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PoliGAF 2016 |OT2| we love the poorly educated

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sangreal

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Teggy said:
LOL, Trump posted his clip from the other day where he supposedly disavowed David Duke. The half-assed response where he hardly even seemed like he was paying attention.
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he should just put out a new statement because pointing to this or his old comments during the pat buchanan run only serves to raise questions on wtf he was doing when he pretended he didn't know who David Duke is this morning

and I think the answer to that (pandering to white supremacists) is not a good luck -- even white supremacists know you're supposed to pretend to not be on their side, like ron paul
 
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Crocodile

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Plinko said:
Agreed. It probably is his only shot right now.

It didn't get much play the other day, but I found Reince Priebus's statement that the GOP was "the most diverse party" because of their candidates was absolutely hilarious.

"Hey--in this sample of 5 people compared to that sample of 2 democrats, we are CLEARLY the more diverse party!"
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The Republican Party could actually be a diverse party too if its language and actual policies weren't so damn racist. That they don't realize this or do realize this and don't care is just mind-melting to me and always has been. Southern Strategy ain't going to work forever.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Rubio getting better crowds and enthusiasm at least. I think there were voters waiting for someone to get to Trump and Rubio did that, will help him for sure.

3000 people in VA for him.
 
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Basileus777

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Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538
In the primaries, Trump skeptics could fairly be accused of magical thinking. Needed polls to change. Opposite true for general election.
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Nate's throwing himself under the bus. Magical thinking, hah.
 
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Plumbob

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For argument's sake, someone should lay out Rubio's best case using data. Where does he win, how does he get the momentum to create a brokered convention?
 
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Rubenov

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Plumbob said:
For argument's sake, someone should lay out Rubio's best case using data. Where does he win, how does he get the momentum to create a brokered convention?
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He doesn't. Unless all this racist stuff + Trump University + tax plans really hurts him in places like VA.

Right now, he could only win Minnesota, but I think after a weekend of bad publicity VA may be in play again.

Florida is a lost case. It will not go for him. Trump is solidly double digits ahead there and the racist stuff won't affect him outside the cities.
 
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Retromelon

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titiklabingapat said:
I just realized that I haven't seen daniel b post in a while. Has he maxed out his yearly budget for internet?
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His ps3 caught fire and there are no public libraries in his home state of west fartucky, because in the words of one of the congressman, "that's plain old fashioned socialism". Besides, they spent their entire budget on subsidies to the cowpat sanitation industry in the form of shovels (i hear tell its a big problem down there.)

Last I heard from Daniel B he was hitchiking across the state trying to reach east fartucky, where the recently elected blue dog governor, in an unprecedentedly liberal move and after months of filbusters and threats by the state government of shutdown, finally allocated funds for the production of public water fountains
 
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sangreal

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Crocodile said:
The Republican Party could actually be a diverse party too if its language and actual policies weren't so damn racist. That they don't realize this or do realize this and don't care is just mind-melting to me and always has been. Southern Strategy ain't going to work forever.
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their coalition completely falls apart if they cut out those elements. This election has made it clear that their coalition is not sustainable anyway but who knows if they will come to terms with that or write it off as a one-time thing
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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The popular non-racist elements of the GOP (among non-donors) are just the religious stuff.

I mean, donors really like low taxes, but the two main factions of actual voters in the GOP are super religious white people and white nationalists.

I guess they could split into a religion party and become an anti-racist party too to attract black people? That's the only party splitting path, but I'm not sure it would work.
 
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Rubenov

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Religion is only going downhill. So much so that evangelicals shunned the clearly religious dudes (Rubio and Cruz) for someone like '2 Corinthians' Trump.

A national party mostly based around religion will not go anywhere.
 
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sangreal

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The popular non-racist elements of the GOP (among non-donors) are just the religious stuff.

I mean, donors really like low taxes, but the two main factions of actual voters in the GOP are super religious white people and white nationalists.

I guess they could split into a religion party and become an anti-racist party too to attract black people? That's the only party splitting path, but I'm not sure it would work.
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What you end up with is basically the old blue dog democrats, but I don't know if that is enough to win a national election
 
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Bowdz

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thefro said:
Trump's getting creamed by the media over this David Duke thing.

Definitely will hurt him in the general.
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He has given the Dems SOOOO much material to work with. He may increase the white male demographic, but he will be destroyed just like Romney was: expand the Obama coalition.
 
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User1608

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thefro said:
Trump's getting creamed by the media over this David Duke thing.

Definitely will hurt him in the general.
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Yup. Good thing too in that it's more difficult to disassociate himself from the "racist" label, as if it weren't already. Hillary and her team better define him quick as soon as she gets the nomination. Never has a presidential candidate shot themselves faster in the foot than Trump did: He was done the moment he announced his candidacy.
 
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RastaMentality

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Is Cruz gonna win Houston? I haven't been there in 6 months to pick up on any anecdotes. It's the moderate city but the people voting in the primaries are probably conservative as hell.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Roland_Gunner said:
Not on Tuesday maybe, but he's going to need some blacks and upper-middle class whites for the general. Neither group will just forget something like this.
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"I didn't remember a ton about him when they asked me, so I had to research him. I stay away from people like that. In like a minute, when I found out who he was, I was ready to say he was a terrible person."

Problem solved.
 
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Crocodile

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Rubenov said:
Lol he just disavowed Duke. The pressure got to him.
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I'm not near a TV right now. I thought he did yesterday? Did he un-disavowed him and now disavowed him again?

thefro said:
That was an actual gaffe for Trump since it feeds into multiple bad narratives about him:

- Racist
- Panders for votes
- Not fit to think on his feet and be President.
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Those narratives about him have been true since day 1 though LOL
 
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Plumbob

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Some things on my mind:

First, I do hope Hillary's team is spending most of their time researching how to attack Marco Rubio, not Donald Trump. Low likelihood, high impact events are what you buy insurance for. It seems to me Marco "McDonald" is the establishment's last chance at taking down Trump.

Second, if Rubio is nominated it will be important to reduce the daylight between him and Trump.

Third, a snubbed Donald Trump with a plurality of delegates at the convention might be the best scenario for the Democrats. Paint the Republican party as undemocratic could impact races everywhere.

Fourth, if Donald Trump is nominated, tying his politics to other Republicans' should be the MAIN focus. Affects downticket races and creates the conditions for majorities at every level.
 
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Roland_Gunner

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Plinko said:
"I didn't remember a ton about him when they asked me, so I had to research him. I stay away from people like that. In like a minute, when I found out who he was, I was ready to say he was a terrible person."

Problem solved.
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I see the conversation going something like this:

Trump: Hey black construction worker I'm going to get rid of all those illegals who are undercutting your wages!

Persuadable black construction worker: Hmmmm....

Clinton: Are you really going to trust the guy who played footsie with the KKK?

Construction worker: .... Really?

Trump: Only for a bit! I was confused! There was confusion!

Clinton: Vote for me, the candidate who knows that the KKK is bad.

-- scene --
 
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Basileus777

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thefro said:
That was an actual gaffe for Trump since it feeds into multiple bad narratives about him:

- Racist
- Panders for votes
- Not fit to think on his feet and be President.
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It won't matter for Tuesday as undecideds aren't watching cable news, but we'll see if his Republican rivals can manage to keep it in the news beyond that.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Retromelon said:
His ps3 caught fire and there are no public libraries in his home state of west fartucky, because in the words of one of the congressman, "that's plain old fashioned socialism". Besides, they spent their entire budget on subsidies to the cowpat sanitation industry in the form of shovels (i hear tell its a big problem down there.)

Last I heard from Daniel B he was hitchiking across the state trying to reach east fartucky, where the recently elected blue dog governor, in an unprecedentedly liberal move and after months of filbusters and threats by the state government of shutdown, finally allocated funds for the production of public water fountains
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Retromelon ❤
 
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Roland_Gunner

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East Lake said:
Honestly, the general voter is probably barely aware of this stuff. He can easily shrug this off. Not that he'll win either way but this isn't some game changer.
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I'm not saying this is going to cost him like 5 points in the general but any time you have to explain your position on the KKK you're losing.
 
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