Neither was losing Georgia by the margin he did.
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Neither was losing Georgia by the margin he did.
TheLostBigBoss
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I can't believe he prevented 20,000 voters in Mass in a single location.
Did you not hear about the yuge primary turnouts?
YUGE
RustyNails
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Wolf Blitzer just said Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both had good wins tonight...
It is technically illegal, although that's not why Bernie lost
In the long game, that's kind of true. Eight months ago, nobody would have forseen him doing this strongly nationally. His chances of beating Clinton are very slim, but better than the initial projections that he would drop before Iowa.
Yoda
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It probably didn't tip the election, but it is breaking the rules. If Bernie had done the same, HRC supporters would be calling him out.
Officerrob
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Wolf pushing that dead heat between Bernie and Hillary, lol
Tranqueris
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Yep, I knew that was gonna be today's coin flip type thing to freak out about.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This is the darkest hour of the Republican party.
https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/704872953457020929
Bernie's choice to contest only fours states had to have been an implicit recognition that they weren't going to win. He's in it for optics and the appearance of being competitive, rather than actually being competitive. That lets him keep fundraising, keep giving speeches, keep talking about what matters to him.
Bernie has absolutely no path. This night was an absolute disaster for him, assuming that he actually was trying to win. But at the end of the day, only nerds know about delegate math and the importance of running up the margin in GA. Bernie gets to point at the scoreboard and say "see? I won four." And honestly, he did better than I expected. Between MN, CO, and OK, I was hoping he'd drop 1 or 2.
It kind of annoys me that he's going to keep running with no plausibly path to victory, but whatever, apparently this is something that politicians enjoy doing. I think it's important that he drop out and endorse Hillary, considering how divisive the primary has been, but apparent he wants to spend more time talking about his regressive tax plan, his pro rich people spending policies, and his Winston Churchill hero worship. He is, after all, a message candidate.
Bernie has absolutely no path. This night was an absolute disaster for him, assuming that he actually was trying to win. But at the end of the day, only nerds know about delegate math and the importance of running up the margin in GA. Bernie gets to point at the scoreboard and say "see? I won four." And honestly, he did better than I expected. Between MN, CO, and OK, I was hoping he'd drop 1 or 2.
It kind of annoys me that he's going to keep running with no plausibly path to victory, but whatever, apparently this is something that politicians enjoy doing. I think it's important that he drop out and endorse Hillary, considering how divisive the primary has been, but apparent he wants to spend more time talking about his regressive tax plan, his pro rich people spending policies, and his Winston Churchill hero worship. He is, after all, a message candidate.
RustyNails
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MA called for Hillary
The fuck?
ugaboga232
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lol regressive tax plan/pro rich people spending policies.
Basileus777
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Rubio is going to just barely clear the threshold in Tennessee. He's still below them in Texas, Alabama, and Vermont.
Just got back from my Caucus in Colorado, overall it was an amazing experience.
There were about 3000 people there, which they split into smaller precincts of about 20-100 depending on where we live.
My wife and I were in one of the smaller groups, and I was very surprised to see the amount of Bernie supporters despite being a mixed demographic that skewed older.
Democratic discussion took place from both sides, and we ended up brining over a couple of independents to our side.
There were about 3000 people there, which they split into smaller precincts of about 20-100 depending on where we live.
My wife and I were in one of the smaller groups, and I was very surprised to see the amount of Bernie supporters despite being a mixed demographic that skewed older.
Democratic discussion took place from both sides, and we ended up brining over a couple of independents to our side.
shinra-bansho
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I think it's just a random mistake. Or the NYT trolling.
So close right now, be sure to watch our debate on SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!
User 85168
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AP is calling MA for Sanders
TheLostBigBoss
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it's not Sanders, it's Clinton
CNN called it for Hills.
He's proposing expanding the payroll tax, which is regressive, and he's proposing free college tuition, which primarily benefits high income groups. Neither or those claims should be controversial.
shinra-bansho
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NYT really doesn't want to call MA for Clinton lol, it's back to being pale blue.
EDIT: Finally called, I think the mistake probably got hopes up for a moment.
Ranked first by margin then by delegates, at last check of the NYT.
Table 1. Lessons in bad Super Tuesday strategies.
EDIT: Finally called, I think the mistake probably got hopes up for a moment.
Ranked first by margin then by delegates, at last check of the NYT.
Code:
Clinton Sanders Margin Delegates Winner
Vt 14 86 72 16 Sanders
Ala 79 18 61 53 Clinton
Ga 71 28 43 102 Clinton
Ark 68 28 40 32 Clinton
Tex 66 31 35 222 Clinton
Tenn 66 33 33 67 Clinton
Va 64 35 29 95 Clinton
Minn 41 59 18 77 Sanders
Col 41 58 17 66 Sanders
Okla 42 52 10 38 Sanders
Mass 51 48 3 91 ClintonFree college tuition directly benefits those who cannot afford it. High-income groups don't need free tuition, and aren't as likely to attend university regardless.
User 85168
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AP NYT fixed it. MA for Clinton
And_Gignac
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The Guardian must be using the same feed as NYT since they also have MA for Sanders.
By the way, they have this adorable, Earthbound-like animations:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/.../01/super-tuesday-results-live-state-by-state
By the way, they have this adorable, Earthbound-like animations:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/.../01/super-tuesday-results-live-state-by-state
Yup. I did mention at the time it was the riskiest bet I've ever taken, and I did get burned for $36.
But that's okay!
Oh. Wrecked.
Giant Panda
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It would more directly target the poor if they just gave the poor money or cut their taxes.
I'd say Trump, because a near loss will have the same effect for Kasich as a near win. But another Trump win under his belt is always good on paper.
Trump. Kasich needs to be as weak as possible heading into Ohio.
Mind that Sanders' college plan is also bundled with single payer, which is probably a less fantastical aim.
User 85168
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So. With the margins being what it is on both sides, has there ever been a comeback at this scale? I'd imagine no?
We love the shit out of this site in chat. Why do you never join us?
I missed the link myself
RustyNails
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Kasich.
If Kasich drops out, his voters largely go to Rubio. We don't want that to happen, even if Trump beats Rubio head to head. It's too much of a risk, as a lot of late deciders break for Rubio.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Wolff Blitzer is trying to sit Ted Cruz down.
Hillary's up by 213 delegates in the current estimate---could this go up? The estimates only cover around 650 delegates so 400 are unallocated. (When MA was called she gained 3 delegates.) It's hard to tell at a glance because MN for example has 0 allocated, but TX has around 90 unallocated still.
Seriously, who do you think spends more on tuition, the kid going to community college, or the one going to a state flagship? Who do you think came from the wealthier family, who stands to earn more over the course of their life? Free college tuition is a regressive policy. Fortunately the US has recently been more focused on expanding progressive policies like the Pell Grant program
Where do you get the idea that high income groups are less likely to attend university?
Kasich is not dropping until Ohio, and he's a real threat to win Ohio, so we need him as marginalized as possible.
Ohio is winner takes all. It's a huge deal.
Do you not realize that income is the biggest reason students choose community college over a four-year institution? High income groups generally attend private universities, which wouldn't be affected by such a tuition plan. This really cannot be denied.
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