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Now it's Donald Trump with a giant koch.
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Now it's Donald Trump with a giant koch.
Coriolanus
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Their belief is that Bernie can be easily destroyed with Joe McCenter voters via Better Dead Than Red fears. Plus they been trying to destroy hills for some 20 years and failed, might as well have a go at the new guy, can't possibly fare worse against him.
Mrs. Manky
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It's like Shadrack and Meshack without Abednego (would've been O'Malley). But yeah, I think that both of them should come out just fine. Clinton has been through worse, and Sanders will probably peel a few Trump fans off.
Considering how many astronauts are from Ohio, I think that moon loan is more likely than the Washington loan.
Mostly this is not the concern. This is just about median voter stuff. So, assume that we can situate everybody on one political axis and that voters go for the candidate closest to them (obviously it's more complicated than this but this is easy to visualize). Sanders is to the left of Clinton - that's a lot of why his supporters like him! There are a group of voters who are to Clinton's right but to the left of the eventual Republican nominee. Some of these voters - the ones who are just barely closer to Clinton than the Republican - will vote for Clinton over the Republican but will vote for the Republican over Sanders. Therefore Sanders expects fewer votes than Clinton against a given Republican. This isn't about strong Clinton supporters deciding to let the country burn if they can't get their woman. This is about people totally rationally, given their preferences, switching parties because Sanders is too far left for them.
And note that the majority of voters in the actual presidential election will not have been very engaged with politics during the primaries. For example, in the 2012 election about 1.5 million people voted in Iowa, which is a swing state with a very important primary. About 350 thousand people voted in the Iowa caucuses this time around. I expect that the difference is even greater in states other than Iowa and New Hampshire. The relatively passion-less make up a large share of the electorate.
I stole this and used a modified version elsewhere.
User 463088
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My concerns about Bernie in a general are a bit complicated. Firstly, the socialist thing. It would be a problem, and every single commercial against him would be "Better dead than red" for months on end. There was a story a few weeks ago about a focus group where the GOP was able to destroy people's perceptions of him by showing something. Details were scares, but it would be super easy to tie him to communism. I don't think most voters are smart enough to notice the difference.
As the primary has gone on, I'm worried about his demographic problems. I'm sure most Democrats would fall in line, but, at this point, I don't know if Hillary's success among specific groups is that they just prefer her or if they don't like Bernie. His unfavorables among AA voters tend to be (but are not always) higher than hers. I'm worried he'd have a turn out problem, especially when his whole shtick has been about a revolution that (so far) not enough people are showing up for.
His campaign is also terribad. Like really, really bad. They've shown they're unable to adapt to shit. An October surprise, and who knows what Weaver and Levine would do.
I mean none of this matters I only bothered to explain because my hair color is setting.
As the primary has gone on, I'm worried about his demographic problems. I'm sure most Democrats would fall in line, but, at this point, I don't know if Hillary's success among specific groups is that they just prefer her or if they don't like Bernie. His unfavorables among AA voters tend to be (but are not always) higher than hers. I'm worried he'd have a turn out problem, especially when his whole shtick has been about a revolution that (so far) not enough people are showing up for.
His campaign is also terribad. Like really, really bad. They've shown they're unable to adapt to shit. An October surprise, and who knows what Weaver and Levine would do.
I mean none of this matters I only bothered to explain because my hair color is setting.
User 463088
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yeah, he spent it all on some data scam instead of building a field organization. you get what you pay for.
I giggled. hehe
apparently campaigning on war crimes isn't recommended.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The GOPe has 11 days to stop Trump and save their careers, so it's fine to waste a day or two doing nothing, right?
QuiteWhittle
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Just needs to randomly retweet white supremacists every few days.
HUELEN10
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I still don't want to vote for him, he's a racist... but I'd be lying if I'd say there aren't thing I see eye to eye on or really like about him, some things that him and Sanders have in common as well, like being anti-TPP.
It's getting emotional and conflicting.
Complete nonsense.
Coriolanus
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Looking around, it certainly seems possible. The job switches parties a lot. You'll most likely need some sort of blue dog, evidently, but given how popular brownback is, democrats certainly have a chance.
User 463088
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Well, he's running against the entire Democratic party so.....
Well, Brownback was also a disaster in 2014, and somehow, they still re-elected him.
HUELEN10
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No he's not.
Captain Pants
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I saw this while I was out on a jog tonight. I have this perception of Boise as being this beautiful progressive oasis in the desert of right wing nuttery that is Idaho, and usually I can't go a day or two without something shattering that perception.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Brownback got booed as he introduced Rubio today, lol.
Kansas lost 4k jobs in January according to the report today.
Kansas lost 4k jobs in January according to the report today.
Coriolanus
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About that
Son, you give up before you even try? You gon lose.
other stuff in the link, fwiw. If you put in the effort and the previous guy has been terrible enough, you might just get JBE 2.0.
Good. Fuck both of them. All those lost jobs are probably teachers fleeing across borders.
User 463088
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Is he a Bernie Sanders endorsee?
he running against DWS.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I saw a lanky Mexican gentleman wearing a Confederate flag cap here in Northern, Almost-Wisconsin Illinois today, while I was at work. Life is weird.
HUELEN10
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I know I have said it before, but there are some hispanics, even Mexican Americans, who are voting Trump in a general if Hilary gets it solely for the reason of him not being a woman.
It's sad and sexist, but not unheard of.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bobby Jindal should probably never work anywhere again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mic-disaster-louisianas-governor-left-behind/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mic-disaster-louisianas-governor-left-behind/
Dominican Power
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It wasn't a special, just a segment on Chris Hayes' show.
Oh ok, shows how much I watch MSNBC
Dominican Power
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Those idiots deserve to surfer eternally under Republican rule.
User 463088
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Oh okay. Thank you. I feel like I knew this at some point but I don't pay attention to Fl politics anymore.
Sort of wish he was still in the race to get this thrown at him every debate
A Human Becoming
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I want a new Florida poll. Last one was February 24th.
and that is?
Tesseract
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Whoa man, that's unnecessary
RustyNails
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Well, bumps ahead.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Yeah! I thought that sign was appropriate.
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