. I just can't trust his judgment with the mistakes he made in that regard.
VendettaRed07
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I also believe one wrong assumption we can make going forward is preparing to go against Trump again.
Even if there isn't a scandal that kills him, or things go smoother than predicted and he just spends a lot of time of vacation or whatever. I highly doubt he goes through this again. He'll be 74 and will get to go out "winning", by opting out of reelection and spend those remaining years just doing something else.
That however leaves the door open for another Republican. And going from Trump to literally anyone else, it will be physically impossible to paint literally whatever they say as being "racist or sexist", or whatever. Everyone will look like a damn saint in comparison. Especially if they course correct and go with John Kasich if he runs again. We are going to have to be very smart at how we move forward and anticipate the GOP itself pulling a complete 180 after just four years.
Even if there isn't a scandal that kills him, or things go smoother than predicted and he just spends a lot of time of vacation or whatever. I highly doubt he goes through this again. He'll be 74 and will get to go out "winning", by opting out of reelection and spend those remaining years just doing something else.
That however leaves the door open for another Republican. And going from Trump to literally anyone else, it will be physically impossible to paint literally whatever they say as being "racist or sexist", or whatever. Everyone will look like a damn saint in comparison. Especially if they course correct and go with John Kasich if he runs again. We are going to have to be very smart at how we move forward and anticipate the GOP itself pulling a complete 180 after just four years.
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