RustyNails
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Lol, as if those $50m in ads from Right to Rise PAC halted Trump.
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He even had the never-before-seen political machine behind him, just like JFK.
Obama was absolutely modern Kennedy, only better in every single way.
Roland_Gunner
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Sure is nice of those folks to fund Phase I of the Clinton campaign. Hope they get a nice letter or something. Maybe a signed photograph.
User 463088
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This guy outlines why I also thought Bernie lost the debate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw
My number one policy in terms of long-term goals is the establishment of a citizen's wage -- a living wage paid directly to every person in America by the government. People would be free to work normally and earn more money, although there would probably be a pretty significant tax on income outside of the citizen's wage.
I don't expect significant price issues as a result, but it's not implausible that you would want price controls on food and shelter, or to pay at least some of that wage in kind rather than cash.
My expectation is that this would do a lot of the work in terms of correcting the imbalance in the free market towards rentiers. Companies who currently pay minimum wage would very likely have to change their jobs and strategies or simply not be able to employ people to do those jobs. People who wanted to pursue their own businesses or ambitions would be free to chase their dreams without worrying about starving to death. This would no doubt increase our rate of technological progress, creating more wealth, as well as developing a healthy American culture.
Of course this would also resolve our fundamental national failure to fulfill our moral responsibility to feed and clothe every American. (Every person really but that's kind of a longer-term problem.)
I'd also like to build a stronger universal healthcare system on top of the existing system. A public option would be a good start.
BoboBrazil
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Right To Rise was mostly against Rubio though.
RustyNails
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Just fuck the KKK.
Roland_Gunner
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Until around three weeks ago Trump had been the target of 3% of the negative GOP ads. Its one of the things that masked his weaknesses as a candidate.
Poodlestrike
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I think tonight's debate sort of demonstrated why Bernie fan's thirst for (and anger at the DNC over a lack of) more debates is kind of misplaced. Bernie's a solid debater, but he's definitely not in the kind of tier he'd need for a debate to pick him up significantly more support than Hillary does.
Macho Madness
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As per usual, the Queen slayed on substance.
But sometimes substance is a hard sell. Even when it's right.
"Yes, even some of our biggest corporations need credit support from the government to be competitive on the global marketplace. This actually protects jobs back home."
Isn't as instantly palatable as, "NO BAILOUTS FOR THE BILLIONAIRES."
The more I hear Bernie talk the more I'm convinced that his hard stances on certain issues are just a smoke screen for not being well-versed on them.
Not only that, but his behavior tonight was despicable. There's no other word for it. Cutting off Hillary while shouting at her to let him speak. The finger waving. The annoying facial expressions aimed at Anderson while she was talking. Cutting off moderators and members of the audience before they even finish their questions. Very poor showing from him.
But sometimes substance is a hard sell. Even when it's right.
"Yes, even some of our biggest corporations need credit support from the government to be competitive on the global marketplace. This actually protects jobs back home."
Isn't as instantly palatable as, "NO BAILOUTS FOR THE BILLIONAIRES."
The more I hear Bernie talk the more I'm convinced that his hard stances on certain issues are just a smoke screen for not being well-versed on them.
Not only that, but his behavior tonight was despicable. There's no other word for it. Cutting off Hillary while shouting at her to let him speak. The finger waving. The annoying facial expressions aimed at Anderson while she was talking. Cutting off moderators and members of the audience before they even finish their questions. Very poor showing from him.
Mrs. Manky
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CNN's headline on one of the videos is "White people can't know what it's like to live in a ghetto" with a big picture of Bernie underneath...linking to the video in question of him saying that shit.
That'll play well.
And I'm watching Race to the White House too.
Oh good lord. He...chose poorly. Tell Eminem he doesn't know what it's like to live in the ghetto.
Sanders should have just stopped with saying that white people don't know what it's like to be black. But he had to go the ghetto (which ties into his economic stance, of course). But he had to keep going. Now he's pissed off poor white people /and/ well to do black people.
ugaboga232
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I love the guy but hes a shit debater (which is ok, I am probably worse) and a bad candidate optics wise. Put him in a charismatic young male body (think obama) and I think he would be doing a lot better (maybe not enough to beat clinton but she is a damn good candidate). Oh well, single payer healthcare can wait I guess (don't tell the people who don't have insurance or are underinsuranced that CHF is treatable and preventable).
Also i bet most people who thought sanders or clinton won probably liked them coming in, bias is a real thing lol
Poodlestrike
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MASSACHUSETTS: The Heart of Dixie.
BoboBrazil
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How can he say this when it can immediately be flipped back to the same thing being said about Bernie?
User 463088
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Ya, that would have been the smart thing to do, but he just had to keep going. There's blowback on Twitter about it. It was what MSNBC was talking about immediately. That and how Bernie didn't vote for the auto bailout. In Michigan.
And Bernie can't win anything that's not a caucus. And, I never knew Iowa, Mass and Nevada were in the south.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Having not followed any live reactions to the debate or anything, I don't think this debate moves the needle much. They both more or less hammered home the points they always do. Bernie had a weird gaffe saying "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" but in context I think it's easy to see what he was getting at. Overall, I don't think this changes anything. I think tomorrow's townhall with fox news will be more interesting actually.
VendettaRed07
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Hillary is a regional candidate in that she wins all the regions with any sort of diversity
darkside31337
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Ugh this shit is the worst. Not only is it disingenuous and factually incorrect, insulting people who take part in the process and support your party because they live in those states you got destroyed in is just a terrible look. I expect this crap from his supporters not his actual damn staff.
'Our voters are better' - always the losing candidate.
brainchild
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Of course Weaver said this. OF COURSE!!
RustyNails
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Holy shit Nixon was a total bumblefuck lol
ugaboga232
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Imagine if sanders had competent staff :\
brainchild
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Weaver has always been shitty and probably always will be. He's a filthy stain on Bernie's campaign.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah but she struggled to win there, therefore Bernie actually won!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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One of the reasons that Trump has dominated so much is that everyone other than Cruz and McConnell is terrible at this on the Republican side.
If the GOPe is really advertising that "Rubio is a neocon, vote for him!", then they have been trapped inside a bubble so strong that they will never escape.
Officerrob
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Weaver is fucking awful, it's a major strike against Bernie that he continues to employ him
Bernie himself wouldn't.
But Weaver. Oh, I expect that from Weaver. 100%
VendettaRed07
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Nixon created Trump
I've seen way too many Bernie supporters try this crap by saying "Hillary is only winning the red states."
Ignoring when Bernie wins Oklahoma or Kansas.
User 463088
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Someone should also let Weaver know Bernie hasn't won a state that's not at least 83% white.
BoboBrazil
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ugaboga232
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What was the context? And what kind of politician thinks there is a smarter policy advocated by their enemy?
nocturnalis
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I don't agree with you all the time, but I will note how you've said the Weaver and Davine would wreck Bernie's campaign numerous times this past wee or so.
was.
User 463088
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His answer was "I know we're going to win here because you're smart." Which he said after getting blown the hell out in SC. The context was fine, but it was a stupid thing to say. It was in response to people knowing his average donation is $27.00
RustyNails
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God I want to punch Buchanan. Why is he on my screen!!!
ugaboga232
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Oh that is pretty crappy of him, he seems pretty gaffe prone and I totally get what he means but maybe being old isn't the best for the ol noggin (spoiler our brains peak around 25
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VendettaRed07
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Looooolllll
cartoon_soldier
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How was the debate?
I believe that was also on top of him not even bothering to thank his supporters and those that voted for him in South Carolina. He might have sent out a text I think but nothing when he held his rally that night. He just ignored what happen for the most part when he was speaking. Everything just didn't look good.
Coriolanus
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Oh that is pretty crappy of him, he seems pretty gaffe prone and I totally get what he means but maybe being old isn't the best for the ol noggin (spoiler our brains peak around 25
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